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Sun May 15, 2011 10:23 pmby Ryadn
Ceannairceach wrote:Michael VII wrote:Well no, I didn't see what you did there. Please explain. But, yeah you had a choice, you ain't born gay, but everyone has urges like that, its whether you act on them or not...
No, it isn't a choice; you are born, usually, sexually neutral, and then develop your orientation naturally. What you are spouting is idiotic ignorance.
Interestingly, the poster doesn't believe you're born gay, but does believe everyone's born with a certain amount of interest in sex with their own gender. Weird.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:23 pmby Xarithis
The Truth and Light wrote:Can people decide to be something different, can accidental changes happen?
I don't think you can "decide" to change sexuality. I couldn't "decide" to like men anymore than I can "decide" to love a food that I can't stand the taste of.
It may be possible for "accidental" subconscious/developmental changes to occur, however. I can see that happening. That food that I currently can't stand might not taste so bad in the future, and that would have taken no conscious effort on my part.
I should probably be worried that the first thing I thought to compare people with was food.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:24 pmby Norstal
Michael VII wrote:Nightkill the Emperor wrote:It's a fallacy (See what I did there?) that being gay is a choice.
Well no, I didn't see what you did there. Please explain. But, yeah you had a choice, you ain't born gay, but everyone has urges like that, its whether you act on them or not...
I'm born hetero and I can never, ever get into homosexuality or bisexuality. I can maybe try my hands on transgenderism (I do feel like a woman trapped in a man's body), but no way can I ever, ever get into homosexuality. Ever.
Same goes for homosexuals with hetero. Or bis with heteros. Etc.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:24 pmby Rampant Elitism
I'm sorry if this has already been shared, but this immediately came to mind when I saw this thread title.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar5iKag-6I8
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:24 pmby Ceannairceach
Ryadn wrote:Ceannairceach wrote: No, it isn't a choice; you are born, usually, sexually neutral, and then develop your orientation naturally. What you are spouting is idiotic ignorance.
Interestingly, the poster doesn't believe you're born gay, but does believe everyone's born with a certain amount of interest in sex with their own gender. Weird.
Makes me wonder if he has those urges as well, and if we asked, if he would say "Oh, I don't, but everyone else does".
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:25 pmby Norstal
Xarithis wrote:The Truth and Light wrote:Can people decide to be something different, can accidental changes happen?
I don't think you can "decide" to change sexuality. I couldn't "decide" to like men anymore than I can "decide" to love a food that I can't stand the taste of.
It may be possible for "accidental" subconscious/developmental changes to occur, however. I can see that happening. That food that I currently can't stand might not taste so bad in the future, and that would have taken no conscious effort on my part.
I should probably be worried that the first thing I thought to compare people with was food.
Depends. Were you thinking of tacos or sausages?
Posted:
Sun May 15, 2011 10:27 pmby Wikipedia and Universe
No, though they can experiment to discover their sexuality. Do not confuse the two.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:27 pmby Indeos
Norstal wrote:Xarithis wrote:I don't think you can "decide" to change sexuality. I couldn't "decide" to like men anymore than I can "decide" to love a food that I can't stand the taste of.
It may be possible for "accidental" subconscious/developmental changes to occur, however. I can see that happening. That food that I currently can't stand might not taste so bad in the future, and that would have taken no conscious effort on my part.
I should probably be worried that the first thing I thought to compare people with was food.
Depends. Were you thinking of tacos or sausages?
Is there a way to have both?
I already responded, but I'll find what Unhealthy2 replied to me with so I can stay on-topic.
Unhealthy2 wrote:Indeos wrote:Theoretically, sexuality is fluid enough to allow pretty much anything like that.
Yeah, I imagine it's probably a rare event, and I don't imagine that it happens through any sort of deliberate "choice" on the part of the individual, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened once or twice. As weird as humans can be, I'm often more surprised that something weird NEVER happens than that it does.
I think conscious choice could have an effect, but I doubt it could ever be the sole cause. Of course, the human mind seems to be largely a crap shoot, so these are barely-educated guesses.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:30 pmby Ryadn
The Kangaroo Republic wrote:Personally, I believe that this is a thing that may occur during puberty. It's a period of uncertainty as the body of the young child will start to develop into that of an adult. It's during this period that people will usually come to realize what their sexuality is. I mean, I myself, a 16 year old adolescent douche, am so far experiencing a lot of uncertainty regarding my own sexuality.
Before that I just plainly regarded myself as heterosexual, heck, I even had a girlfriend once, although that's just the kind of girlfriend most people have when they are ten, nothing serious, just lots of kissing and classmates mocking you by singing how you two are kissing in a tree, etc. But now, I am not even certain anymore whether I am heterosexual. It's simply because of all the changes people experience during puberty.
With this, at least the entire thing of changing sexuality during puberty can be explained fairly logically. And of course, some people may even change their sexuality over some time even later in their life, much like music preferences or food preferences can change, sexuality can change during adulthood too. Although this is usually a long and gradual process.
I think hormones clarify a lot of things (and confuse even more things, probably). Before puberty, I never considered whether or not I was straight, I just assumed I was, even though I grew up in a totally liberal household and grew up around gay people. I had the same kinds of feelings for boys and girls, I guess, but because there was no sexual interest behind those feelings at that age I interpreted them differently--I figured my feelings for guys were "crushes" and my feelings for girls were "friendship/envy". Then hormones kicked in and I realized those feelings weren't really very different at all.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:30 pmby Xarithis
Norstal wrote:Xarithis wrote:I should probably be worried that the first thing I thought to compare people with was food.
Depends. Were you thinking of tacos or sausages?
Fried Tarantula was what I was thinking of, oddly enough. I can only imagine what that means.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:31 pmby Unhealthy2
Indeos wrote:I think conscious choice could have an effect, but I doubt it could ever be the sole cause. Of course, the human mind seems to be largely a crap shoot, so these are barely-educated guesses.
You could consciously choose to watch gay porn all the time, meditate on cocksucking, etc. I'm not sure that would really turn you gay though.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:34 pmby Magyar Lulz
No when I first saw this thread this video came to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN6Du3MCgI
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:35 pmby Indeos
Unhealthy2 wrote:Indeos wrote:I think conscious choice could have an effect, but I doubt it could ever be the sole cause. Of course, the human mind seems to be largely a crap shoot, so these are barely-educated guesses.
You could consciously choose to watch gay porn all the time, meditate on cocksucking, etc. I'm not sure that would really turn you gay though.
Well, consciously choosing to encourage or suppress existing urges can change them. I'm bi now, but I suppressed the homosexual urges when they began and they weren't very strong. Once I started being okay with it mentally, they got stronger.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:36 pmby Michael VII
No, bro, you are not born neutral, or gay. You choose your paths, everyone is born hetero and attracted to the opposite gender! I am not gay, however I have occasionally felt so called "urges" to be with guys. As usual, I am straighter than straight, but have occasionally kind of 'dreamed' per se about the idea. Doesn't make me gay or bi, just a straight guy that doesn't always know what goes through his mind.
Later players, I have got some gaming long overdue to catch up one! (PSN Network is back!)
To Nightkill the Emperor of course.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:36 pmby Nightkill the Emperor
Michael VII wrote:No, bro, you are not born neutral, or gay. You choose your paths, everyone is born hetero and attracted to the opposite gender! I am not gay, however I have occasionally felt so called "urges" to be with guys. As usual, I am straighter than straight, but have occasionally kind of 'dreamed' per se about the idea. Doesn't make me gay or bi, just a straight guy that doesn't always know what goes through his mind.
Later players, I have got some gaming long overdue to catch up one! (PSN Network is back!)
Who said everyone is born hetero?
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:37 pmby Norstal
Michael VII wrote:No, bro, you are not born neutral, or gay. You choose your paths, everyone is born hetero and attracted to the opposite gender! I am not gay, however I have occasionally felt so called "urges" to be with guys. As usual, I am straighter than straight, but have occasionally kind of 'dreamed' per se about the idea. Doesn't make me gay or bi, just a straight guy that doesn't always know what goes through his mind.
Later players, I have got some gaming long overdue to catch up one! (PSN Network is back!)
Is that why boys avoid playing with girls because girls have cooties and girls have sleepover with each other?
I mean, that sounds pretty homosexual to me.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:38 pmby Michael VII
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Michael VII wrote:No, bro, you are not born neutral, or gay. You choose your paths, everyone is born hetero and attracted to the opposite gender! I am not gay, however I have occasionally felt so called "urges" to be with guys. As usual, I am straighter than straight, but have occasionally kind of 'dreamed' per se about the idea. Doesn't make me gay or bi, just a straight guy that doesn't always know what goes through his mind.
Later players, I have got some gaming long overdue to catch up one! (PSN Network is back!)
Who said everyone is born hetero?
Hmm, maybe because heteroism is natural. And also the only way to procreate, everyone is born hetero, but some people decide that they are gay.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:38 pmby Gilthador
One is asexual until puberty, so yes.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:39 pmby Norstal
Michael VII wrote:Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Who said everyone is born hetero?
Hmm, maybe because heteroism is natural. And also the only way to procreate, everyone is born hetero, but some people decide that they are gay.
Asexuality is more natural than sexuality.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:40 pmby Indeos
Michael VII wrote:Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Who said everyone is born hetero?
Hmm, maybe because heteroism is natural. And also the only way to procreate, everyone is born hetero, but some people decide that they are gay.
You're gonna have to find a legitimate source that says homosexuality isn't natural, especially given that there are multiple other animals that engage in homosexual behavior.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:42 pmby Michael VII
Gilthador wrote:One is asexual until puberty, so yes.
No, you're not asexual. I dunno about you, but I was hetero for as long as I have known what girls are! Thats just me of course, but I didn't wait until puberty to know that I liked girls over guys!
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:44 pmby Norstal
Michael VII wrote:Gilthador wrote:One is asexual until puberty, so yes.
No, you're not asexual. I dunno about you, but I was hetero for as long as I have known what girls are! Thats just me of course, but I didn't wait until puberty to know that I liked girls over guys!
I can't imagine children having sex.
The hentai guys in Japan said it's romantic, but I have my doubts...
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:46 pmby Michael VII
Norstal wrote:Michael VII wrote:No, bro, you are not born neutral, or gay. You choose your paths, everyone is born hetero and attracted to the opposite gender! I am not gay, however I have occasionally felt so called "urges" to be with guys. As usual, I am straighter than straight, but have occasionally kind of 'dreamed' per se about the idea. Doesn't make me gay or bi, just a straight guy that doesn't always know what goes through his mind.
Later players, I have got some gaming long overdue to catch up one! (PSN Network is back!)
Is that why boys avoid playing with girls because girls have cooties and girls have sleepover with each other?
I mean, that sounds pretty homosexual to me.
No, that sounds socially normal to me. Most guys, will feel more comfortable hanging out with and associating with other guys, but still want to sleep with girls all they want. Girls can talk easier about their feelings to other girls, guys about girls, cars and sports with other guys...However, I was different because I have never been truly comfortable around guys because I have never been liked around guys and felt more comfortable around girls. Sounds gay when you hear stories about more feminine guys, but I KNOW that I am attracted to and wish to procreate with chicks instead of guys! (Of course you can't procreate with other guys, unless you're a chick, but you get the idea!)
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:47 pmby Michael VII
Norstal wrote:Michael VII wrote:No, you're not asexual. I dunno about you, but I was hetero for as long as I have known what girls are! Thats just me of course, but I didn't wait until puberty to know that I liked girls over guys!
I can't imagine children having sex.
The hentai guys in Japan said it's romantic, but I have my doubts...
Who says you have to have sex to prove that you're heterosexual. According to your logic I am still asexual because I am a virgin, but I am still heterosexual.
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Sun May 15, 2011 10:47 pmby Magyar Lulz
Gilthador wrote:One is asexual until puberty, so yes.
I did not start noticing wimminz until 12 or 13 so I would have to agree with you, people are asexual until they hit puberty generally.
Their are some people that remain asexual their entire lives:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual