Offensive Flags Debate

[The Imperial Shard]

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Well, you can deal with it. It's Max Barry's site, so it's his rules.

Then why are we having this argument in the first place?

[Il-Maltin Imperu]

I think as long as they aren't used in an offensive way, everything should be fine.

Yes, swastikas are offensive, but if someone is using one only to show fascism as a form of government, it should be fine.
Same with Hammer and Sickle. It can be offensive, but if it is only used to show communism, then it should be fine.

[-The West Coast-]

"All symbols should be 100% free to use, regardless of connotation."

This is a free world, past has past, and everything must not be taken with meanings and definitions. Like a dog pooping, is that something we must be offended of? It's nature and we can't contradict it.

This is a private site. The "free world" doesn't really apply here.

[Denecaep]

Seriously, if we are going to ban ANYTHING that might have a negative connotation to ANYONE...

We'll be banning...

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All kidding aside, anything will always offend SOMEONE.

I am a member with the Capitalist Federation of Welch's Juice, and I'm offended.

Honestly though, you never know. What if someone's grandpa's cousin's dog was killed in Jonestown? Therefore, Kool-aid is an offensive symbol? These things will get ridiculous if we go on like this. I think it is reasonable to ban the swastika because of agreed connotation, but no further.

[-The West Coast-]

Well, you can deal with it. It's Max Barry's site, so it's his rules.

Then why are we having this argument in the first place?

Because people can't grasp that if it's against the site rules it's against the site rules.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Unlike the swastika, the hammer and sickle isn't banned in Germany and Austria. Derp.

[Esoterias]

Next, they'll be banning satanic symbols.

[The Imperial Shard]

Then why are we having this argument in the first place?

Because people can't grasp that if it's against the site rules it's against the site rules.

Spare me, father, I hadn't the faintest idea.

[Neo Arcad]

Then why are we having this argument in the first place?

Because people can't grasp that if it's against the site rules it's against the site rules.

You keep missing the point. I realize we won't be changing anything. I'm not trying to get the rules amended. I just want to know what other people think. If you can't understand that, and you continue to claim otherwise, I may have to ask you kindly to not post here anymore.

[-The West Coast-]

Because people can't grasp that if it's against the site rules it's against the site rules.

Spare me, father, I hadn't the faintest idea.

>_>

There is no thread ownership in General, Neo-Arcad.

[FreeLaannds]

As a Orthodox Stalinist (I follow Stalin's Form of Communism strictly) I believe that the Swastika Should not be banned, nor should the hammer and sickle IF you actually follow the politics. In other words: if you do not really support the Nazi Regime do not make a mock nation using a swasitka flag. But if you do: Then who is to say "we don't allow you to show your real politics, because someone may be offended". The same goes for Communism.
People get offended because I support a gulag system, I support The Leader Stalin, people get offended because I believe the USSR during stalin was the best country around - and all I have to say is: Get over yourself. We are all human beings, we are different. Someone of us have different beliefs, and limiting those beliefs is a horrible thing. Allow people to show who they are!

Wait, so I I really don't want to bring back The Roman Empire, having the society split into Plebs and Patricians, I can't have the symbol of the SPQR?

And Someone who doesn't want to bring back the CSA, but thinks its interesting enough to R.P it, can't do so?

Seems stupid to me.

No, no. I was referring to The Swastika and Hammer in Sickle in specific, others I am fine with in Role Playing

[Choseon-Goryeo]

This is a hard thing to say... For some, like my father, the swastika is a symbol of peace and unity (buddhism), for others it is a symbol of hate and violence (Nazism). Same goes for the Hammer and Sickle - some view it as just a symbol of Communism, others view it as a symbol of violence and hate.
I think all symbols should be allowed - simply because people will be offended by mostly anything!
For Example: A Jucheist may be offended by my flag because it is the old Imperial Korean Flag: Does that mean I should not use it? Of course not.

Alas, it would nice if they were JUST offended, but they are not. They tend to start to target said nations using a swastika.

And it would be nice if all nations using one JUST were RPing, but that too was not the case. We had many actual Neo-Nazis using them to harass other nations/regions not to mention try to use NS to recruit.

I did not take that into account. Now that this has been told to me, I understand the ban on them, and I support the ban on them.

[Sparks gonna fly]

When it comes down to it, what we think doesn't matter. The MODS will do whatever they want regardless of how unfair it is.

[Germanic Mars]

I don't see a problem with Swastikas being banned on flags. Sure I play a Nazi nation and I do use swastikas on the forum, but as you can see, my flag now is good enough.

[Esoterias]

When it comes down to it, what we think doesn't matter. The MODS will do whatever they want regardless of how unfair it is.

And so, the Forum crowned it's kings and queens. Amen.

[Underium]

Personally I think the Swastika being banned is completely ridiculous! (Before you say anything I was born in Europe, and my grandfather went to one of the concentration camps!) Read up on your history people. Look up "Japanese Internment Camps." Until the later part of the war they were pretty much concentration camps, also a concentration camp is not a death camp! And since we had these J.I.C. And many Japanese were damaged, and died due to this, does that mean the U.S. Flag should be banned also?

I say let the Swastika and the hammer and sickle, and anything else on flags.

[Pretty Awesome Persons]

Some people would like to RP or state that they are communist and what better way than to use a symbol we all know, the hammer and sickle?
Should we ban monetary symbols or anything else that proclaims an ideology because someone fonds it offensive?
I didn't think so.

[Farnhamia]

When it comes down to it, what we think doesn't matter. The MODS will do whatever they want regardless of how unfair it is.

And so, the Forum crowned it's kings and queens. Amen.

So far from the truth that you can't even see the truth from where you are. Both of you.

[Neo Arcad]

Spare me, father, I hadn't the faintest idea.

>_>

There is no thread ownership in General, Neo-Arcad.

Doesn't mean I can't ask you nicely to leave.

[Magyar Lulz]

The Soviet Union didn't round up and attempt to completely wipe out an entire ethnicity of people, nor were they bent on doing the same for anyone who was different than their "ideal".

Nice try, though.

Volga Germans, Crimean Tatars, and a whole boatload of other peoplewould disagree.

Let's start with those germans. They killed a shitload of my people (the hungarians), and my dad's family was living in Yugoslavia at the time (they lived in a small mountain town so no one bothered them). So don't you think I could go down the same slippery slope and say that we should ban any German flag (even the modern day flag) or display of german pride?

[Esoterias]

Personally I think the Swastika being banned is completely ridiculous! (Before you say anything I was born in Europe, and my grandfather went to one of the concentration camps!) Read up on your history people. Look up "Japanese Internment Camps." Until the later part of the war they were pretty much concentration camps, also a concentration camp is not a death camp! And since we had these J.I.C. And many Japanese were damaged, and died due to this, does that mean the U.S. Flag should be banned also?

I say let the Swastika and the hammer and sickle, and anything else on flags.

So, you're saying I should be able to upload myself waving a Nazi flag, holding up the middle finger, while taking a shit, and have my motto saying "death to Jews"?

[-The West Coast-]

>_>

There is no thread ownership in General, Neo-Arcad.

Doesn't mean I can't ask you nicely to leave.

And then I would tell you nicely 'no'.

Let's get back on topic, shall we?

[Esoterias]

And so, the Forum crowned it's kings and queens. Amen.

So far from the truth that you can't even see the truth from where you are. Both of you.

I was joking.

[Namri-Lontson]

Being a Fascist, and a Quasi-National Socialist (I do not support the Mass-Genocide and Racist Aspects of the National Socialist Movement. I do support the Economic and Political) I understand the ban on the Swastika. It is a symbol of Hate, even to me. I wanted to use it, to show what politics I support in real life, but I am fine with out it (My flag, however, is lacking... I can't find something else to put into it LOL!)

[Imperium Neo Roma]

Personally I think the Swastika being banned is completely ridiculous! (Before you say anything I was born in Europe, and my grandfather went to one of the concentration camps!) Read up on your history people. Look up "Japanese Internment Camps." Until the later part of the war they were pretty much concentration camps, also a concentration camp is not a death camp! And since we had these J.I.C. And many Japanese were damaged, and died due to this, does that mean the U.S. Flag should be banned also?

I say let the Swastika and the hammer and sickle, and anything else on flags.

The Swastika was used only by Nazi Germany, which lasted for only a short amount of time. The Flag of Japan and The U.S have lasted for a long, long time, and there are many good things that out weigh that bad things that happened under these flags, the same thing cannot be said for Nazi Germany.