Offensive Flags Debate

[Goldsaver]

Columbus thought he landed in the Indies. That's why Native Americans are incorrectly called "Indians".

I've met Native Americans who call them selves Indians.

It's still incorrect.

In fact, they consider the term "Native American" to be offensive...

Now that's just silly.

[New Embossia]

The hammer and sickle should absolutely NOT be regarded as the same as the swastika. The swastika represents a political ideology that encourages mass killing. Communism is NOTHING about killing people. It has been misinterpreted by one person, which seems to have ruined the entire conception of the ideology. If we're going by body count, the US has committed its fair share of genocides and racism.

The Soviet Union didn't commit Stalin's Purges, I'm sorry that over 1 million were killed by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Sorry.

[Neo Arcad]

The hammer and sickle should absolutely NOT be regarded as the same as the swastika. The swastika represents a political ideology that encourages mass killing. Communism is NOTHING about killing people. It has been misinterpreted by one person, which seems to have ruined the entire conception of the ideology. If we're going by body count, the US has committed its fair share of genocides and racism.

The Soviet Union didn't commit Stalin's Purges, I'm sorry that over 1 million were killed by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Sorry.

The Jainists/Buddhists/Hindus didn't commit Hitler's Holocaust, I'm sorry that over 1 million (which is 1/20 of what Stalin killed, and 1/6 of what Hitler killed BTW) were killed by the Nazi Party of Germany. Sorry.

[Potarius]

The Soviet Union didn't commit Stalin's Purges, I'm sorry that over 1 million were killed by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Sorry.

The Jainists/Buddhists/Hindus didn't commit Hitler's Holocaust, I'm sorry that over 1 million (which is 1/20 of what Stalin killed, and 1/6 of what Hitler killed BTW) were killed by the Nazi Party of Germany. Sorry.

Try over ten fucking million in the Holocaust alone, and almost 30,000,000 Soviets at the hands of the Wehrmacht and SS. That's not even counting the other peoples who were killed by Hitler's regime in their war of expansion.

The fuck are you smoking?

[Katganistan]

This is a free world

What color is the sky in that free world?

[Potarius]

This is a free world

What color is the sky in that free world?

Bacon.

[Yuktova]

The Soviet Union didn't round up and attempt to completely wipe out an entire ethnicity of people, nor were they bent on doing the same for anyone who was different than their "ideal".

Nice try, though.

It was a nice try, I don't think he will give up until he has destroyed the Kremlin though!

[Esoterias]

AKA Indians.

Which is incorrect.

Indians come from India

Native Americans come from, you guessed it, America.

I have no idea how Indians came to be mixed with Native Americans.

When Chris Columbus came over here, he thought he reached India.

[Lackadaisical2]

I've met Native Americans who call them selves Indians.

It's still incorrect.

Not much more incorrect than saying 'Native American', its not like they called themselves that before English speaking peoples arrived.

[New Embossia]

The Soviet Union didn't commit Stalin's Purges, I'm sorry that over 1 million were killed by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Sorry.

The Jainists/Buddhists/Hindus didn't commit Hitler's Holocaust, I'm sorry that over 1 million (which is 1/20 of what Stalin killed, and 1/6 of what Hitler killed BTW) were killed by the Nazi Party of Germany. Sorry.

(I believe 6 million would be correct.)

I'm just saying that not only is the Swastika offensive to some groups, the hammer & sickle is offensive to others.

[Potarius]

The Soviet Union didn't round up and attempt to completely wipe out an entire ethnicity of people, nor were they bent on doing the same for anyone who was different than their "ideal".

Nice try, though.

It was a nice try, I don't think he will give up until he has destroyed the Kremlin though!

Vladimir Putin is a pretty tough end-boss.

[New Embossia]

The Soviet Union didn't commit Stalin's Purges, I'm sorry that over 1 million were killed by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Sorry.

The Jainists/Buddhists/Hindus didn't commit Hitler's Holocaust, I'm sorry that over 1 million (which is 1/20 of what Stalin killed, and 1/6 of what Hitler killed BTW) were killed by the Nazi Party of Germany. Sorry.

(I believe 6 million would be correct.)

I'm just saying that not only is the Swastika offensive to some groups, the hammer & sickle is offensive to others.

[Yuktova]

Hey I got a question, if Hammer & Sickles were banned for a stupid reason, would my flag come into question? Just curious.

[Potarius]

Hey I got a question, if Hammer & Sickles were banned for a stupid reason, would my flag come into question? Just curious.

It's a deer!

[Katganistan]

>_>

There is no thread ownership in General, Neo-Arcad.

Doesn't mean I can't ask you nicely to leave.

Yes, it rather does.

[Esoterias]

I hope the H&S don't get banned. I really like this flag I have.

[Neo Arcad]

The Jainists/Buddhists/Hindus didn't commit Hitler's Holocaust, I'm sorry that over 1 million (which is 1/20 of what Stalin killed, and 1/6 of what Hitler killed BTW) were killed by the Nazi Party of Germany. Sorry.

Try over ten fucking million in the Holocaust alone, and almost 30,000,000 Soviets at the hands of the Wehrmacht and SS. That's not even counting the other peoples who were killed by Hitler's regime in their war of expansion.

The fuck are you smoking?

I want a sauce on your numbers. You're clearly a lot higher than I am, both statistics-wise and drugs-wise.
Now calm down and start being more civil, if you please.

[Lackadaisical2]

Hey I got a question, if Hammer & Sickles were banned for a stupid reason, would my flag come into question? Just curious.

It's a deer!

And deer kill more people than any other animal in America, they're responsible for Genocide against Americans.

[Yuktova]

Hey I got a question, if Hammer & Sickles were banned for a stupid reason, would my flag come into question? Just curious.

It's a deer!

Well, yes it is. But it also has the colors red & gold/yellow. I don't think it would be banned if Hammers & Sickles were not allowed.

[Neo Arcad]

Doesn't mean I can't ask you nicely to leave.

Yes, it rather does.

What if he's being disrputive to the debate? Can't I ask him nicely rather than report him? I know he wasn't, but if he had become rowdier...

[Potarius]

Try over ten fucking million in the Holocaust alone, and almost 30,000,000 Soviets at the hands of the Wehrmacht and SS. That's not even counting the other peoples who were killed by Hitler's regime in their war of expansion.

The fuck are you smoking?

I want a sauce on your numbers. You're clearly a lot higher than I am, both statistics-wise and drugs-wise.
Now calm down and start being more civil, if you please.

The official number stands at just over 27,000,000 people killed (civilian and military combined) in WWII in the Soviet Union by the Nazis. Thousands of towns and villages were burnt to the ground.

[-The West Coast-]

Columbus thought he landed in the Indies. That's why Native Americans are incorrectly called "Indians".

I've met Native Americans who call them selves Indians. In fact, they consider the term "Native American" to be offensive...

That's sad. They've been corrupted by racial stereotyping. Anyway, let them be called whatever they like, however wrong it may be.

[The Imperial Shard]

The Jainists/Buddhists/Hindus didn't commit Hitler's Holocaust, I'm sorry that over 1 million (which is 1/20 of what Stalin killed, and 1/6 of what Hitler killed BTW) were killed by the Nazi Party of Germany. Sorry.

Try over ten fucking million in the Holocaust alone, and almost 30,000,000 Soviets at the hands of the Wehrmacht and SS. That's not even counting the other peoples who were killed by Hitler's regime in their war of expansion.

The fuck are you smoking?

And? The Soviets killed far more than that. Far, far more.

[Dododecapod]

AKA Indians.

Which is incorrect.

Indians come from India

Native Americans come from, you guessed it, America.

I have no idea how Indians came to be mixed with Native Americans.

Goes back to Columbus. He and his men thought they had found a way around to the Indies, thus "indians". It stuck. Some people prefer it, others loathe it.

[Potarius]

Try over ten fucking million in the Holocaust alone, and almost 30,000,000 Soviets at the hands of the Wehrmacht and SS. That's not even counting the other peoples who were killed by Hitler's regime in their war of expansion.

The fuck are you smoking?

And? The Soviets killed far more than that. Far, far more.

Uh, no, they didn't.

You know, it doesn't matter how many times I go through this, but people always seem to side with the Nazis for some reason. Yes, arguing over who killed more isn't the greatest way to pass time, but the cold reality is that the Nazis were responsible for more deaths than the Soviets.

The Holodomor at highest estimates stands at less than 13,000,000. Stalin's purges amount to 2 million at the highest estimates. GULag casualties amount to about 1 million. Lenin's famine amounts to around 5 million. 21,000,000 rough estimate. That's still less than 27,000,000 killed in the name of cleansing the world of the "untermensch", not even counting the millions killed in the Holocaust.

Now, unless you people are lumping Mao and Pol Pot together with the Soviets, there's a big discrepancy there... Oh, and by the way, the Wikipedia article(s) on this subject are extensively sourced, so be my guest to look for yourselves.