Offensive Flags Debate

[Farnhamia]

So far from the truth that you can't even see the truth from where you are. Both of you.

I was joking.

Then it's good joke writing you're far away from.

[Underium]

Personally I think the Swastika being banned is completely ridiculous! (Before you say anything I was born in Europe, and my grandfather went to one of the concentration camps!) Read up on your history people. Look up "Japanese Internment Camps." Until the later part of the war they were pretty much concentration camps, also a concentration camp is not a death camp! And since we had these J.I.C. And many Japanese were damaged, and died due to this, does that mean the U.S. Flag should be banned also?

I say let the Swastika and the hammer and sickle, and anything else on flags.

So, you're saying I should be able to upload myself waving a Nazi flag, holding up the middle finger, while taking a shit, and have my motto saying "death to Jews"?

I think you should not take things to the extreme, go ahead put up a Nazi flag i say, i also say middle finger hell ya. But saying "Death to the jews" Is directly racist. The swastika actually means good fortune, and utopia, read it up. Before Hitler got to it.

[The Imperial Shard]

Personally I think the Swastika being banned is completely ridiculous! (Before you say anything I was born in Europe, and my grandfather went to one of the concentration camps!) Read up on your history people. Look up "Japanese Internment Camps." Until the later part of the war they were pretty much concentration camps, also a concentration camp is not a death camp! And since we had these J.I.C. And many Japanese were damaged, and died due to this, does that mean the U.S. Flag should be banned also?

I say let the Swastika and the hammer and sickle, and anything else on flags.

So, you're saying I should be able to upload myself waving a Nazi flag, holding up the middle finger, while taking a shit, and have my motto saying "death to Jews"?

[Neo Arcad]

Volga Germans, Crimean Tatars, and a whole boatload of other peoplewould disagree.

Let's start with those germans. They killed a shitload of my people (the hungarians), and my dad's family was living in Yugoslavia at the time (they lived in a small mountain town so no one bothered them). So don't you think I could go down the same slippery slope and say that we should ban any German flag (even the modern day flag) or display of german pride?

I would prefer not to be called "those Germans". I've never killed a Hungarian in my life, so just because I'm German, you'd have me prohibited from showing national pride? That's the kind of attitude that leads to genocide.

[Esoterias]

So, you're saying I should be able to upload myself waving a Nazi flag, holding up the middle finger, while taking a shit, and have my motto saying "death to Jews"?

I think you should not take things to the extreme, go ahead put up a Nazi flag i say, i also say middle finger hell ya. But saying "Death to the jews" Is directly racist. The swastika actually means good fortune, and utopia, read it up. Before Hitler got to it.

That was the point. I was trying to give an extremist point of view.

[-The West Coast-]

So, you're saying I should be able to upload myself waving a Nazi flag, holding up the middle finger, while taking a shit, and have my motto saying "death to Jews"?

I think you should not take things to the extreme, go ahead put up a Nazi flag i say, i also say middle finger hell ya. But saying "Death to the jews" Is directly racist. The swastika actually means good fortune, and utopia, read it up. Before Hitler got to it.

And the Bellamy Salute used to be used as a salute to the American flag before Hitler got a hold of it. Now both the Swastika and the Bellamy Salute are considered "Nazi symbols".

[Magyar Lulz]

Volga Germans, Crimean Tatars, and a whole boatload of other peoplewould disagree.

Let's start with those germans. They killed a shitload of my people (the hungarians), and my dad's family was living in Yugoslavia at the time (they lived in a small mountain town so no one bothered them). So don't you think I could go down the same slippery slope and say that we should ban any German flag (even the modern day flag) or display of german pride?

We should not though, because as long as it is not an ideology that explicitely promotes killing people we should allow people to express their ideologys. No where in the Communist Manifesto does it promote mass genocide (I am not a communist btw).

[The Imperial Shard]

Let's start with those germans. They killed a shitload of my people (the hungarians), and my dad's family was living in Yugoslavia at the time (they lived in a small mountain town so no one bothered them). So don't you think I could go down the same slippery slope and say that we should ban any German flag (even the modern day flag) or display of german pride?

We should not though, because as long as it is not an ideology that explicitely promotes killing people we should allow people to express their ideologys. No where in the Communist Manifesto does it promote mass genocide (I am not a communist btw).

Didn't stop Stalin and Lenin.

Sure, it wasn't a genocide, but it sure wasn't far from. They merely included a greater amount of guests to the gulag party up in beautiful Siberia.

[Dododecapod]

THe only thing I can contribute is the point that no one has the right to not be offended.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

So, you're saying I should be able to upload myself waving a Nazi flag, holding up the middle finger, while taking a shit, and have my motto saying "death to Jews"?

I think you should not take things to the extreme, go ahead put up a Nazi flag i say, i also say middle finger hell ya. But saying "Death to the jews" Is directly racist. The swastika actually means good fortune, and utopia, read it up. Before Hitler got to it.

The point is that it is outlawed in countries meaning that either the swastika goes, or everyone from those countries goes.

[Namri-Lontson]

I think you should not take things to the extreme, go ahead put up a Nazi flag i say, i also say middle finger hell ya. But saying "Death to the jews" Is directly racist. The swastika actually means good fortune, and utopia, read it up. Before Hitler got to it.

And the Bellamy Salute used to be used as a salute to the American flag before Hitler got a hold of it. Now both the Swastika and the Bellamy Salute are considered "Nazi symbols".

The Nazi Salute is called a Roman Salute, because it was the same way Roman Soldiers saluted each other. The Bellamy Salute is VERY similar, yes, but it is slightly different (and I mean slightly; the way you raise your hand is the key difference to be honest). Because the Roman Salute and the Bellamy Salute are so close, it was ended in the US during the pledge, but they are not the same.

Sorry, wanted to correct the slight misinformation here.

[Meryuma]

Unlike the swastika, the hammer and sickle isn't banned in Germany and Austria. Derp.

It's banned in some other places.

[-The West Coast-]

And the Bellamy Salute used to be used as a salute to the American flag before Hitler got a hold of it. Now both the Swastika and the Bellamy Salute are considered "Nazi symbols".

The Nazi Salute is called a Roman Salute, because it was the same way Roman Soldiers saluted each other. The Bellamy Salute is VERY similar, yes, but it is slightly different (and I mean slightly; the way you raise your hand is the key difference to be honest). Because the Roman Salute and the Bellamy Salute are so close, it was ended in the US during the pledge, but they are not the same.

Sorry, wanted to correct the slight misinformation here.

Hardly.

[Greed and Death]

"All symbols should be 100% free to use, regardless of connotation."

This is a free world, past has past, and everything must not be taken with meanings and definitions. Like a dog pooping, is that something we must be offended of? It's nature and we can't contradict it.

They are 100% free to use on your own property, this server is not yours, it is Max's. You want to host a forum with nazi flags shell out the money and get the server space.

[Lackadaisical2]

If you count the Indian killings of that era.....So yeah

We never killed Indians. We killed Native Americans.

AKA Indians.

[-The West Coast-]

We never killed Indians. We killed Native Americans.

AKA Indians.

Indians are from India. Native Americans are from America.

[Imperium Neo Roma]

We never killed Indians. We killed Native Americans.

AKA Indians.

Which is incorrect.

Indians come from India

Native Americans come from, you guessed it, America.

I have no idea how Indians came to be mixed with Native Americans.

[Solis Fulgura]

So, you're saying I should be able to upload myself waving a Nazi flag, holding up the middle finger, while taking a shit, and have my motto saying "death to Jews"?

I think you should not take things to the extreme, go ahead put up a Nazi flag i say, i also say middle finger hell ya. But saying "Death to the jews" Is directly racist. The swastika actually means good fortune, and utopia, read it up. Before Hitler got to it.

In fact, the symbol is still used on Japanese temples. It has called a manji and is on its side instead of diagonally aligned. They have been using this symbol since long before the Nazi party used it.

[-The West Coast-]

AKA Indians.

Which is incorrect.

Indians come from India

Native Americans come from, you guessed it, America.

I have no idea how Indians came to be mixed with Native Americans.

Columbus thought he landed in the Indies. That's why Native Americans are incorrectly called "Indians".

[Imperium Neo Roma]

Which is incorrect.

Indians come from India

Native Americans come from, you guessed it, America.

I have no idea how Indians came to be mixed with Native Americans.

Columbus thought he landed in the Indies. That's why Native Americans are incorrectly called "Indians".

Why anyone would listen to Columbus I'll never know, luckiest man in the world.

[The Imperial Shard]

AKA Indians.

Which is incorrect.

Indians come from India

Native Americans come from, you guessed it, America.

I have no idea how Indians came to be mixed with Native Americans.

Columbus thought he was in India, complications arose, and he called the indigenous Indians.

For teh lulz of course, so we could sit here 500 years later debating about the subject.

[Kalibarr]

Which is incorrect.

Indians come from India

Native Americans come from, you guessed it, America.

I have no idea how Indians came to be mixed with Native Americans.

Columbus thought he landed in the Indies. That's why Native Americans are incorrectly called "Indians".

I've met Native Americans who call them selves Indians. In fact, they consider the term "Native American" to be offensive...

[Greed and Death]

Columbus thought he landed in the Indies. That's why Native Americans are incorrectly called "Indians".

I've met Native Americans who call them selves Indians. In fact, they consider the term "Native American" to be offensive...

The rule is call people what they would like to be called.

[Imperium Neo Roma]

Columbus thought he landed in the Indies. That's why Native Americans are incorrectly called "Indians".

I've met Native Americans who call them selves Indians. In fact, they consider the term "Native American" to be offensive...

Well, that doesn't make any sense, It's like if someone walked into Russia and thought he was in Georgia (The Nation), called them Georgians instead of Russians, and then Russia starts to prefer that term over the correct one.

[NirvashTypeEND]

I say the middle finger should be allowed.

"Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger, it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore be incapable of fighting in the future.

This famous weapon was made of the native English Yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew." Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the defeated French."

It has historic context.