Wanted: Clever Pro-Choice Slogans

[Nulono]

You're saying that if someone tried to make it legal for a mother or father to kill their infant child, you'd be totally okay with that?

Yes.

That's... disgusting.

When in doubt, clothes hangar that mofo

I don't know when the last time I saw a wire hanger was.

[Tekania]

Yes.

That's... disgusting.

Not any more disgusting that ordering the steak at a restaurant.

[ZombieRothbard]

That's... disgusting.

Not any more disgusting that ordering the steak at a restaurant.

Murdering a baby and ordering a steak are like, the same thing.

[Tekania]

Not any more disgusting that ordering the steak at a restaurant.

Murdering a baby and ordering a steak are like, the same thing.

It's killing something that was alive.

[Grave_n_idle]

All we want is for people to not kill their offspring. It's not that insidious. And it's not true I don't care about people after birth.

I didn't say 'insidious'. I said 'trivial'.

As for whether or not you care about people after birth - if you're willing to place the 'rights' of the foetus above the rights of the 'mother', you have made your play.

[UCUMAY]

"Don't think of it as abortion, think of it as a budget cut on welfare..."

[UCUMAY]

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[Potarius]

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I'm proud to be a multiple victim of "cannibalism".

[Nulono]

All we want is for people to not kill their offspring. It's not that insidious. And it's not true I don't care about people after birth.

I didn't say 'insidious'. I said 'trivial'.

As for whether or not you care about people after birth - if you're willing to place the 'rights' of the foetus above the rights of the 'mother', you have made your play.

Caring about someone and letting them kill their offspring are different things.

That's... disgusting.

Not any more disgusting that ordering the steak at a restaurant.

You mean hunting? The stakes I eat tend to be pre-killed.

"Don't think of it as abortion, think of it as a budget cut on welfare..."

What a sick thing to say.

[Tekania]

Not any more disgusting that ordering the steak at a restaurant.

You mean hunting? The stakes I eat tend to be pre-killed.

You didn't kill the cow anymore than I killed the fetus.

[UCUMAY]

Not any more disgusting that ordering the steak at a restaurant.

Murdering a baby and ordering a steak are like, the same thing.

Could you butcher the cow and then stomach the thought of eating it? I would think it'd be easier to simply kill a collection of cells. We do it all the time.

[Nulono]

You mean hunting? The stakes I eat tend to be pre-killed.

You didn't kill the cow anymore than I killed the fetus.

Did I say you did?
Wait, are you saying you'd be fine with eating babies?

[Farnhamia]

You didn't kill the cow anymore than I killed the fetus.

Did I say you did?
Wait, are you saying you'd be fine with eating babies?

The idea does have some historical support. I recall Dean Swift writing something along those lines.

[-St George]

And morality is removed from reality. And that post wasn't addressing the morality of abortion, merely an argument that anti-lifers use too often.

Huh?

My post wasn't adressing the morality of abortion, only the suggestion that, if abortion was outlawed/never made legal, the adoption/care service would be able to cope. It wouldn't.

[Nulono]

Huh?

My post wasn't adressing the morality of abortion, only the suggestion that, if abortion was outlawed/never made legal, the adoption/care service would be able to cope. It wouldn't.

I think there would be many more variables to take into consideration, but either way it's not relevant.

[Tekania]

You didn't kill the cow anymore than I killed the fetus.

Did I say you did?
Wait, are you saying you'd be fine with eating babies?

No, but it's the same effect. Besides, if you're going to claim my pro-choice argument results in my culpability to the killing of a fetus; it is only logical that your ordering a steak means you're culpable to the killing of the cow.... If we assume culpability is defined the support of a position allowing the action, then such as to be equal in all cases related to ones supportive positions in relation to the act which is ensued.

I want my, babyback-babyback-babyback ribs.... I want my babyback-babyback-babyback ribs...

[UCUMAY]

Did I say you did?
Wait, are you saying you'd be fine with eating babies?

No, but it's the same effect. Besides, if you're going to claim my pro-choice argument results in my culpability to the killing of a fetus; it is only logical that your ordering a steak means you're culpable to the killing of the cow.... If we assume culpability is defined the support of a position allowing the action, then such as to be equal in all cases related to ones supportive positions in relation to the act which is ensued.

I want my, babyback-babyback-babyback ribs.... I want my babyback-babyback-babyback ribs...

[Grave_n_idle]

Caring about someone and letting them kill their offspring are different things.

Indeed.

Which is how you justify the partition in your head that forces a baby girl to be born, even if she's unwanted... and then turns around and abandons that little girl for the rest of her life UNLESS she decides she doesn't want to keep a baby in turn, in which case you're suddenly all up in her shit.

'Pro-lifers' don't give a fuck about what happens after the abortion passes. If they did, they'd be educating women about contraceptives, and finding food and homes for the unwanted... not bitching about what a girl behind the privacy of her own vagina.

[Nulono]

Caring about someone and letting them kill their offspring are different things.

Indeed.

Which is how you justify the partition in your head that forces a baby girl to be born, even if she's unwanted... and then turns around and abandons that little girl for the rest of her life UNLESS she decides she doesn't want to keep a baby in turn, in which case you're suddenly all up in her shit.

'Pro-lifers' don't give a fuck about what happens after the abortion passes. If they did, they'd be educating women about contraceptives, and finding food and homes for the unwanted... not bitching about what a girl behind the privacy of her own vagina.

Who says we aren't doing those things?

I *do* care about the baby after birth. Even if I didn't, that wouldn't justify the baby's death.

Enough with the ad hominems already!

[-St George]

My post wasn't adressing the morality of abortion, only the suggestion that, if abortion was outlawed/never made legal, the adoption/care service would be able to cope. It wouldn't.

I think there would be many more variables to take into consideration, but either way it's not relevant.

Lol wat. A main argument/alternative put forth by the anti choice lobby isn't relevant in a thread about the anti choice lobby?

[Grave_n_idle]

Indeed.

Which is how you justify the partition in your head that forces a baby girl to be born, even if she's unwanted... and then turns around and abandons that little girl for the rest of her life UNLESS she decides she doesn't want to keep a baby in turn, in which case you're suddenly all up in her shit.

'Pro-lifers' don't give a fuck about what happens after the abortion passes. If they did, they'd be educating women about contraceptives, and finding food and homes for the unwanted... not bitching about what a girl behind the privacy of her own vagina.

Who says we aren't doing those things?

I *do* care about the baby after birth. Even if I didn't, that wouldn't justify the baby's death.

There is no baby.

As for caring about the 'baby' after birth, the simple fact that every woman wanting an abortion (or not wanting one, of course) was a baby once, and you're quite happy to enslave her to the unborn - so your claim is demonstrably untrue.

Enough with the ad hominems already!

There was no ad hominem. I didn't attempt to invalidate an argument, by dismissing it based on a perceived flaw I claim I find in you - I'm saying I don't buy your platform, at all, because the 'pro-life' agenda stops at birth.

[Dakini]

When in doubt, clothes hangar that mofo

I don't know when the last time I saw a wire hanger was.

Get some clothes dry cleaned, you'll get some.

They're also handy for trying to remove clogs in your drain.

[Dakini]

Indeed.

Which is how you justify the partition in your head that forces a baby girl to be born, even if she's unwanted... and then turns around and abandons that little girl for the rest of her life UNLESS she decides she doesn't want to keep a baby in turn, in which case you're suddenly all up in her shit.

'Pro-lifers' don't give a fuck about what happens after the abortion passes. If they did, they'd be educating women about contraceptives, and finding food and homes for the unwanted... not bitching about what a girl behind the privacy of her own vagina.

Who says we aren't doing those things?

I *do* care about the baby after birth.

Really? How much time do you put in volunteering at homeless shelters? How many foster children do you care for? How much do you donate to your local Planned Parenthood so they can educate people about contraception? There are a lot of children who need homes and a lot of adults who are totally ignorant of contraception.

Even if I didn't, that wouldn't justify the baby's death.

Look, if you want to argue that an embryo/foetus/etc is a person you still have to deal with the fact that one person is never justified in using another person to survive. If I need blood and you're a donor, I can't force you to give it to me. If I need a kidney, I can't do that either. You're arguing that embryos and foetuses have special rights that born human beings don't have and you have not justified this in any way.

However, there is no baby. Please stop using emotional language in an attempt to make your point. If your point can't stand on its own, then it's no good and you should find a better one.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

If your point can't stand on its own, then it's no good and you should find a better one.

Without the emotional hyperbole the inherent misogyny is much harder to conceal.

[Dakini]

If your point can't stand on its own, then it's no good and you should find a better one.

Without the emotional hyperbole the inherent misogyny is much harder to conceal.

I'm all about honesty. Let all the people who hate women and wish to enslave us be honest with their intentions. Then we can tackle the root of the problem instead of this bullshit where they want to justify being able to tell me what I should and should not do with my body.