Wanted: Clever Pro-Choice Slogans

[Nulono]

Infanticide is okay by that logic.

Yes, it could be. That of course has no relevance to the issue at hand.

When would it not be?

No, I give the fetus the right to live, like any other human.

No you don't, you give it MORE rights to live than any other human... Which is silly because you even put it's rights above the rights of real agents (real persons).

I'm suggesting nothing more than the basic right not to be killed, which every human has.

Wow....I guess it was kind of naive of me not to realize how this thread would deteriorate.

Poster-making is this afternoon. I wanted to thank everyone who contributed constructively to this thread; I definitely appreciate your advice. To everyone else, well, thanks for reaffirming the importance of me being out there tomorrow.

I'm still torn between the punchy "If abortion is murder, then blowjobs are cannibalism" and the less attention-grabbing but also less inflammatory "Her body, her choice." I guess I'll talk it over with the other organizers.

For my purposes, the thread is done. Maybe the mods want to go ahead and lock?

I don't get the first one. How does it make sense?

The second is biologically ignorant.

[Tekania]

Yes, it could be. That of course has no relevance to the issue at hand.

When would it not be?

No you don't, you give it MORE rights to live than any other human... Which is silly because you even put it's rights above the rights of real agents (real persons).

I'm suggesting nothing more than the basic right not to be killed, which every human has.

It's not relevant because we're not talking about infant rights.

Every human does not have the basic right not to be killed.

[Nulono]

Once it fails, you can't prevent someone from existing, because they already do.

Not as a "someone" they don't.

Huh?

We're talking about killing a human fetus.

No, we're talking about bodily autonomy.

So the fetus doesn't die from the abortion?

I never said anything of the sort.

Then clarify what you mean by "the negative right to live".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_a ... ive_rights

I'm not. I'm telling you not to kill your offspring.

They're not offspring until they've sprung.

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art ... lekey=3424
Fetus: The unborn offspring from the end of the 8th week after conception (when the major structures have formed) until birth. Up until the eighth week, the developing offspring is called an embryo.

It's my body, my uterus, my reproductive choice. If you want to deny me my choice, you're trying to control my reproduction, the status of my uterus and by extension, my body.

I don't care if you reproduce.

[Nulono]

When would it not be?


I'm suggesting nothing more than the basic right not to be killed, which every human has.

It's not relevant because we're not talking about infant rights.

Every human does not have the basic right not to be killed.

Yes we do. It's one of the most fundamental of human rights.

[-St George]

And I refuted, etc, etc, ad infinitum.

My point wasn't that abortion is justifiable because there aren't enough adoption homes, it's that the 'oh they could put it up for adoption' argue, doesn't cut the mustard.

Adoption is irrelevant to the morality of abortion.

And morality is removed from reality. And that post wasn't addressing the morality of abortion, merely an argument that anti-lifers use too often.

[Nulono]

Adoption is irrelevant to the morality of abortion.

And morality is removed from reality. And that post wasn't addressing the morality of abortion, merely an argument that anti-lifers use too often.

Huh?

[Tekania]

It's not relevant because we're not talking about infant rights.

Every human does not have the basic right not to be killed.

Yes we do. It's one of the most fundamental of human rights.

No it isn't. Only people have an an intrinsic right to life, as they are capable of agency.

[Ghanara]

Try typing the word "Abortion" into slogan maker. I'm sure something good will pop out.

[Nulono]

Yes we do. It's one of the most fundamental of human rights.

No it isn't. Only people have an an intrinsic right to life, as they are capable of agency.

My point is I'm not giving the fetus more of a right to live than a born person.

[Tekania]

No it isn't. Only people have an an intrinsic right to life, as they are capable of agency.

My point is I'm not giving the fetus more of a right to live than a born person.

A fetus is not a person. Giving it that right takes away the right of actual real people.

[Nulono]

My point is I'm not giving the fetus more of a right to live than a born person.

A fetus is not a person. Giving it that right takes away the right of actual real people.

Giving an infant the right to live takes away a right of his parents. Should infanticide be legalized then?

[Veblenia]

WAIT don't lock it yet! My daughter went to a march with me recently and her sign said "Medical choices are for patients and their doctors!" and everyone loved it. You might throw that into your mix of things to think about.

I do like that.

[Slovitrea]

"How about we make YOU have a baby come out of you when you dont want it?"

I want to see a politician respond to that.

[Tekania]

A fetus is not a person. Giving it that right takes away the right of actual real people.

Giving an infant the right to live takes away a right of his parents. Should infanticide be legalized then?

Likely, there are fairly good reasons for having it in particular circumstances. (Ain't I a bitch?)

[Nulono]

"How about we make YOU have a baby come out of you when you dont want it?"

I want to see a politician respond to that.

I'm no politician, but killing the baby seems like an overreaction.

Giving an infant the right to live takes away a right of his parents. Should infanticide be legalized then?

Likely, there are fairly good reasons for having it in particular circumstances. (Ain't I a bitch?)

Shouldn't we just legalize it on demand, though? After all, an infant is not a person. Giving it that right takes away the right of actual real people.

[Tekania]

Shouldn't we just legalize it on demand, though? After all, an infant is not a person. Giving it that right takes away the right of actual real people.

If you want to. Go ahead. I certainly won't oppose the measure.

[Hellsgrind]

I once heard of a woman that wanted to send her uterus to the House of Representatives, along with the a latter saying, "If you want to control my uterus, here it is." It was clearly a joke, but the thought was funny, nonetheless.

[Nulono]

Shouldn't we just legalize it on demand, though? After all, an infant is not a person. Giving it that right takes away the right of actual real people.

If you want to. Go ahead. I certainly won't oppose the measure.

Wow.

I once heard of a woman that wanted to send her uterus to the House of Representatives, along with the a latter saying, "If you want to control my uterus, here it is." It was clearly a joke, but the thought was funny, nonetheless.

I'm sure most politicians couldn't give a fuck about what you do with your uterus. Kill your offspring and you'll ruffle some feathers, 'cause violations of human rights tend to be frowned upon.

[Tekania]

If you want to. Go ahead. I certainly won't oppose the measure.

Wow.

I know, consistent philosophical viewpoints are so rare these days.

[Nulono]

Wow.

I know, consistent philosophical viewpoints are so rare these days.

You're saying that if someone tried to make it legal for a mother or father to kill their infant child, you'd be totally okay with that?

[Flameswroth]

It's times like this that I wish a procedure existed where an individual could go to a certain clinic, and have their fetus removed, and placed in a special incubator chamber. Then they could go their own way and forfeit all legal right to the child.

Of course, this 'deathless abortion' could not/should not be funded by the American people, so we can put it on the shoulders of the people who want the child to stay alive - whatever advocacy groups or religious institutions feel that's important. That way we get it all; people who don't want a kid are free to get rid of the kid the moment they learn they are pregnant, and the people against what they see as killing kids could put their money where their mouth is and keep the kids alive themselves.

Alas, such a technique does not exist...but I wonder if any ill could be said of it if it did...

[Gauthier]

It's times like this that I wish a procedure existed where an individual could go to a certain clinic, and have their fetus removed, and placed in a special incubator chamber. Then they could go their own way and forfeit all legal right to the child.

Of course, this 'deathless abortion' could not/should not be funded by the American people, so we can put it on the shoulders of the people who want the child to stay alive - whatever advocacy groups or religious institutions feel that's important. That way we get it all; people who don't want a kid are free to get rid of the kid the moment they learn they are pregnant, and the people against what they see as killing kids could put their money where their mouth is and keep the kids alive themselves.

Alas, such a technique does not exist...but I wonder if any ill could be said of it if it did...

Oh I'm sure a few fundies would bitch about the unholiness of growing a child outside of a mother's natural body, blah blah blah...

[Nulono]

It's times like this that I wish a procedure existed where an individual could go to a certain clinic, and have their fetus removed, and placed in a special incubator chamber. Then they could go their own way and forfeit all legal right to the child.

Of course, this 'deathless abortion' could not/should not be funded by the American people, so we can put it on the shoulders of the people who want the child to stay alive - whatever advocacy groups or religious institutions feel that's important. That way we get it all; people who don't want a kid are free to get rid of the kid the moment they learn they are pregnant, and the people against what they see as killing kids could put their money where their mouth is and keep the kids alive themselves.

Alas, such a technique does not exist...but I wonder if any ill could be said of it if it did...

It would probably be risky. And the logic is as flawed as the foster care argument.

[Tekania]

I know, consistent philosophical viewpoints are so rare these days.

You're saying that if someone tried to make it legal for a mother or father to kill their infant child, you'd be totally okay with that?

Yes.

[ZombieRothbard]

When in doubt, clothes hangar that mofo