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Is there a soul?

Postby Cheztope » Sat May 07, 2011 1:55 pm

If you are reading this, your brain is being used. The reading of language, the comprehension of it, and your feelings about it are all physical products of your brain; it is not a little ghost inside of you thinking. It is your brain thinking, and we can literally see it at work with MRI scans. We know that every aspect of our human experience can be directly linked to brain activity. Our behavior and personality are the products of 100 billion neurons and 100 trillion synapses.

When the brain is damaged, personality can dramatically change. People can suddenly have difficulty with moral decisions. An honest man may become a crook and a liar. Monogamous people may become sex-addicted and feel no regret after brain injury. Some may experience social confusion and not understand innuendo, rudeness, and lose the ability to read people's expressions.

Some people suffer from amnesia after brain trauma because memories are stored in the brain! We can even stimulate certain areas of the brain with electrical current and they may have vivid hallucinations. When brain activity stops, you are gone.

There is no evidence that once you die, a ghost or spirit leaves your body. Who would this entity be and how could it think when your personality and organ you think with remains in the brain and body?


Some peoples may argue with near death experiences, but the hallucinations produced in this time are neurons misfiring, oxygen deficiency, and mental and physical stress. Near death experiences can be induced by use of anesthetics like ketamine; it is not your soul going to heaven or hell.

There is currently no scientific evidence that hints toward consciousness beyond brain function. If there was, it would become mainstream science immedietly.

The doctor comes up to you and diagnoses you with terminal brain cancer and the only way to save your life is to undergo a brian transplant. You will live, but with someone elses brain. Would you have the surgery?


You are your brain! With all of this evidence, how can the majority of the people on this planet believe that there is a soul?

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sat May 07, 2011 1:59 pm

If there was a soul, it couldn't be a sentient or conscious part of your being (for reasons you just stated.), so I find the discussion to be quite irrelevant.

Also, you can't transplant a brain. Not yet at any rate.

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Postby Hassett » Sat May 07, 2011 2:04 pm

Yes, a brain and a soul can coexist.
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sat May 07, 2011 2:06 pm

Hassett wrote:Yes, a brain and a soul can coexist.


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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat May 07, 2011 2:16 pm

I don't hold much belief in one, as their is no evidence that their isn't one, so I won't declare "You are so wrong! Wrong wrong wrong!"

As to your hypothetical question, I would; Even if it wasn't me, assuming this operation could be accomplished effectively, someone would have the chance at life.

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Postby Call to power » Sat May 07, 2011 2:21 pm

Cheztope wrote:If you are reading this, your brain is being used.


your new to this forum aren't you? :p

Cheztope wrote:Who would this entity be and how could it think when your personality and organ you think with remains in the brain and body?


suppose you will need to define soul here because perhaps the very identity of you is a soul or at least our idea of what a continual human existence is, of course that leaves the question of as you have stated if a person is the same person if they suffer a completely change in their personality (can you imagine your spouse coming home one day a different person. freaky stuff)

I think what we are really looking at in a soul is as a means to deal with the brain crashing thought of ceasing to exist - even when a perfect clone of you still exists it fills people with dread to think of this them ceasing which is coincidentally why I find Star Trek transporters really freaky

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The doctor comes up to you and diagnoses you with terminal brain cancer and the only way to save your life is to undergo a brian transplant. You will live, but with someone elses brain. Would you have the surgery?


I suppose I would have to follow through what with both options being rather similar on my side

I would suggest a slow decent into dementia v brain transplant in which case I would actually side with no being that every instinct I have screams at me that this is a very bad thing

Cheztope wrote:You are your brain! With all of this evidence, how can the majority of the people on this planet believe that there is a soul?


aww man I thought this thread would be cool philosophy with a dash of pop-psychology :(

the soul in a theological sense is not a physical entity on this plane of existence merely you can say it uses the brain as a vehicle with which it interacts with and experiences the world (which follows from stories of Golems*)

*for those not experienced in the thought: think of the Civ IV game-mod that goes into the future and how the clones created are only capable of menial tasks
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Postby Augenstan » Sat May 07, 2011 2:22 pm

I believe in a soul in the form of a conscious, but not in the form of an eternal part of myself that will have an afterlife.

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Postby Georgism » Sat May 07, 2011 2:35 pm

Some people believe that the 'soul' is stored in the pineal gland.
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Postby Roman Cilicia » Sat May 07, 2011 2:39 pm

Yes, there is a soul. My research into the occult and esoteric has confirmed this.

A man who devotes his life to the service of Shaitan/Ahriman/the Great Deceiver or his servants, the demons, will certainly face hell after death.

While a man who is pleasant, kind, faithful and honourable in the service of God will correspondingly attain entrance to heaven, as it is called.

And a man in between may hover on the Astral plane until his life's goal is complete.

There are many such circumstances, which makes it difficult for me to describe them all.
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Postby Georgism » Sat May 07, 2011 2:41 pm

Roman Cilicia wrote:There are many such circumstances, which makes it difficult for me to describe them all.

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Postby Why so critical » Sat May 07, 2011 2:42 pm

I know I have a soul because everyone is just so much dumber then me, the magnitude, there is no other way to explain it. Other people don't have souls, though.

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Postby Georgism » Sat May 07, 2011 2:44 pm

Why so critical wrote:I know I have a soul because everyone is just so much dumber then me, the magnitude, there is no other way to explain it. Other people don't have souls, though.

I've seen EU directives funnier than this.
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Postby Jeux II » Sat May 07, 2011 2:44 pm

Why so critical wrote:I know I have a soul because everyone is just so much dumber then me, the magnitude, there is no other way to explain it. Other people don't have souls, though.

Saying you have a soul makes you a stupid person in some places.
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Postby Why so critical » Sat May 07, 2011 2:48 pm

Georgism wrote:I've seen EU directives funnier than this.

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Postby Axiomighty » Sat May 07, 2011 2:48 pm

The first guy sums it up quite conclusively. I think there is no soul in the physicaly sense, but mentally, we can create anything within ourselves. So if you act as if you have a soul, mentally you can have a soul, within your brain, even though truly it would be nothing more than a imaginitive attribute, you could go as far as to say, it might boost your confidence or something.

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Postby Why so critical » Sat May 07, 2011 2:50 pm

I would argue that the brain only exists when you use it, or if it gets stabbed.

What many people do not consider is that, regardless of whether we have a soul, we can have a worker's union.
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Postby Suidwes-Afrika » Sat May 07, 2011 9:07 pm

There is a point in your life, for even the most hardline attackers of the belief [that people have a soul], when they think about it and realize that there is actually a fair chance that there may be such a thing as a soul.

I think it is possible you do have a soul, but it doesn't represent who you are, really. It may just be an existing "residue" of some kind that you leave behind when you die. Even people cannot be destroyed if they have been dead for a thousand years. Their physical bodies may decompose, but I apply the general rule of the universe here for supporters of the unproven theory: Nothing is truly destroyed. I consider a physical body to be destroyed when it is no longer the one person in one piece, but just matter in the Earth. But the person is not destroyed. Some measure of him/her must still exist in some form or another.

The question now is: If you have a soul, is it physical/can it be affected by physical things? If souls exist, is there a way of keeping them (and in effect, the original person) around?

Of course, all of this is just (rather unlikely) speculation, in case everyone on this planet has a real soul. Currently, I have my doubts about the matter, but there may come a time in my life when I choose to consider this matter more closely and search myself, and myself only, to resolve a definite answer to this intriguing question.

Everyone must decide for themselves if they believe in a soul. If you don't, then you obviously will not miss it if it turns out to be real.
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Postby Caecili » Sat May 07, 2011 9:10 pm

I completely agree with the OP. There is no need for a soul. We are our brains. Our entire conscious being is contained within them.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Sat May 07, 2011 9:11 pm

No, of course not.
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Postby Soviet Engineers » Sat May 07, 2011 9:13 pm

"Soul" is such a loaded word hung over from pre-20th century thinking that was unable to reconcile scientific and technological advances with cultural lag.
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Postby Why so critical2 » Sat May 07, 2011 9:13 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:No, of course not.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sat May 07, 2011 9:15 pm

There is no "soul" only the "Self".
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Sat May 07, 2011 9:16 pm

Why so critical2 wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:No, of course not.

He's some kind of Soviet Nazi. Don't believe him. Remember, nothing exists.


Hurry up and get IP banned. :roll:

As a materialist I find the notion of souls a little silly.
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Postby Why so critical2 » Sat May 07, 2011 9:17 pm

Big Jim P wrote:There is no "soul" only the "Self".

Self is even more fictitious then soul. You believe in self because you happen to find it utilitarianly useful.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat May 07, 2011 9:19 pm

Why so critical2 wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:There is no "soul" only the "Self".

Self is even more factitious then soul. You believe in self because you happen to find it utilitarianly useful.


I believe in the self because I am me, and there is no other human response that does not have the "self" as its core.
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