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Postby Lordieth » Wed May 04, 2011 12:07 pm

Washington spokesman live on bbc just called him 'Osama Bin Lady'
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Postby Vault 1 » Wed May 04, 2011 12:10 pm

Andaluciae wrote:The taking of DNA,

Public information available? No. They just said they confirmed him by an insta-DNA test.

Andaluciae wrote:the witnesses interviewed

Link to the interview? The only witnesses found on the net say they saw a helicopter and heard shooting. That's it. But no one's doubting that.

[/quote]and the photo recognition [/quote]
Link to the photo? Well, there is none. Link to an independent source that did the "photo recognition"?


All we have is the same guy spewing different things. If I say "I'm Obama lan Biden", does my account become more credible if I say that I have two, three, four proofs (none of which I show you)?

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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Wed May 04, 2011 12:11 pm

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Andaluciae wrote:The taking of DNA,

Public information available? No. They just said they confirmed him by an insta-DNA test.

DNA isn't even foolproof lol.
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Postby Terra Agora » Wed May 04, 2011 12:12 pm

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Terra Agora wrote:Tbh the white house confirming it doesn't really move me.


Any particular reason?

I dont particularly trust the government.

Not like tin foil hat living underground distrust but more of "they have lied before I wouldn't be surprised if they lied again."
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Postby Andaluciae » Wed May 04, 2011 12:14 pm

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Andaluciae wrote:The taking of DNA,

Public information available? No. They just said they confirmed him by an insta-DNA test.

Andaluciae wrote:the witnesses interviewed

Link to the interview? The only witnesses found on the net say they saw a helicopter and heard shooting. That's it. But no one's doubting that.

and the photo recognition [/quote]
Link to the photo? Well, there is none. Link to an independent source that did the "photo recognition"?


All we have is the same guy spewing different things. If I say "I'm Obama lan Biden", does my account become more credible if I say that I have two, three, four proofs (none of which I show you)?[/quote]

How, exactly, does one make public a DNA test except by releasing the results? How about the claims coming from ther Pakistani government, who has detained the people who were left behind in the compound? Fine, no photos. There's no need to, because conspiracy nuts tend to believe whatever they want without regard to evidence.
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Postby Andaluciae » Wed May 04, 2011 12:17 pm

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:
Vault 1 wrote:Public information available? No. They just said they confirmed him by an insta-DNA test.

DNA isn't even foolproof lol.



Problem being that you need at least some of the DNA to be copied to do either method.
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Postby Hydesland » Wed May 04, 2011 12:20 pm

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Andaluciae wrote:The taking of DNA,

Public information available? No. They just said they confirmed him by an insta-DNA test.


How do you know this information wont be released? I think it would be bizarre and remarkable if the information of that type was available within a week or even a month. And again, DNA can be fabricated (for instance the government can get two relatives of the same ethnicity as Bin Laden and use their DNA, we wouldn't know otherwise). I also can't remember when DNA sample information has ever been made publicly available ever, is there even a precedent for such? Same with pretty much all the other information you require.

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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Wed May 04, 2011 12:21 pm

Andaluciae wrote:
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:DNA isn't even foolproof lol.



Problem being that you need at least some of the DNA to be copied to do either method.

'tis possible.
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Postby Vault 1 » Wed May 04, 2011 12:23 pm

Andaluciae wrote:How, exactly, does one make public a DNA test except by releasing the results?

Submit samples to an independent agency, rather than just claim it has been done (when it probably hasn't)? I'm not sure, all we have now is a guy claiming he got a frag.


[/quote]How about the claims coming from ther Pakistani government, who has detained the people who were left behind in the compound? [/quote]
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 04, 2011 12:26 pm

Andaluciae wrote:
Vault 1 wrote:Public information available? No. They just said they confirmed him by an insta-DNA test.


Link to the interview? The only witnesses found on the net say they saw a helicopter and heard shooting. That's it. But no one's doubting that.

and the photo recognition

Link to the photo? Well, there is none. Link to an independent source that did the "photo recognition"?


All we have is the same guy spewing different things. If I say "I'm Obama lan Biden", does my account become more credible if I say that I have two, three, four proofs (none of which I show you)?

How, exactly, does one make public a DNA test except by releasing the results? How about the claims coming from ther Pakistani government, who has detained the people who were left behind in the compound? Fine, no photos. There's no need to, because conspiracy nuts tend to believe whatever they want without regard to evidence.

Image

Click the pic, the first two minutes tells you everything you need to know.

And as far as arguing over the various details, maybe people should just calm down before using whatever detail fits their pre-packaged narratives.
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Postby Andaluciae » Wed May 04, 2011 12:26 pm

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:

Problem being that you need at least some of the DNA to be copied to do either method.

'tis possible.


But doubtful. The US had, at that point, a pretty real vendetta against bin Laden, and passing up.a chance to nab him in Dubai seems unlikely.
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Postby Vlorkidor » Wed May 04, 2011 12:27 pm

Bin Laden is dead! Terrorism is forever gone!!!!

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 04, 2011 12:29 pm

Vlorkidor wrote:Bin Laden is dead! Terrorism is forever gone!!!!

[/ignorance]

People keep patting themselves on the back for saying this...but who the hell do they think they're telling?
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Postby Vlorkidor » Wed May 04, 2011 12:31 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Vlorkidor wrote:Bin Laden is dead! Terrorism is forever gone!!!!

[/ignorance]

People keep patting themselves on the back for saying this...but who the hell do they think they're telling?

People who think that Osama was the ring leader and not just a money connection for Al Qaeda. People who think that, with Osama's death, that terrorism is no more.
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Postby Andaluciae » Wed May 04, 2011 12:33 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:Link to the photo? Well, there is none. Link to an independent source that did the "photo recognition"?


All we have is the same guy spewing different things. If I say "I'm Obama lan Biden", does my account become more credible if I say that I have two, three, four proofs (none of which I show you)?

How, exactly, does one make public a DNA test except by releasing the results? How about the claims coming from ther Pakistani government, who has detained the people who were left behind in the compound? Fine, no photos. There's no need to, because conspiracy nuts tend to believe whatever they want without regard to evidence.

Image

Click the pic, the first two minutes tells you everything you need to know.


And as far as arguing over the various details, maybe people should just calm down before using whatever detail fits their pre-packaged narratives.


Thank you Rachel Maddow for stating what should be the obvious.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 04, 2011 12:33 pm

Vlorkidor wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:People keep patting themselves on the back for saying this...but who the hell do they think they're telling?

People who think that Osama was the ring leader and not just a money connection for Al Qaeda. People who think that, with Osama's death, that terrorism is no more.

So, imaginary friends, then? No one thinks this is the end of terrorism. We're all aware of the nominal role Osama has had in al-Qeada in the last few years. You are educating no one.
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Postby Vault 1 » Wed May 04, 2011 12:35 pm

Hydesland wrote:How do you know this information wont be released?

When it is released, if it is released, I'll buy the story.

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Postby Vlorkidor » Wed May 04, 2011 12:35 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Vlorkidor wrote:People who think that Osama was the ring leader and not just a money connection for Al Qaeda. People who think that, with Osama's death, that terrorism is no more.

So, imaginary friends, then? No one thinks this is the end of terrorism. We're all aware of the nominal role Osama has had in al-Qeada in the last few years. You are educating no one.

Right, as if ignorant people don't exist.

At least he's dead, right?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 04, 2011 12:36 pm

Andaluciae wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Image

Click the pic, the first two minutes tells you everything you need to know.


And as far as arguing over the various details, maybe people should just calm down before using whatever detail fits their pre-packaged narratives.


Thank you Rachel Maddow for stating what should be the obvious.

90 some pages of people going "I heard that he was dancing the Watusi, therefore this is clearly a plot to keep him off So You Think You Can Dance" etc. indicates that the obvious, in this case, needed to be stated (arguments based on whether he was armed or not, etc.)
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 04, 2011 12:38 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:So, imaginary friends, then? No one thinks this is the end of terrorism. We're all aware of the nominal role Osama has had in al-Qeada in the last few years. You are educating no one.

Right, as if ignorant people don't exist.

At least he's dead, right?

Find them. Quote them. Respond to them. Don't stroll in here with your generic, imagined person and smugly address them as if, after almost 100 pages you've just put us all in place. There are dozens of these smug little posts in here and I'm struggling to find one that they could be a response to. Quit patting yourself on the back for being so 'clever' and either engage the conversation or get back to masturbating.
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Postby Hydesland » Wed May 04, 2011 12:39 pm

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Hydesland wrote:How do you know this information wont be released?

When it is released, if it is released, I'll buy the story.


That's a completely retarded standard. I'm willing to wager that pretty much every high profile detention by the US didn't release DNA sample information publicly, or even for independent verification by an NGO. Again, I don't think there is any precedent for that sort of thing.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed May 04, 2011 12:39 pm

Tridence wrote:fuck that towel head mother fucker

I just wish i was the one who put the fuckin bullets in that fuckin thick skull of his. May he and anyone who feels bad about that bastards death should rot in fuckin HELLLLL :rofl: :twisted:

Sadistic, are we?

I feel bad that he died, but only because of how his death shall effect America; his death shall serve to inspire others at best, show people we don't care to take criminals alive for a fair trial, or make his organization splinter into several, uncontrollable groups at worst.

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Postby Vlorkidor » Wed May 04, 2011 12:40 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Vlorkidor wrote:Right, as if ignorant people don't exist.

At least he's dead, right?

Find them. Quote them. Respond to them. Don't stroll in here with your generic, imagined person and smugly address them as if, after almost 100 pages you've just put us all in place. There are dozens of these smug little posts in here and I'm struggling to find one that they could be a response to. Quit patting yourself on the back for being so 'clever' and either engage the conversation or get back to masturbating.

U mad?

I'm struggling to understand your reasoning behind this hostility. Are you seriously implying that people like that don't exist?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 04, 2011 12:44 pm

Hydesland wrote:
Vault 1 wrote:When it is released, if it is released, I'll buy the story.


That's a completely retarded standard. I'm willing to wager that pretty much every high profile detention by the US didn't release DNA sample information publicly, or even for independent verification by an NGO. Again, I don't think there is any precedent for that sort of thing.

To quote Stewart in my earlier link, "We could have a video tape of the terrorist leader himself, holding up Sunday's New York Post and his birth certificate, wearing his "I am bin Laden, Seriously" t-shirt saying on camera "I think this dude is about fuck me up big time," and it still wouldn't be enough."

Your spinning your wheels.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 04, 2011 12:47 pm

Vlorkidor wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Find them. Quote them. Respond to them. Don't stroll in here with your generic, imagined person and smugly address them as if, after almost 100 pages you've just put us all in place. There are dozens of these smug little posts in here and I'm struggling to find one that they could be a response to. Quit patting yourself on the back for being so 'clever' and either engage the conversation or get back to masturbating.

U mad?

I'm struggling to understand your reasoning behind this hostility. Are you seriously implying that people like that don't exist?

Do you seriously think that after 90some pages your the first one to fart out the completely obvious notion that this doesn't 'end terrorism'? Find the 'person' your responding to with your completely redundant, non-contributing 'observation,' have that conversation. Shit's tedious.
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