Bin Laden is dead Megathread

[Mike the Progressive]

I love how he was hiding in a $1,000,000 mansion. Now do we honestly think America didn't see it? A 1m compound right outside the perimeter of what looks like a favela. I mean lets be honest no one is that stupid. Precisley when this had been going for like 10 years. So I connect the dots with 400 terriosts escaping and the death of Osama. He could of kept hiding I don't know what was stopping America from just going in and killing him before (Besides Pakistans permission) buy I'll let you be creative but I believe that they agreed to release those 400 prisoners in exchange for the life of Osama. Its only logical (from the news I have heard thus far) that they have not recaptured or even chased down one (runaway terriost).

Looks like somebody has been smoking the bong again. *takes away bong* No more till you finish your shrooms, young man!

[Maurepas]

I love how he was hiding in a $1,000,000 mansion. Now do we honestly think America didn't see it? A 1m compound right outside the perimeter of what looks like a favela. I mean lets be honest no one is that stupid. Precisley when this had been going for like 10 years. So I connect the dots with 400 terriosts escaping and the death of Osama. He could of kept hiding I don't know what was stopping America from just going in and killing him before (Besides Pakistans permission) buy I'll let you be creative but I believe that they agreed to release those 400 prisoners in exchange for the life of Osama. Its only logical (from the news I have heard thus far) that they have not recaptured or even chased down one (runaway terriost).

It's really quite simple, George Bush moved on:
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/03/bus ... bin-laden/

Asked about the hunt for Bin Laden at a March, 2002 press conference,
Bush said, “I truly am not that concerned about him. I am deeply
concerned about Iraq.” “I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you,” Bush added.

You combine that with the fact that the Pakis hate our guts, and half the time are looking the other way when it comes to terrorists, and it's really no surprise it took this long to get him.

[The Alma Mater]

I love how he was hiding in a $1,000,000 mansion. Now do we honestly think America didn't see it? A 1m compound right outside the perimeter of what looks like a favela. I mean lets be honest no one is that stupid. Precisley when this had been going for like 10 years. So I connect the dots with 400 terriosts escaping and the death of Osama. He could of kept hiding I don't know what was stopping America from just going in and killing him before (Besides Pakistans permission) buy I'll let you be creative but I believe that they agreed to release those 400 prisoners in exchange for the life of Osama. Its only logical (from the news I have heard thus far) that they have not recaptured or even chased down one (runaway terriost).

As a former employee of the defense establishment: Are you fucking kidding me? I'm flatters you think so much of our skills, but your expectations are severely misplaced.

And the Paelstinians ? Surely they should have had SOME interest in the fortress that was build almost next to one of their military bases ?

[Roman Cilicia]

Hitler may yet be alive.

After his death, the noted Russian scientist I. G. Yermakov was called upon to inspect the body, and, unbenknowst to the Soviet authorities, performed a trepanation of the brainpan, removing certain key areas of the Fuhrer's brain. Upon his defection to Argentina in 1951, he took those parts with him, and, with the tacit approval of the Argentine government, firstly cloned and secondly implanted one set of them into a condemned prisoner awaiting the noose. The prisoner proved able to recall many events of Hitler's life and showed aspects of his personality; this prisoner was kept alive for much testing throughout the 50s until he was deemed too great a risk and executed in 1958.

But the second, cloned set of brain parts? No one knows where they are, though an acquaintance of mine traced them thusly:

1951- cloned from the original set
1954- expedited into El Salvador
1955-1965 - location not ascertained
1966- sold to a rich German collector, Hans C. Rundel
1968- seized in a raid on his estate

Since then? No man can say.

[Orthaethaczil]

So...is Hitler dead? How about Genghis Khan? No bodies, no pictures. They must still be alive.

Hitler would be 122 years old now.

Genghis Khan could only still be alife if undead truely exist or he had turned saint or something.

[Mike the Progressive]

It's really quite simple, George Bush moved on:
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/03/bus ... bin-laden/

Asked about the hunt for Bin Laden at a March, 2002 press conference,
Bush said, “I truly am not that concerned about him. I am deeply
concerned about Iraq.” “I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you,” Bush added.

You combine that with the fact that the Pakis hate our guts, and half the time are looking the other way when it comes to terrorists, and it's really no surprise it took this long to get him.

You do know that was another infamous gaffe by the former President right? I mean I'm sure he wished he caught the guy, but Bush opened his mouth and well now people like you are running around posting that on every, single bin Laden thread you can find...

[Mike the Progressive]

So...is Hitler dead? How about Genghis Khan? No bodies, no pictures. They must still be alive.

Hitler would be 122 years old now.

Genghis Khan could only still be alife if undead truely exist or he had turned saint or something.

Ze Fuhrer iz immortal!!!!!

[Andaluciae]

So...is Hitler dead? How about Genghis Khan? No bodies, no pictures. They must still be alive.

Hitler would be 122 years old now.

Genghis Khan could only still be alife if undead truely exist or he had turned saint or something.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Why take the word of the authorities? They have their own interests, and you can never know what are.

[Mike the Progressive]

I imagine the circumstances are harder than we really understand. For example, was he reaching for a weapon? Was the woman he was with? Were the children? Did he try to push or grab something when he was told to stop?

We assume (also don't post big ass pics on posts) from some bare facts the reality of the case, when we really just don't know. In the heat of things, you're aren't being overly cautious, you are making sure you accomplish your mission, that your team and you live. I know it has become somewhat of a cliche in counter-terrorist shows, but they hold some truth in them. Accidents happen. But again, we really don't have enough details.

The 12 year old daughter of Bin Laden said on TV station Al Arabiya that her father was captured alive and shot a few minutes later.
The Pakistani security services also said that there were no weapons in the house and that no one shoot to the American forces.

If you ask me, this is just an execution. It doesn't matter if Bin Laden was guilty or not. Probably he was, but the whole thing looks dirty.

That's the credibility you are using? That the ISI which has so far shown itself to be an organization of corrupt, inbreeds unable (or unwilling) to capture the guy, whom they are receiving millions if not billions in US funds to capture with, living 35 miles from their capitol; and his 12 year old daughter?

Shirley, you must be joking and cannot be so obtuse to ignore such a little thing called 'bias?'

[Maurepas]

It's really quite simple, George Bush moved on:
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/03/bus ... bin-laden/


You combine that with the fact that the Pakis hate our guts, and half the time are looking the other way when it comes to terrorists, and it's really no surprise it took this long to get him.

You do know that was another infamous gaffe by the former President right? I mean I'm sure he wished he caught the guy, but Bush opened his mouth and well now people like you are running around posting that on every, single bin Laden thread you can find...

It's not our fault there are those that would like to give Bush all the credit, and take any from Obama.

Don't dish it out unless you can take it.

[Myrensis]

If the Pakistani security forces told me the sun was going to rise tommorow, I would have to call NASA to confirm it.

[Mike the Progressive]

You do know that was another infamous gaffe by the former President right? I mean I'm sure he wished he caught the guy, but Bush opened his mouth and well now people like you are running around posting that on every, single bin Laden thread you can find...

It's not our fault there are those that would like to give Bush all the credit, and take any from Obama.

Don't dish it out unless you can take it.

Bush deserves some credit, but it was Obama's go ahead that gave way to the success of this operation. But you are distorting truth in an effort to portray Bush as this guy who didn't want to catch Osama, who didn't try, and was glad he failed so the American people could hate him even more. Reality is it was incompetence, not an intentional "I don't give a fuck" mentality.

[Tryhearts]

civility does not exist, its just an idea that we like to think is real

[Maurepas]

It's not our fault there are those that would like to give Bush all the credit, and take any from Obama.

Don't dish it out unless you can take it.

Bush deserves some credit, but it was Obama's go ahead that gave way to the success of this operation. But you are distorting truth in an effort to portray Bush as this guy who didn't want to catch Osama, who didn't try, and was glad he failed so the American people could hate him even more. Reality is it was incompetence, not an intentional "I don't give a fuck" mentality.

I think his incompetence showed in deciding to focus on Iraq rather than Afghanistan for reasons only known to himself and his administration.

That quote signifies that move quite well, and the article lays it out pretty well too.

[Mike the Progressive]

That's the credibility you are using? That the ISI which has so far shown itself to be an organization of corrupt, inbreeds unable (or unwilling) to capture the guy, whom they are receiving millions if not billions in US funds to capture with, living 35 miles from their capitol; and his 12 year old daughter?

Shirley, you must be joking and cannot be so obtuse to ignore such a little thing called 'bias?'

It's not that some part of ISI is corrupt that the entire organisation is corrupt. The CIA and any other similar service of any country are partly corrupt too. They all do things which are unethical and unlawful.

Beside, the American government said that Bin Laden was unarmed too. This is raising the question why there was a need to execute him.

*Sigh* Again, we don't know what he tried to do, we don't know if he tried to grab a gun, or if he tried to grab whatever....you are basing your assumptions of some weird, bizarre plot that belongs in a Jason Bourne movie crossed with an episode of 24. Your sources are, as you said, a corrupt intelligence service, and a 12 year old girl of the guy's daughter -both of which have a bias or reason to lie.

But of course, it can't be that. They can't be lying. It has to be a cover up to satisfy some attempt at grandeur for "realizing" a delusional theory...or excuse me, cover up.

[Mike the Progressive]

Bush deserves some credit, but it was Obama's go ahead that gave way to the success of this operation. But you are distorting truth in an effort to portray Bush as this guy who didn't want to catch Osama, who didn't try, and was glad he failed so the American people could hate him even more. Reality is it was incompetence, not an intentional "I don't give a fuck" mentality.

I think his incompetence showed in deciding to focus on Iraq rather than Afghanistan for reasons only known to himself and his administration.

That quote signifies that move quite well, and the article lays it out pretty well too.

I don't disagree, but your quote is making it seem like it was intentional. It wasn't. He was just a fool.

[Rambhutan]

Oh ffs, if that is your idea of all the evidence you need to conclude that all this is fake then you are a conspiracy nut.

No, I'm not. Here in the internet, we have an expression: "pics or it didn't happen". There were no pics, and now the body has been mysteriously buried at sea. The burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim - in this case, the claim that OBL has been killed. This burden has not been satisfied.

Pictures are not proof of death any more than the DNA test. The burden of proof is on the person making extraordinary claims, in this case you, you are simply making an argument of personal disbelief because you personally don't see a reason for burial at sea. How this leads to the claim that a raid which was tweeted live, that lead to the death of Bin Laden - al Qaeda belive it (not your kind of read apparently, though that seems more like refusing to acknowledge any evidence that doesn't agree with your conspiracy theory) - was somehow a massive conspiracy to cover up who knows what rather than something that actually took place.

[Rowandel]

So after ten years, billions of dollars and thousands of lives lost, we've managed to kill one old man.

Mission Accomplished!

So... If we had killed Hitler, it wouldn't have been a big deal?

[Andaluciae]

It's not that some part of ISI is corrupt that the entire organisation is corrupt. The CIA and any other similar service of any country are partly corrupt too. They all do things which are unethical and unlawful.

Beside, the American government said that Bin Laden was unarmed too. This is raising the question why there was a need to execute him.

*Sigh* Again, we don't know what he tried to do, we don't know if he tried to grab a gun, or if he tried to grab whatever....you are basing your assumptions of some weird, bizarre plot that belongs in a Jason Bourne movie crossed with an episode of 24. Your sources are, as you said, a corrupt intelligence service, and a 12 year old girl of the guy's daughter -both of which have a bias or reason to lie.

But of course, it can't be that. They can't be lying. It has to be a cover up to satisfy some attempt at grandeur for "realizing" a delusional theory...or excuse me, cover up.

Let's also not forget where he was shot, and the description of the photos--he was shot in the face, and according to testimony about the photos, the top of his brains are exposed--not exactly what you'd expect from an execution style killing--but exactly what you would expect if you were to shoot a really fucking tall dude when he's standing up somewhere.

[Myrensis]

Bush deserves some credit, but it was Obama's go ahead that gave way to the success of this operation. But you are distorting truth in an effort to portray Bush as this guy who didn't want to catch Osama, who didn't try, and was glad he failed so the American people could hate him even more. Reality is it was incompetence, not an intentional "I don't give a fuck" mentality.

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

[The Alma Mater]

*Sigh* Again, we don't know what he tried to do, we don't know if he tried to grab a gun, or if he tried to grab whatever....you are basing your assumptions of some weird, bizarre plot that belongs in a Jason Bourne movie crossed with an episode of 24. Your sources are, as you said, a corrupt intelligence service, and a 12 year old girl of the guy's daughter -both of which have a bias or reason to lie.

But of course, it can't be that. They can't be lying. It has to be a cover up to satisfy some attempt at grandeur for "realizing" a delusional theory...or excuse me, cover up.

Let's also not forget where he was shot, and the description of the photos--he was shot in the face, and according to testimony about the photos, the top of his brains are exposed--not exactly what you'd expect from an execution style killing--but exactly what you would expect if you were to shoot a really fucking tall dude when he's standing up somewhere.

if the face was mutilated already, there was no reason to give him a sea burial according to the Islamic burial rules.
So bad Obama. Bad.

[Andaluciae]

Let's also not forget where he was shot, and the description of the photos--he was shot in the face, and according to testimony about the photos, the top of his brains are exposed--not exactly what you'd expect from an execution style killing--but exactly what you would expect if you were to shoot a really fucking tall dude when he's standing up somewhere.

if the face was mutilated already, there was no reason to give him a sea burial according to the Islamic burial rules.
So bad Obama. Bad.

Eh?

I'm not finding any reference to face-related issues, other than that the deceased should be:

"624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.

625. * The expenses of lowering the dead body into the sea, or making the grave solid on the ground can be deducted from the estate of the deceased, if necessary."

[Mike the Progressive]

*Sigh* Again, we don't know what he tried to do, we don't know if he tried to grab a gun, or if he tried to grab whatever....you are basing your assumptions of some weird, bizarre plot that belongs in a Jason Bourne movie crossed with an episode of 24. Your sources are, as you said, a corrupt intelligence service, and a 12 year old girl of the guy's daughter -both of which have a bias or reason to lie.

But of course, it can't be that. They can't be lying. It has to be a cover up to satisfy some attempt at grandeur for "realizing" a delusional theory...

The US government admitted too that he was unarmed.

What's their advantage 'to lie' about this?

Yes, he was unarmed, big fucking deal. Did you not read what I said earlier? How do you know he wasn't grabbing for something? How do you know somebody else in the house or even in the room wasn't armed? Yes, ignoring the ISI and the 12 yr. old girl's comments.

Oh right, I forgot. When you storm a compound in a hostile area looking after a guy who is responsible for the death of at least 3,000 civilians, you gently burst into a room, though not too hard since you obviously don't want to startle anyone or damage anything; followed by a search of the room, once you gain the written consent of those inside; and after spending about two and a half hours doing this, then you go into "serious" mode and start shooting everybody. That's not how it happens or works. I repeat "NOT HOW IT HAPPENS."

Imagine you are a navy seal, landing in a compound, you are moving through a dark hallway, you hear noises, shots are fired, you shoot back, you burst into a room and you see the target, he looks like he's grabbing for something, you are unclear of what, so you take the shot knowing that if it's a gun or bomb, it's going to be you.

That's how it happens. Okay? It's not some gentle, take your time kind of shit. It's quick, it's stressful, and you don't take a chance, especially with a guy like this. Because you don't know what he is going to do.

[Maurepas]

So after ten years, billions of dollars and thousands of lives lost, we've managed to kill one old man.

Mission Accomplished!

So... If we had killed Hitler, it wouldn't have been a big deal?

Well the Soviets ended up getting him. I guess it would be a big deal, because a deal was made to let them have Berlin in return for helping us in the Pacific, which they never got around to doing.

[Rowandel]

If the Pakistani security forces told me the sun was going to rise tommorow, I would have to call NASA to confirm it.

Amen, brother.