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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Sorgan » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:45 am

I'm going to say Democratic Corporatism?

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:47 am

Turkish Federation wrote:A Benevolent Dictatorship until the population is smart enough to elect convenient leaders.


Emm... no.

Turkish Federation wrote:Then Democratic Socialism.


Fine with me. :clap:
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Turkish Federation » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:55 am

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Turkish Federation wrote:A Benevolent Dictatorship until the population is smart enough to elect convenient leaders.


Emm... no.


Turkey had a one-party system during its foundation. There were elections, but they were designed to elect leaders and MPs from the party. There were several attempts by that party itself to create opposition, but they failed, because they were too unpopular or there was an Islamist insurrection going on (a.k.a State emergency).

After WWII, in 1946, the Democrat Party (DP), a new party, ran for the elections. For the first time a multiparty election was done. In 1950, they crushed the old party. And then started what I call the dark age of Turkish politics, which resulted in three coups (+1 called post-modern), economic instability, widespread corruption, rise of Islamism, educational downfall et cetera.

If the multi-party system was established way later, in the 1970s, so that the populations was better educated and more politically aware, they would not elect such awful leaders.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:05 am

Turkish Federation wrote:Turkey had a one-party system during its foundation. There were elections, but they were designed to elect leaders and MPs from the party. There were several attempts by that party itself to create opposition, but they failed, because they were too unpopular or there was an Islamist insurrection going on (a.k.a State emergency).

After WWII, in 1946, the Democrat Party (DP), a new party, ran for the elections. For the first time a multiparty election was done. In 1950, they crushed the old party. And then started what I call the dark age of Turkish politics, which resulted in three coups (+1 called post-modern), economic instability, widespread corruption, rise of Islamism, educational downfall et cetera.

If the multi-party system was established way later, in the 1970s, so that the populations was better educated and more politically aware, they would not elect such awful leaders.

See?


Like communism, your point makes perfect sense... on paper. But a party or government must account for what I call the "stupid factor" and adjust around it to fit their [but ultimately the people's (if that doesn't sound too naive)] needs.
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Islamic Northumbria
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Islamic Northumbria » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:14 am

Islamic Theocracy

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Postby Lizardiar » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:16 am

Democracy.....That's right, I said it.
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Postby Hyperactive Snowsleds » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:33 am

Lianhe wrote:I would like to know what type of governmental system you think is.

Personally, I'd think ruling by the numbers is the right way to go. :p

But, if the calculations and statistics go out of hand, there's nothing that helps. The best government is the government that the citizens favor most. They have peace, we have peace. Yay!
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Kynchile » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:48 am

A representative democratic republic is what I favor since goverment is a necessary evil.

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Postby Hyperactive Snowsleds » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:54 am

Or anarchy- I dunno.
"By anytime, where the mathematical numbers cannot void, I'm the only one who does everything by the numbers. The mathematical inference on the vector field in which the gradient seems to decrease in change all the time. However, taking that the axioms of each number are in correspondance of (s(x+1)int inf to 0 (x+6^n-y")+y), complex solutions must only be found in the Mandelbrot Set."- Me at a true mathematical system. "Kill me..." My peer back in middle school.

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Postby Pope Joan » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:54 am

Tribalism.

Close ties mean that you have to work out all differences, even if it is painful to do so.

"Can there be an enlightened tribalism? This ... must not be a dogma but a topic for free investigation. To what extent should each people be encouraged to develop its own ethic in its own land? Is bioethical tribalism compatible with international cooperation in ecology, infectious disease control and the like? Need we all have the same definition of "the beginning of life", "brain death", etc., or is it healthy that each culture has its own definition? May one nation violate the sovereignty of another to protect human rights? Or should humanitarian non-violent intervention be permitted but not military and police?"

The author implies that this is at least an open question.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:55 am

Pope Joan wrote:Tribalism.

Close ties mean that you have to work out all differences, even if it is painful to do so.

Painful here meaning potentially deadly.
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Postby Hyperactive Snowsleds » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:55 am

This is gonna be nasty.
"By anytime, where the mathematical numbers cannot void, I'm the only one who does everything by the numbers. The mathematical inference on the vector field in which the gradient seems to decrease in change all the time. However, taking that the axioms of each number are in correspondance of (s(x+1)int inf to 0 (x+6^n-y")+y), complex solutions must only be found in the Mandelbrot Set."- Me at a true mathematical system. "Kill me..." My peer back in middle school.

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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Surote » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:58 am

Any type as long as the leaders in the best interst of the population
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Pope Joan » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:00 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:Tribalism.

Close ties mean that you have to work out all differences, even if it is painful to do so.

Painful here meaning potentially deadly.


TRIBALISM, ENLIGHTENED: Tribalism is loyalty to one's own local extended family, community and culture. Unenlightened tribalism is xenophobic, and resists any understanding, love or moral responsibility towards the rest of the world. Universalism emphasises the global culture, internationally shared values and solidarity of all humans. But universalism ignores the unique contributions to spirituality, culture and bioethics of local and tribal cultures. Enlightened Tribalism strives to combine the best of Tribalism and Universalism, developing relationships among family and neighbours, developing local spirituality, while recognising our moral duties towards, and solidarity with the rest of the world, and while being open to learning from other cultures

http://www.bioscience-bioethics.org/t.htm

This seems to be something being put forward lately by bioethicists.
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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:07 am

A best form of government i don't know the best form of government.
It depends on too many factors, too many things going on, far too many.

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Postby Hyperactive Snowsleds » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:19 am

Anarchy = war.
"By anytime, where the mathematical numbers cannot void, I'm the only one who does everything by the numbers. The mathematical inference on the vector field in which the gradient seems to decrease in change all the time. However, taking that the axioms of each number are in correspondance of (s(x+1)int inf to 0 (x+6^n-y")+y), complex solutions must only be found in the Mandelbrot Set."- Me at a true mathematical system. "Kill me..." My peer back in middle school.

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Postby Pevisopolis » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:27 am

I've been thinking, and I think that the best economic system I can think of would incorporate the best of both worlds from Socialism and Capitalism, similar to Syndicalism. In this, you would have a market-based economy and a reasonable level of competitive pay, but in place of privately owned corporations and such, you've got more Co-Ops, syndicates, and companies run by Worker's self-management. In that, you would still have some healthy competition between business and more motivation to work harder, without the almost inhumane level of social and economic inequality that you find in modern and industrial capitalism. Unfortunately, I think this would be another of those easily exploited systems.
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Sibirsky » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:38 pm

Pevisopolis wrote:I've been thinking, and I think that the best economic system I can think of would incorporate the best of both worlds from Socialism and Capitalism, similar to Syndicalism. In this, you would have a market-based economy and a reasonable level of competitive pay, but in place of privately owned corporations and such, you've got more Co-Ops, syndicates, and companies run by Worker's self-management. In that, you would still have some healthy competition between business and more motivation to work harder, without the almost inhumane level of social and economic inequality that you find in modern and industrial capitalism. Unfortunately, I think this would be another of those easily exploited systems.


If the companies are run by the workers wouldn't the workers keep giving themselves more and more pay, eventually making the business uncompetitive?
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Postby Bluth Corporation » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:46 pm

The form of government is irrelevant; it's a means to an end, not an end in itself. All that matters--and the sole factor in determining a government's moral legitimacy--is what it does.
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Postby Cheztope » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:51 pm

A robocracy! robots could be programmed to do what's best for the nation and lead it! The only downside is that they will start to think and it will turn into a will smith movie :P

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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Sibirsky » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:53 pm

Cheztope wrote:A robocracy! robots could be programmed to do what's best for the nation and lead it! The only downside is that they will start to think and it will turn into a will smith movie :P

:rofl: Who programs these robots?
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Postby Cheztope » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:56 pm

Another robot! That's the beauty of the plan!

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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Sibirsky » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:01 pm

Cheztope wrote:Another robot! That's the beauty of the plan!


Who programs the very first robot that programs another government robot?
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Postby Rockin Horse » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:03 pm

Cheztope wrote:A robocracy! robots could be programmed to do what's best for the nation and lead it! The only downside is that they will start to think and it will turn into a will smith movie :P



Terminator, I think you mean. Unless you mean I, Robot.

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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Leviticus Isles » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:07 pm

I think Anarchy is stupid and all Govt. is stupid, so lets all just drink Kool-Aid! Some of you are old enough to know what I'm talking about.

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