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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby The Phoenix Milita » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:21 pm

As has been said the best form is a benevolent dictatorship. But it is not really achievable. Sure you might be able to get one truly benevolent dictator, but how can you be sure his successor will be, too much room for corruption. For now a democratic republic seems to be the best of the alternatives.

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Postby Free Soviets » Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:37 am

Sibirsky wrote:Any economic book I pick up pushes me further and further right. I don't have any further right to go, yet if I read a book on economics I get pushed right.

given that most economists are social democrats of one sort or another, i think this means you aren't reading very representative books on economics

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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Sibirsky » Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:43 am

Free Soviets wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Any economic book I pick up pushes me further and further right. I don't have any further right to go, yet if I read a book on economics I get pushed right.

given that most economists are social democrats of one sort or another, i think this means you aren't reading very representative books on economics


Perhaps most economists in the government, but not most.
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Postby Free Soviets » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:09 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Any economic book I pick up pushes me further and further right. I don't have any further right to go, yet if I read a book on economics I get pushed right.

given that most economists are social democrats of one sort or another, i think this means you aren't reading very representative books on economics

Perhaps most economists in the government, but not most.

no, most economists that publish economics papers and grad students who will replace them. there have been a number of surveys demonstrating this. in USia the plurality are democrats, and the majority vote democrat. nearly half self-identify as liberal in the USian sense on a radical-liberal-moderate-conservative scale, with 'moderate' cleaning up the bulk of the rest. they tend to be less far left than their poli sci and sociology academic neighbors, but they are by no means either traditionally right wing or raging liberts. those form the smallest portions of the profession, actually.
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Libt » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:13 am

Panarchism.

You know... Panarchism!

Sigh, okay, here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panarchism

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Postby Jakra » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:14 am

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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Sibirsky » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:15 am

Libt wrote:Panarchism.

You know... Panarchism!

Sigh, okay, here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panarchism


Wow. That is new to me.
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Sibirsky » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:16 am

Free Soviets wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:given that most economists are social democrats of one sort or another, i think this means you aren't reading very representative books on economics

Perhaps most economists in the government, but not most.

no, most economists that publish economics papers and grad students who will replace them. there have been a number of surveys demonstrating this. in USia the plurality are democrats, and the majority vote democrat. nearly half self-identify as liberal in the USian sense on a radical-liberal-moderate-conservative scale, with 'moderate' cleaning up the bulk of the rest. they tend to be less far left than their poli sci and sociology academic neighbors, but they are by no means either traditionally right wing or raging liberts. those form the smallest portions of the profession, actually.


Ok. I got two books I am about to read. On economics, we'll see where those guys lean.
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:17 am

GetBert wrote:
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Funktocracy.


And we all know who the President of a Funkocracy would be don't we?

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Postby Pevisopolis » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:24 am

Libt wrote:Panarchism.

You know... Panarchism!

Sigh, okay, here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panarchism

oh, wow... this appeals to me.
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Despoticania » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:27 am

Libertarianism sucks so much... The only true form of governemnt is a benevolent dictatorship. The vast majority of people are simply not competent enough to rule themselves.
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Sibirsky » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:29 am

Despoticania wrote:Libertarianism sucks so much... The only true form of governemnt is a benevolent dictatorship. The vast majority of people are simply not competent enough to rule themselves.


Stop talking shit. Just because you are incapable of ruling yourself doesn't mean we aren't either.
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Altergo » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:32 am

Capitalism, Roman Republic, Greek Democracy or the good side of Communism

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Postby Tybra » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:36 am

I favour enlightened despotism with democratic elements. Though the democratic elements would have little influence into the actual functioning of the government but would elect a council of sorts which gives advice.
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Despoticania » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:37 am

Tybra wrote:I favour enlightened despotism with democratic elements. Though the democratic elements would have little influence into the actual functioning of the government but would elect a council of sorts which gives advice.


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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby The Macabees » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:55 am

Although I think that the ideal form of government would be anarchism, I also believe that government will inevitably be formed by society. Lately, since attending Cato University 2009 and listening to the lectures by Tibor Machan, I have become more inclined towards minarchism, although I believe that Robert Higgs' "ratchet effect" will apply in any case.

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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby The Macabees » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:56 am

Free Soviets wrote:given that most economists are social democrats of one sort or another, i think this means you aren't reading very representative books on economics


This is a fallacy.

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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Sibirsky » Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:04 am

The Macabees wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:given that most economists are social democrats of one sort or another, i think this means you aren't reading very representative books on economics


This is a fallacy.


Thank you. Good luck tonight.
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Postby Rothbardia-Camusia » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:40 pm

The Macabees wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:given that most economists are social democrats of one sort or another, i think this means you aren't reading very representative books on economics


This is a fallacy.


Quite specifically, ad populum fallacy.
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Vetalia » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:50 pm

Depends. If I'm the leader:

Old school despotism. No contest. None of that "enlightened" or "benevolent" bullshit, just straight up despotism and rule by decree. If I want to cut taxes and reform land ownership, it happens. If I want to build a gigantic house in the middle of a densely populated city or sent troops to attack the ocean, it happens.

Otherwise, I'll stick with what's safest and keep liberal democracy.
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Postby Red Guard Revisionists » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:48 am

Libt wrote:Panarchism.

You know... Panarchism!

Sigh, okay, here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panarchism
wow i had been thinking along the same lines, but i didn't realize it was a political idea that had 150 year history. i think voluntary association with governments or quasi government that don't occupy contiguous territory or any territory at all is a fascinating idea... i just didn't know it had a name.

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Postby Apertior » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:00 am

Despoticania wrote:Libertarianism sucks so much... The only true form of governemnt is a benevolent dictatorship. The vast majority of people are simply not competent enough to rule themselves.

Just because most people are too stupid to know what's best for them doesn't mean they shouldn't choose for themselves anyway.
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Despoticania » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:40 am

Apertior wrote:Just because most people are too stupid to know what's best for them doesn't mean they shouldn't choose for themselves anyway.


Of course. This is why a "benevolent dictatorship" is the key.

Tybra wrote:I favour enlightened despotism with democratic elements. Though the democratic elements would have little influence into the actual functioning of the government but would elect a council of sorts which gives advice.


This is exactly how I feel the government should fuction... Certainly it is be very hard to actually find such a government in history, at least really benevolent dictatorships are rather few in number and far in-between... But who knows, perhaps enlightened absolutism makes a comeback in the future.

Like I state in my signature; "God was a dream of good government." So true.
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Re: Best Form of Government

Postby Turkish Federation » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:44 am

A Benevolent Dictatorship until the population is smart enough to elect convenient leaders.

Then Democratic Socialism.
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