Best Form of Government

[City of Norfolk]

The Best Government can satisfy everybody's wants and needs. Unfortunately there is no such government.

as much as I'd hate to agree with a communist, I'd have to totally agree

[Rothbardia-Camusia]

I've noticed that plenty of "Conservative Talk Radio" free market types tend to simplify their description of capitalism to the point that it would only be a decent description of a small flea market.

Ha. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh, then, and read Mises, Spooner, or Rothbard. You're obviously not genuinely interested in hearing convincing arguments if you're going to the Christian right to find them.

[SemiSovereignties]

A dictatorship.

[Pevisopolis]

Does the fact that the standard of living is almost directly proportionaly correlated to the degree of economic freedom a society has seem like a bizarre coincidence to you? How about China's growth of the past 30 years? Is the fact that they started implementing capitalism seem like coincidence also? The economic failures of communism, lead it to fail as a government.

China, although being ruled over by the communist party, is one of the embodiments of the free market in the world. Look just how shitty the lives of average Chinese are.

I'm in agreement that Capitalism is always a more efficient economic system than Socialism, but that's not to say I endorse it.

No, it's not. The Chinese utilize Taiwan as a market signal for state-distribution. Taiwan is the only area of the country that experiences anything comparable to western mercantilism, and even that, as I've said before, is not capitalism. You can't just slap the term "Capitalism" on anything that generates suffering. China is not a capitalist nation--in fact, it has no potential to be, because it's a nation.

I wasn't saying china is capitalist because there is suffering there, I was calling it "Capitalist" because it has a very free market economy, although most business there is outsourced from America. Notice how everything tends to say "Made in China"? Even, as conservapedia puts it, its "Vibrant, Thriving Economy", and you know they're bound to be biased towards Capitalist economics.

[Chenla]

Governance == Coercion
Coercion == Force
Force == Violence

No government is a good government.

Government can be useful and constructive in society much like a knife that is useful in cooking, Government can be destructive as a knife when it's used to kill.

[Sibirsky]

I've noticed that plenty of "Conservative Talk Radio" free market types tend to simplify their description of capitalism to the point that it would only be a decent description of a small flea market.

Ha. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh, then, and read Mises, Spooner, or Rothbard. You're obviously not genuinely interested in hearing convincing arguments if you're going to the Christian right to find them.

Murray Rothbard is such a rare find at the library. Got tons of Keynes around here though

[Kantria]

My support goes to any government that supports culling all of humanity.

Hahahaha! Nihilism is cool!

"Nihilism" is not a synonym for misanthropy.

[Pevisopolis]

Does the fact that the standard of living is almost directly proportionaly correlated to the degree of economic freedom a society has seem like a bizarre coincidence to you? How about China's growth of the past 30 years? Is the fact that they started implementing capitalism seem like coincidence also? The economic failures of communism, lead it to fail as a government.

China, although being ruled over by the communist party, is one of the embodiments of the free market in the world. Look just how shitty the lives of average Chinese are.

I'm in agreement that Capitalism is always a more efficient economic system than Socialism, but that's not to say I endorse it.

Of course it' shitty! But look at the improvement they've had. Hundreds of millions lifted out of poverty. If you agree that capitalism is more efficient that socialism, why do you not endorse it?

Rampant social inequality. Massive government corruption in relation to the highest payer. The horrible conditions that pissed off Marx and Engels enough to write the Manifesto still exist in many countries with factories and other means of production outsourced there.

[Sibirsky]

China, although being ruled over by the communist party, is one of the embodiments of the free market in the world. Look just how shitty the lives of average Chinese are.

I'm in agreement that Capitalism is always a more efficient economic system than Socialism, but that's not to say I endorse it.

Of course it' shitty! But look at the improvement they've had. Hundreds of millions lifted out of poverty. If you agree that capitalism is more efficient that socialism, why do you not endorse it?

Rampant social inequality. Massive government corruption in relation to the highest payer. The horrible conditions that pissed off Marx and Engels enough to write the Manifesto still exist in many countries with factories and other means of production outsourced there.

And that is because of...?? Who? Perhaps the Communist Party in power? You confuse the hell out of me. It's almost like you disagree with yourself.

[Cameroi]

the best form of government hasn't been invented yet.
there will always be something better then anything anyone has ever as yet thought of.
every time we come up with a better one there will be a better then that one yet to come up with.

i think its really ridiculous the ones people are so emotionally attached to that they're willing to kill each other for. not just ridiculous but collectively and individually insane.

of course it would mostly keep out of people's way, while at the same time helping to keep them from freezing, starving, or beating each other over the head. it would also at the same time keep the 'trains' running 'on time' and inexpensively, and protect the environment by insuring infrastructure be kept compatible with it. and secretly optimize population levels with fertility factors in air, food and water.

it wouldn't always do exactly what people thought they wanted but it certainly wouldn't be killing them, and would even try, within reason, to avoid pissing them off. it would always do what would maximize survival AND gratification for ALL of humanity, and where possible, beyond that even, the entire web of life.

it would maximize local autonomy while at the same time, have an institution with sufficient teeth, at the planetary level and beyond, to ensure that sovereign entities 'played nice'.

[Rothbardia-Camusia]

I wasn't saying china is capitalist because there is suffering there, I was calling it "Capitalist" because it has a very free market economy, although most business there is outsourced from America. Notice how everything tends to say "Made in China"? Even, as conservapedia puts it, its "Vibrant, Thriving Economy", and you know they're bound to be biased towards Capitalist economics.

Taiwan makes up almost a quarter of China's GDP. What you're perceiving as the bane of capitalism is really an authoritarian implementation of mercantalist economic policies in the same fashion as the re-privatization of the Soviet agriculture. China's not a communist nation: just another authoritarian state. Also, genuine capitalist ideologies are not particularly common. Most wealthy business men I've come across maintain socialist ideologies to compensate for their being wealthy business men. Your suspicion of Wikipedia may be founded, but based purely on assumption--I doubt it.

[The Karmic Isles]

You cant really say any of them are, for example:

Communism in a utopian world would be a good system, everyone essentialy equal, but in the world that we live in that is a horrible system becauses it is easily corrupted, and when corrupt and leader can use the system to create atrocities they couldnt otherwise.

Capitalism is a good system that generally works in the real world, but it too has its drawbacks (Jennifer government being an example, not sucking up to the creator or anything lol) with globalization and the chance for companies to become more powerful than governments and start creating their own laws

Those are the main two at this time but neither of them is perfect, but i think the best one would be one with leaders who do actually serve their people, have actual power to make change, and have the ability to reason with the people and who can make difficult decisions and can deak with the consequences. A good leader could make any system work... or destroy it

Jennifer Government doesn't portray pure capitalism. Notice that the protagonist's name is Jennifer Government.

That was less evidence for me to use and more another bad attempt of mine to be funny, that obviously didnt work lol, i do apologise

[Rothbardia-Camusia]

My support goes to any government that supports culling all of humanity.

Hahahaha! Nihilism is cool!

"Nihilism" is not a synonym for misanthropy.

Extreme relativism and nihilism are to blame for all the modern hip misanthropic attitudes.

[The Imperial Navy]

If not Optimus Prime, perhaps this?

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj75 ... orris1.jpg

[Rothbardia-Camusia]

Rampant social inequality. Massive government corruption in relation to the highest payer. The horrible conditions that pissed off Marx and Engels enough to write the Manifesto still exist in many countries with factories and other means of production outsourced there.

No. The ratio of high to low class salaries in America floats around 14 : 1.

The ratio in late 19th century Russia, between the society circle and the muzhiks, is estimated at 5000 : 1.

[Pevisopolis]

And that is because of...?? Who? Perhaps the Communist Party in power? You confuse the hell out of me. It's almost like you disagree with yourself.

if they were communist, why would they let in foreign capitalists?

[Sibirsky]

And that is because of...?? Who? Perhaps the Communist Party in power? You confuse the hell out of me. It's almost like you disagree with yourself.

if they were communist, why would they let in foreign capitalists?

Not pure, we already established that. But go and try to buy some land in China

[Pevisopolis]

And that is because of...?? Who? Perhaps the Communist Party in power? You confuse the hell out of me. It's almost like you disagree with yourself.

if they were communist, why would they let in foreign capitalists?

Not pure, we already established that. But go and try to buy some land in China

I'd need huge amounts of money already to do that. Exactly the same reason that keeps me from being immensely successful here in the states.

Really, America seems to run on the idea of "Get rich or die trying". Unfortunately, overwhelming odds dictate that you'll probably die trying. Another problem I have, I suppose, is inheritance. Sure, Sam Walton worked his ass off, but what did his surviving family do to deserve all their money?

[Yenke-Bin]

Politics isn't a science, ya know? You can't simply say one form of political representation is better than another. We have seen in some places where monarchies, or dictatorships work out well. In some countries democracy and republican government work well. Its not across the board that one system is inherently better than the other, which is why the neo-con fantasy of bringing Democracy to the world is full of fail.

[Sibirsky]

if they were communist, why would they let in foreign capitalists?

Not pure, we already established that. But go and try to buy some land in China

I'd need huge amounts of money already to do that. Exactly the same reason that keeps me from being immensely successful here in the states.

Really, America seems to run on the idea of "Get rich or die trying". Unfortunately, overwhelming odds dictate that you'll probably die trying. Another problem I have, I suppose, is inheritance. Sure, Sam Walton worked his ass off, but what did his surviving family do to deserve all their money?

What did the Waltons do? Nothing. They inherited it. As far as buying land in China, you're not allowed to.

[The Romulan Republic]

An omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent dictator (ie, God) would be ideal, but as such does not exist so far as we can tell, and certainly would not be anything remotely human, I'm going to say direct democracy within strict Constitutional limitations.

[Heinleinites]

Read this, this, and this and get back to me. Also, perusal of this might not hurt, either.

Any economic book I pick up pushes me further and further right. I don't have any further right to go, yet if I read a book on economics I get pushed right.

Those first three books should be given to every high-school freshman in the country. And they shouldn't be allowed to graduate until they can prove they've read them.

[Sibirsky]

Read this, this, and this and get back to me. Also, perusal of this might not hurt, either.

Any economic book I pick up pushes me further and further right. I don't have any further right to go, yet if I read a book on economics I get pushed right.

Those first three books should be given to every high-school freshman in the country. And they shouldn't be allowed to graduate until they can prove they've read them.

How I wish that was true. Instead they are more likely to read this and spend us into oblivion...

[Heinleinites]

How I wish that was true. Instead they are more likely to read this and spend us into oblivion...

Given who runs the public schools, what do you expect?

[Wilgrove]

Libertarianism.