Best Form of Government

[Anarchic-Marxist]

A Dictatorship ran by me.

In the words of my dad, 'Different kinds of government/economy are best for who you are in society. Socialism is best for the Poor, Capitalism for the rich, and dictatorship for the despot.'

Nicely said....Anarcho-Syndicalism yeah i love that more then communism.

see my flag:)

[Sibirsky]

"True Communism" isn't terribly different from the anarchism you advocated earlier in the thread, nor does it call for a violent revolution. They're, of course, equally untenable.

Marx and Lenin both called for a violent overthrow of the ruling bourgeoisie. I called for anarcho-capitalism. A contractual society. Individuals own the means of production. Extensive property rights. So, I would say there are substantial differences. Communism, just doesn't work. Very little incentive to make it work.

Marx and Lenin aren't the be all and end all of communism, anyway.

I was responding to a poster who called for Marxism-Leninism.

[The Imperial Navy]

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This.

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[Anarchic-Marxist]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n158/Kounetsu_2006/PresidentOptimusPrime.jpg

This.

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hahahahaha

[Pevisopolis]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n158/Kounetsu_2006/PresidentOptimusPrime.jpg

This.

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Gravity Cat 2012

[Rothbardia-Camusia]

Governance == Coercion
Coercion == Force
Force == Violence

No government is a good government.

[Heinleinites]

well me and estainia think communism is the best form of government and what make capitalism so great

Read this, this, and this and get back to me. Also, perusal of this might not hurt, either.

[Shevekia]

Best = Least amount of structured power(since power structures are always self serving)and maximum amount of productivity

That means no permanent rule by capital, majority, socially high-standing people, despots or anything else.

The best form of government would be the form that non-violently swapped forms of government every year or so.

That or Demarchy

Or maybe I'll just stick with Optimus

[Anarchic-Marxist]

well me and estainia think communism is the best form of government and what make capitalism so great

Read this, this, and this and get back to me. Also, perusal of this might not hurt, either.

hahaha i like the last one it true

[Pevisopolis]

Governance == Coercion
Coercion == Force
Force == Violence

No government is a good government.

who's to say Corporations and other such capitalist institutions are above that?

[Rothbardia-Camusia]

Governance == Coercion
Coercion == Force
Force == Violence

No government is a good government.

who's to say Corporations and other such capitalist institutions are above that?

The current corporate structure is a product of mercantilism. You've never seen capitalism.

[Sibirsky]

Does the fact that the standard of living is almost directly proportionaly correlated to the degree of economic freedom a society has seem like a bizarre coincidence to you? How about China's growth of the past 30 years? Is the fact that they started implementing capitalism seem like coincidence also? The economic failures of communism, lead it to fail as a government.

[Beachchairs]

My support goes to any government that supports culling all of humanity.

[South Lorenya]

Governance == Coercion
Coercion == Force
Force == Violence

No government is a good government.

Does that you mean you support somalia's lack of government?

[The Karmic Isles]

You cant really say any of them are, for example:

Communism in a utopian world would be a good system, everyone essentialy equal, but in the world that we live in that is a horrible system becauses it is easily corrupted, and when corrupt and leader can use the system to create atrocities they couldnt otherwise.

Capitalism is a good system that generally works in the real world, but it too has its drawbacks (Jennifer government being an example, not sucking up to the creator or anything lol) with globalization and the chance for companies to become more powerful than governments and start creating their own laws

Those are the main two at this time but neither of them is perfect, but i think the best one would be one with leaders who do actually serve their people, have actual power to make change, and have the ability to reason with the people and who can make difficult decisions and can deak with the consequences. A good leader could make any system work... or destroy it

[Rothbardia-Camusia]

My support goes to any government that supports culling all of humanity.

Hahahaha! Nihilism is cool!

[The Imperial Navy]

My support goes to any government that supports culling all of humanity.

We'll be sure to send them your way first

[Pevisopolis]

Does the fact that the standard of living is almost directly proportionaly correlated to the degree of economic freedom a society has seem like a bizarre coincidence to you? How about China's growth of the past 30 years? Is the fact that they started implementing capitalism seem like coincidence also? The economic failures of communism, lead it to fail as a government.

China, although being ruled over by the communist party, is one of the embodiments of the free market in the world. Look just how shitty the lives of average Chinese are.

I'm in agreement that Capitalism is always a more efficient economic system than Socialism, but that's not to say I endorse it.

[Rothbardia-Camusia]

You cant really say any of them are, for example:

Communism in a utopian world would be a good system, everyone essentialy equal, but in the world that we live in that is a horrible system becauses it is easily corrupted, and when corrupt and leader can use the system to create atrocities they couldnt otherwise.

Capitalism is a good system that generally works in the real world, but it too has its drawbacks (Jennifer government being an example, not sucking up to the creator or anything lol) with globalization and the chance for companies to become more powerful than governments and start creating their own laws

Those are the main two at this time but neither of them is perfect, but i think the best one would be one with leaders who do actually serve their people, have actual power to make change, and have the ability to reason with the people and who can make difficult decisions and can deak with the consequences. A good leader could make any system work... or destroy it

Jennifer Government doesn't portray pure capitalism. Notice that the protagonist's name is Jennifer Government.

[Sibirsky]

well me and estainia think communism is the best form of government and what make capitalism so great

Read this, this, and this and get back to me. Also, perusal of this might not hurt, either.

Any economic book I pick up pushes me further and further right. I don't have any further right to go, yet if I read a book on economics I get pushed right.

[Pevisopolis]

Governance == Coercion
Coercion == Force
Force == Violence

No government is a good government.

who's to say Corporations and other such capitalist institutions are above that?

The current corporate structure is a product of mercantilism. You've never seen capitalism.

The corporate structure is organized just like a centralized dictatorship, only you have various shareholders instead of a party.

I've noticed that plenty of "Conservative Talk Radio" free market types tend to simplify their description of capitalism to the point that it would only be a decent description of a small flea market.

[Pevisopolis]

You cant really say any of them are, for example:

Communism in a utopian world would be a good system, everyone essentialy equal, but in the world that we live in that is a horrible system becauses it is easily corrupted, and when corrupt and leader can use the system to create atrocities they couldnt otherwise.

Capitalism is a good system that generally works in the real world, but it too has its drawbacks (Jennifer government being an example, not sucking up to the creator or anything lol) with globalization and the chance for companies to become more powerful than governments and start creating their own laws

Those are the main two at this time but neither of them is perfect, but i think the best one would be one with leaders who do actually serve their people, have actual power to make change, and have the ability to reason with the people and who can make difficult decisions and can deak with the consequences. A good leader could make any system work... or destroy it

Jennifer Government doesn't portray pure capitalism. Notice that the protagonist's name is Jennifer Government.

so, it's rather a portrayal of authoritarian communism?

[Rothbardia-Camusia]

Does the fact that the standard of living is almost directly proportionaly correlated to the degree of economic freedom a society has seem like a bizarre coincidence to you? How about China's growth of the past 30 years? Is the fact that they started implementing capitalism seem like coincidence also? The economic failures of communism, lead it to fail as a government.

China, although being ruled over by the communist party, is one of the embodiments of the free market in the world. Look just how shitty the lives of average Chinese are.

I'm in agreement that Capitalism is always a more efficient economic system than Socialism, but that's not to say I endorse it.

No, it's not. The Chinese utilize Taiwan as a market signal for state-distribution. Taiwan is the only area of the country that experiences anything comparable to western mercantilism, and even that, as I've said before, is not capitalism. You can't just slap the term "Capitalism" on anything that generates suffering. China is not a capitalist nation--in fact, it has no potential to be, because it's a nation.

[Trippoli]

The Best Government can satisfy everybody's wants and needs. Unfortunately there is no such government.

[Sibirsky]

Does the fact that the standard of living is almost directly proportionaly correlated to the degree of economic freedom a society has seem like a bizarre coincidence to you? How about China's growth of the past 30 years? Is the fact that they started implementing capitalism seem like coincidence also? The economic failures of communism, lead it to fail as a government.

China, although being ruled over by the communist party, is one of the embodiments of the free market in the world. Look just how shitty the lives of average Chinese are.

I'm in agreement that Capitalism is always a more efficient economic system than Socialism, but that's not to say I endorse it.

Of course it' shitty! But look at the improvement they've had. Hundreds of millions lifted out of poverty. If you agree that capitalism is more efficient that socialism, why do you not endorse it?