Why Are People So Critical About Christian Beliefs

[Vermmeria]

Scientific theories get far more scrutiny than religious ones.

[Thyilea]

Christianity= Fair Game

Judaism= Big No-No
Islam= Big No-No

Get used to it.

[Saint Helier]

Christianity= Fair Game

Judaism= Big No-No
Islam= Big No-No

Get used to it.
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Ah, the victim card. How I missed you.

[Johz]

Abraham's sons include Ishmael, father of Islam. (Gen 16) Equally, Abraham's decendents also include Christians. Quite apart from the idea of the Messiah, who will, according to the Jews, defeat the forces of oppression.

Abraham's descendants DOESN'T include christians, unless they have jewish/arabic ancestors.
Which most of the roman empire didn't.

Well, as (in certain senses at least) Jews, they are. Jew = part of the tribe of Judah. So yes, they are part of his extended family. Adopted. That would have been perfectly acceptable to him.

Adam and Eve chose to be imperfect. We merely have to live with the product of the Fall, which includes relationships. I'm not even going to bother responding to your hypothetical what-ifs about what makes a gay person gay. I don't know, you don't know, medical science can only guess, so let's just assume it's not something we can discriminate against.

No.
Firstly, the hypotetical what-ifs or how you call them are asking how the fuck is that a byproduct of free will?
I could have equally asked for tuberculosis.
Secondly... Adam and Eve didn't choose to be imperfect. If anything, they choose to understand good and evil... gaining a capability is the *opposite* of imperfection. What about him punishing Eve with childbirth, as Bottle has pointed out? How was that a consequence?

Genesis 2 v 15-17, NCV: 'The LORD commanded [them], "You may eat the fruit from any tree in the garden, but you must not eat the fruit from the tree that gives the knowledge of good and evil. If you ever eat from fruit from that tree, you will die"'. I reckon it's fairly obvious. Equally, Gen 3 v 2-3 is along similar lines, from Eve's perspective.

So they've disobeyed God, so they have brought sin into the world, so as a result they must die, so as a result they need babies.

That ignores the point of a miracle, which is that it's impossible. And numerous Christians refute many miracles.

But without well-documented evidence, believing in something you know to be impossible is stupid.

I think Christians would consider the Bible 'well-documented evidence'...

Which was?

Anything since claiming god didn't lie.

Is that an inclusive 'since' or an exclusive 'since'?

[Thyilea]

Christianity= Fair Game

Judaism= Big No-No
Islam= Big No-No

Get used to it.
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Ah, the victim card. How I missed you.

Not really, just pointing out what I've seen. I am not a Christian.

[Saint Helier]

Ah, the victim card. How I missed you.

Not really, just pointing out what I've seen. I am not a Christian.

No, your just an islamophobic dickhead.

[Central Slavia]

Not really, just pointing out what I've seen. I am not a Christian.

No, your just an islamophobic dickhead.

So?
Islam is just as evil as any other religion.

[Thyilea]

Not really, just pointing out what I've seen. I am not a Christian.

No, your [sic] just an islamophobic dickhead.

What did you mean by "No" and what makes you think I'm Islamaphobic? I think the same of all religions. Please, elaborate (this time without losing your temper;))

[Frankastain]

um .....
1.
Abraham is the father of all Arabs ad Jews and a few other tribes that i cant recall of the top of my head i.e pretty much the entire middle east
Israel/Jacob is the father off the Israelites he is his grandchild if you like i am sure someone will show you the family tree (it is somewhere near the end of Genesis)
2
Muslims Jews and Christians believe in sons off the covenant
ie any one that in any of these the religion's is a son of Abraham

take your pick of which one you want to try they both work rather well if you count living and dead the passage indicates that you will as easily be able to count the sand on the beach or the stars in the sky happy counting

1) OK, how does the middle east comprise even a significant proportion of the world's population, much less the incredible numbers god has SWORE to bring forth?

2) Oh wow... i love this. It's like doctor saying to an impotent patient:
I swear you'll have lots of kids. I just define your kid as what's born when the neigbour fucks your wife.
Most christians are Romanic, Slavic, Anglo-Saxon people.. nothing Jewish or Arab there.

1.he told Abraham that he would not be able to count them if you thin one man with out any form of calculator could count every one in the middle east living and dead then i,d love to see it done
1.b the Jews scaterd across the globe at the near the hight of the roman empire nearly 2000 years ago all through Europe and even in to Asia prove that at one point in your ancestry amusing you are of eurapouen stock thier is no jew, on top of that this is not the first instance of jews fleeing and scattering acros the globe just the most historically verifiable based on it being over 2000 years more current history gets a little hard follow back then point you live that you are right whosoever you can not know you are right with out a deep a llong global gene analysis the very persuasion may have lead many half caste to deny Jewish heritage to escape it

2. this is the problem i have with debating none Christians in refusal to see things from a spiritual perspective or as in this case going half way and stopping when it is convenient for their argument God taught the covenant to Abraham he has passed it on now those that believe in the covenant = over half the world belongs to a religion that traces itself back to that convent making him the spiritual fonder /father. you can not stop at God taught Abraham as you do ether all is true or all is false if true God is not a liar of False God is not liar

whilst on this rant i will make second point atheist always go on the attack they usually refuse to defend at all and never admit to being cornered if it looks like they are loosing thier case for a universe making itself from nothing a debasment of the fundamental laws that apparently account for everything they most often will just say but God is not real so therfore i am right this really shits me i apology's for this rant and under stand of no one reads ir


2b seculer veiw man invents monotheism ie father of monotheism it spreds to over half the world his followers those flowing iin his way are over half the world and calling him father he is the father of over half the population in two ways that are not based on religon

[Central Slavia]

Abraham's descendants DOESN'T include christians, unless they have jewish/arabic ancestors.
Which most of the roman empire didn't.

Well, as (in certain senses at least) Jews, they are. Jew = part of the tribe of Judah. So yes, they are part of his extended family. Adopted. That would have been perfectly acceptable to him.

I wouldn't be so sure.... it's a rather far stretch from the original promise.. it;s like the guy who soldd a cow giving "between 14 and 15 litres of milk" when in reality it gave a litre - surely, between 14 and 15.

No.
Firstly, the hypotetical what-ifs or how you call them are asking how the fuck is that a byproduct of free will?
I could have equally asked for tuberculosis.
Secondly... Adam and Eve didn't choose to be imperfect. If anything, they choose to understand good and evil... gaining a capability is the *opposite* of imperfection. What about him punishing Eve with childbirth, as Bottle has pointed out? How was that a consequence?

Genesis 2 v 15-17, NCV: 'The LORD commanded [them], "You may eat the fruit from any tree in the garden, but you must not eat the fruit from the tree that gives the knowledge of good and evil. If you ever eat from fruit from that tree, you will die"'. I reckon it's fairly obvious. Equally, Gen 3 v 2-3 is along similar lines, from Eve's perspective.

So they've disobeyed God, so they have brought sin into the world, so as a result they must die, so as a result they need babies.

Bwhahaha.... it is fairly obvious - they had no understanding of good and evil.
It's like wondering a dog has bit you even though you have CLEARLY read him the section of criminal law dealing with assault and battery. Yeah, the dog is evil.
Never mind the fact that devil came in and tricked them... something that's fairly easy if someone has no understanding of good and evil , and thus can't grasp someone's malicious intent.
I repeat.... would have been really that hard to station a guardian beast there?

Also.. linking stuff with *so* doesn't mean it follows - in fact the reason they must die is that God made sure the tree of Life is well guarded... something which he didn't bother with the first tree.

Also.. who says childbirth has to be long and painful? God deliberately designed it that way.

But without well-documented evidence, believing in something you know to be impossible is stupid.

I think Christians would consider the Bible 'well-documented evidence'...

And i am sure someone out there considers Twilight a literary masterpiece.
Hint: well documented evidence doesn't mean a piece of paper that states something to be factual.

Anything since claiming god didn't lie.

Is that an inclusive 'since' or an exclusive 'since'?

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Inclusive.

[Frankastain]

1. fails as they are adults not children if i put a bright red liquid on a table and said know it looks smells and tastes like creaming soda but it will kill you if you drink it you will surely die one would expect an adult to understand that particularly if I had a authority over such things and was undisputedly more wise than all others present, and to this point been extremely generous and kind to every one . My reason for doing might not be apparent but most perhaps not all adults would take that warning seriously few would drink it particulate if i said oh and on the subject of soft drinks the room back there is full to the brim with creaming soda and other drinks of every flavour and they are good for you to boot. That is a much closer analogy

That makes no sense at all.

sory ill try and m make it essay to follow, its pretty late here
1Adam and eve where adults any use of childrne n analagys wrong
2 item explained as being bad by a far wiser individual a being of endless power who has never led them wrong(id might give that some thought)
3. there where hundreds of fruit trees in the garden that they where allowed to eat all of which had amazing fruit on them
4. whilst i admit that thier are many adults that would fall despite this it is not a foregone conclusion

2. in order to criticize a all powerful Deity one would need experiences at being one in the same way that now i am older and have experienced being the adult in child/adult relationships i now understand adult actions where not always as stupid as I used to think it was d find my self doing similar things , also i believe that their are 66 books in the bible i find that after reading the first of twenty chapters of a book i often d'not even know all the main players let alone which side their on (says something about my taste in books i guess)

You don't need to be a five-star chef to know that McDondalds is unhealthy for you. Why should we treat your god like this? If I were you, I'd give more respect to my god by not comparing him to any types of human. I would treat him as god.

umm that what i was doping saying as a human i am not in a position to judge a God's behaviour I went further and said only a god could truly understand what being a god is like and pass judgement n the morality od deity's
Chief MacDonald do sent match up as five star chief have as liitle to do with fast food as possible
however most military courts insist only fellow soldiers can try soldiers as a civilan just will not get it that is what i am saying it is called a direct analogy as ahuman i use human ones that i admit are probably not perfect but it it the best o can do.
so asemble your court of dettys and im sure God will stand trial

[Sociobiology]

I have nothing against Christianity specifically, all religions are equally irrational, fictitious, and harmful

Celtic Druidism and Modern Lutheranism disagree.

in what way?

[Mosasauria]

Scientific theories get far more scrutiny than religious ones.

Religious ideals do not deserve to be called theories.

[Sociobiology]

Sure you do. The gospels are direct accounts of the life of Jesus, from those who knew him.

source

their are not even any contemporary references to Jesus,

Incorrect.

such as?

we don't even know if he existed.
He pretty clearly did.

again evidence?

Christianity is not a religion.

Your dissonance is showing

[Frankastain]

Celtic Druidism and Modern Lutheranism disagree.

in what way?

perhaps the practice of human sacrifice ie the Aztec religion has them as the record holders thousands a day sacrificed to Gods to make the sun rise vs open brethren people giving money to charity and helping needy and self funded travelling to third world countries to help the por and peach their religion hmm its a tough one but id say that their is a difrance

[Sociobiology]

the absurdity of the Christianity's persecution complex is laughable.

[Mosasauria]

the absurdity of the Christianity's persecution complex is laughable.
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The image is broken...

[Central Slavia]

That makes no sense at all.
sory ill try and m make it essay to follow, its pretty late here
1Adam and eve where adults any use of childrne n analagys wrong
2 item explained as being bad by a far wiser individual a being of endless power who has never led them wrong(id might give that some thought)
3. there where hundreds of fruit trees in the garden that they where allowed to eat all of which had amazing fruit on them
4. whilst i admit that thier are many adults that would fall despite this it is not a foregone conclusion





You don't need to be a five-star chef to know that McDondalds is unhealthy for you. Why should we treat your god like this? If I were you, I'd give more respect to my god by not comparing him to any types of human. I would treat him as god.

umm that what i was doping saying as a human i am not in a position to judge a God's behaviour I went further and said only a god could truly understand what being a god is like and pass judgement n the morality od deity's
Chief MacDonald do sent match up as five star chief have as liitle to do with fast food as possible
however most military courts insist only fellow soldiers can try soldiers as a civilan just will not get it that is what i am saying it is called a direct analogy as ahuman i use human ones that i admit are probably not perfect but it it the best o can do.
so asemble your court of dettys and im sure God will stand trial

If that is the case then why do christians shout that god is good?
They are in no position to judge his behaviour.

In fact there are many far nicer gods described. Like Bastet for example :3

Actually, let's think about the court of deities.

Bastet, Anubis,Athena,
Also, at a friend's suggestion: Quetzalcouatl, Vishnu, Apollo, Jupiter Optimus Maximus, Amaterasu, the Lightning Brothers, Odin one-eye, Coyote, Toltiir, Mithra(identity theft!) (i also add Perun to that for the same) , and Sakura.

Witnesses and experts: Job, Baal, Prometheus ... Maybe i think of others.

[Sociobiology]

Christians believe in a violent, backstabbing and lying god.

Christians don't believe in any god at all.

They have an unatural aversion to gays and non-believers

Christians have no problem with either. In fact, they embrace all of humanity.

unless it involves giving condoms to people in AIDS stricken African countries

[Bluth Corporation]

The Gospels make no such thing.


The Tanakh has nothing to do with Christian beliefs. The Tanakh is just the accumulated legends, myths, and traditions of the Israelites up to the time of Jesus's birth to provide cultural context for Jesus's life. It's not actually a set of rules and laws to be followed.

Christian teachings are found entirely within the four Gospels, many (if not most) of which explicitly contradict the Old Testament laws. The Old Testament laws are not part of Christian teaching.


I have. Have you?


I do. Do you?

Clearly, when Paul talks about the Law and faith apart from the Law in Romans, he means Roman law and not Judaic law.

What Paul of Tarsus wrote is irrelevant to Christianity. The epistles contain the writings of people who failed to recognize the divinity of Jesus's teachings, and so felt it necessary to invent the myth of the divinity of Jesus's person. They and their heirs down to this day are, regrettably, not Christians but acolytes of the cult of Jesus and Jehovah.

Also, yeah, there's nothing in the Bible about Jesus being both human and God.

All that's relevant to Christianity is the Gospels. The Tanakh is just cultural context for Jesus's life, and the epistles are corruptions of Jesus's teachings. Not even everything in the Gospels is correct--claims about the divinity of Jesus's person or that he worked miracles are of course absurd, because no such thing can happen in the real world. It's the moral and ethical teachings of Jesus of Nazareth that make up the sum total of Christianity.

Nothing in Phillipians or anywhere else in the New Testament.

Again, the epistles have nothing to do with Christianity.

[Bluth Corporation]

Christians don't believe in any god at all.


Christians have no problem with either. In fact, they embrace all of humanity.

unless it involves giving condoms to people in AIDS stricken African countries

Christians are entirely in favor of that.

[Conserative Morality]

in what way?

The Wicker Man comes to mind.

[Conserative Morality]

Christians are entirely in favor of that.

I declare Christians to mean only the Phelps family. Christians are not in favor of that.

[Bluth Corporation]

Sure you do. The gospels are direct accounts of the life of Jesus, from those who knew him.

source

Historians, anthropologists the world over.

Incorrect.

such as?

again evidence?

Academic specialists in the ancient world are generally pretty convinced of this. My own field is modern Eastern Europe, so I'll trust their ever-growing body of work.

Your dissonance is showing

How is it a religion?

Christians do not believe in a god. They have no ritual practices of any sort, no unique cosmology, no hierarchical structures. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that Christianity is a religion.

[Bluth Corporation]

Christians are entirely in favor of that.

I declare Christians to mean only the Phelps family. Christians are not in favor of that.

Your declaration is incorrect.

There is one objective criteria that must be satisfied for one to be called a Christian: acceptance of the moral and ethical teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. The Phelpsites' embrace of theism, Mosaic law, and the Epistles are all incompatible with that.