Why Are People So Critical About Christian Beliefs

[Johz]

And one's finger is the perfect size for sticking up one's nostril. Correlation implying causation? I think not.

Equally, if one is going to get a bit busy, the male arse is terrible. With no natural lubricant and easily ruptured skin, not to mention natural hygene being compromised if it isn't taken care of sensibly.

I like how he specifies MALE arse. Because, you know, female arses are self-lubricating, and women never poop.

Well obviously. Just like how inside every lesbian is a bisexual just waiting to come out...

I do apologise if I caused offence. In this circumstance I was refering to someone else who had also refered to a male prostate. I just follow the crowd me, a good Christian sheep...

[Katganistan]

They don't actually do it. But reading some of the comments here, you'd think mocking and insulting religion is justified.

You were just introduced to trolling, I assume.

However, recognize that most people on here only mock "fundies" or fundamentalist/hyper-evangelical Christians.

I don't know, Catholics have been getting a pretty solid stream of mocking here as well.

[Bottle]

I like how he specifies MALE arse. Because, you know, female arses are self-lubricating, and women never poop.

Well obviously. Just like how inside every lesbian is a bisexual just waiting to come out...

I do apologise if I caused offence. In this circumstance I was refering to someone else who had also refered to a male prostate. I just follow the crowd me, a good Christian sheep...

I've never understood why people pretend to mistake my amusement for "offense."

At any rate, it's been addressed. If you think fucking somebody's mouth or vagina is somehow "cleaner" than fucking their anus, you're kidding yourself, and you may be endangering your health (and theirs) if you don't take it seriously.

[Bottle]

You were just introduced to trolling, I assume.

However, recognize that most people on here only mock "fundies" or fundamentalist/hyper-evangelical Christians.

I don't know, Catholics have been getting a pretty solid stream of mocking here as well.

I do my best to mock ALL Christians, regardless of sect. I also mock Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Scientologists, Pagans, Wiccans, Buddhists, and pretty much any other faith I can come up with.

I'm doing my part!

[Katganistan]

The male prostrate does seem to be 'designed' for internal stimulation...

Without further ado:

What are you face palming about?
You're unaware that (some) men find direct stimulation of the prostate extremely enjoyable?

[Johz]

So not at all?

If there's not at least one Christian telling you that your sex is "sick," then you're not doing it right.

There is a grain of truth in this, which I'm sure I alluded to earlier. Yes, all sex, all relationships even, fall short of God, because we're all meant to be in one relationship with God. Human relationships are merely a product of the Fall.

But yes, gay relationships don't produce children, which I suspect is the main reason it isn't liked by large proportions of the church.

[Katganistan]

And you can't really compare political beliefs to religious beliefs, they're a bit too different...

How so?

Given that much of what we know as the Bible was written by men, and used to control/persuade people, I can see the similarities between political and religious belief.

[Bottle]

But yes, gay relationships don't produce children, which I suspect is the main reason it isn't liked by large proportions of the church.

What's funny is that gay relationships DO produce children, and my straight relationship doesn't...yet most Christians are more okay with my sinful, extramarital relationship than they are with the relationship of my married gay cousin and his partner raising their two biological children.

[Faelq]

Clearly God is fabulous...

No? Anyway, according to base Christian theology, picked up from an ex-Catholic lay reader and two vicars, the Fall was due to Satan, himself a fallen angel, and also due to disobedience. People didn't obey God, and so they ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Voila, they know what evil is, they have, in effect, allowed evil into their lives. Before, where there was merely obedience or disobedience, now we're being a bit more creative.

Um, what?

Firstly... how did they know disobedience was bad/evil? If they didn't ... isn't it God's fault? I mean, if i tell my cat to start my VCR at say, 5 pm to record Dr. Who, and being an animal, she fails to comprehend the command, or its importance and just plays with a bunch of feathers... whose fault is it for me missing the show?

Secondly... how come that was "allowing evil into their lives" ? I thought the evil came with Satan who actually told them to take the fruit. If it wasn't allowed before then, how did he do it?

You have a VCR? That's awesome. It's like hearing an acquaintance has a running Model T.

[Katganistan]

And one's finger is the perfect size for sticking up one's nostril. Correlation implying causation? I think not.

Equally, if one is going to get a bit busy, the male arse is terrible. With no natural lubricant and easily ruptured skin, not to mention natural hygene being compromised if it isn't taken care of sensibly.

I like how he specifies MALE arse. Because, you know, female arses are self-lubricating, and women never poop.

We simply sit there, failing to excrete, until the day we simply explode, and the shit all hits the fan.

Men like to disparage us by calling it "PMS."

[Katganistan]

Clearly God is fabulous...

No? Anyway, according to base Christian theology, picked up from an ex-Catholic lay reader and two vicars, the Fall was due to Satan, himself a fallen angel, and also due to disobedience. People didn't obey God, and so they ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Voila, they know what evil is, they have, in effect, allowed evil into their lives. Before, where there was merely obedience or disobedience, now we're being a bit more creative.

Um, what?

Firstly... how did they know disobedience was bad/evil? If they didn't ... isn't it God's fault? I mean, if i tell my cat to start my VCR at say, 5 pm to record Dr. Who, and being an animal, she fails to comprehend the command, or its importance and just plays with a bunch of feathers... whose fault is it for me missing the show?

Secondly... how come that was "allowing evil into their lives" ? I thought the evil came with Satan who actually told them to take the fruit. If it wasn't allowed before then, how did he do it?

Even a child understands, "DON'T touch that." They usually ignore it, as did Adam and Eve, with as often disastrous (or sometimes comedic) results.

[Katganistan]

I like how he specifies MALE arse. Because, you know, female arses are self-lubricating, and women never poop.

Um, sorry, but it goes without saying that female anal sex is as sick as male version...

According to.... (to be devil's advocate)

[Johz]

Well obviously. Just like how inside every lesbian is a bisexual just waiting to come out...

I do apologise if I caused offence. In this circumstance I was refering to someone else who had also refered to a male prostate. I just follow the crowd me, a good Christian sheep...

I've never understood why people pretend to mistake my amusement for "offense."

At any rate, it's been addressed. If you think fucking somebody's mouth or vagina is somehow "cleaner" than fucking their anus, you're kidding yourself, and you may be endangering your health (and theirs) if you don't take it seriously.

I don't know who I'm offending next, and I'm sure I've just dug myself into a large pit, so I apologise if my apology caused offence. Or summat...

Additionally, the main gist of my original post there was that just because the anus is an appropriate size does not mean it's designed (or has evolved) for sex...

[Bottle]

Um, what?

Firstly... how did they know disobedience was bad/evil? If they didn't ... isn't it God's fault? I mean, if i tell my cat to start my VCR at say, 5 pm to record Dr. Who, and being an animal, she fails to comprehend the command, or its importance and just plays with a bunch of feathers... whose fault is it for me missing the show?

Secondly... how come that was "allowing evil into their lives" ? I thought the evil came with Satan who actually told them to take the fruit. If it wasn't allowed before then, how did he do it?

Even a child understands, "DON'T touch that." They usually ignore it, as did Adam and Eve, with as often disastrous (or sometimes comedic) results.

Of course, most parents understand that putting a giant bowl of candy on the dining room table and then telling your child "DON'T TOUCH THAT" will result in only one possible outcome.

[Bottle]

I like how he specifies MALE arse. Because, you know, female arses are self-lubricating, and women never poop.

We simply sit there, failing to excrete, until the day we simply explode, and the shit all hits the fan.

Men like to disparage us by calling it "PMS."

Well played, madam. Well played.

[DaWoad]

Even a child understands, "DON'T touch that." They usually ignore it, as did Adam and Eve, with as often disastrous (or sometimes comedic) results.

Of course, most parents understand that putting a giant bowl of candy on the dining room table and then telling your child "DON'T TOUCH THAT" will result in only one possible outcome.

the child not touching the candy? That's the answer isn't it?

[Katganistan]

Even a child understands, "DON'T touch that." They usually ignore it, as did Adam and Eve, with as often disastrous (or sometimes comedic) results.

Of course, most parents understand that putting a giant bowl of candy on the dining room table and then telling your child "DON'T TOUCH THAT" will result in only one possible outcome.

Eh, I never saw it that way. More like the analogy of a stove.

[Frankastain]

They don't actually do it. But reading some of the comments here, you'd think mocking and insulting religion is justified.

its not necessarily justified but there is a ridiculous idea some religious folk have that because they are 'religious beliefs' they cannot be attacked and are somehow above being questioned.

its a form of control, dont get so upset when we tell you that! i think its fine when people question my socialist arguments because it makes me think critically and have to provide evidence for my beliefs, which is a positive thing. i get called all sorts of names and have the piss ripped out of me all the time for being a 'bolshevik bastard', why is that different from abusing religious people?

give me some evidence (i.e. not a childrens novel) that j-dizzle walked on water, turned water to wine, fed a bunch of people with a tuna sandwich, and i wont take the piss that out of the fact you believe it

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as a strong Christian i have no problem with discussing my beliefs with most other Christian however when some one with a different world view turns up with a closed mind i.e refuse to except that my views don't mean I'm either insane or very stupid. i find it more challenging to hold a civil duologue. I find i get the same thing form occurs political debate that i have watched

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if you can prove that the universe can create itself form nothing with no out side input or intelligence and that life can also do this ill be all over that. why is it that only religion is required to substantiate it's most outlandish claims (law of thermodynamics proves that the universe has a beginning eventually) i don't pay people out for believing this excep when i find a text book claiming that the laws of physics have a melting point with the only evidence the debasement of physics nercessory for the big bang

[Central Slavia]

When he swears to himself that for obedience, he'll reproduce Abraham's offspring like the stars in heavens and sand on the seashore?

Adam's offspring can be considered to be all three of the Abrahamic religions. I reckon he's done quite well so far...

ABRAHAM's offspring.
The Jews, if you wish.
Now, given that the jews are few, and it's only now they have their own state and aren't victims of pogroms like through most history, god was clearly lying.
Oh well... maybe he just didn't specify "when" he'll do it.
What honesty.

Also... the broken world was made by your almighty god, supposedly. I guess it says a lot about him.

Yes, but so was free will. We chose to become imperfect. A god who prizes free will over perfection, even to the point of destroying his bond with the one part of his creation to whom he has offered a sacred relationship, also says a lot about my God.

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... wait... so eg. the defects in chemical balance in expecting mothers' body which i have heard is what causes homosexuality are, somehow, the product of free will?
Same goes for genetic-error disease, while we are at the topic of reproduction.
Never mind... when did who choose to become imperfect?

Nope, because they are scientists *despite* being christian.
Religion asks people to accept things which contradict science.

It asks it's believers to believe in a God that is beyond human understanding. This does not contradict science, because science is human understanding. So what if a humble creation myth was wrong, the entire set of pre-Abrahamic stories are prevalent in cultures across the Middle East, suggesting that they are unlikely to have special relevence to the Christian God...

Not only a creation myth.. the ressurection itself, as well as thousands of miracles.... never mind.
The key problem with religion is that it asks to believe without evidence.

Well, no-one can force that to you, and no-one probably cares.

No-one has a dash in it. I don't really care if no-one cares, because I care. Tough luck if you don't give a shit, just don't produce stupid comments like the one to which I replied originally...[/quote]
I don't give a damn about your opinion on atheists - i was addressing an entirely different class of nonsense.

[Bottle]

Of course, most parents understand that putting a giant bowl of candy on the dining room table and then telling your child "DON'T TOUCH THAT" will result in only one possible outcome.

Eh, I never saw it that way. More like the analogy of a stove.

1) Parents don't 'choose' to set a stove in the house. Most houses come with them, and the stove is generally an essential part of the kitchen.
2) A lovely tree full of yummy fruit would seem to be temptation enough, even without the magical knowledge-granting properties of the fruit on that particular tree. Much closer to the allure of tasty candy than the allure of touching a burny surface.
3) The outcome of touching a stove is exclusively painful. The outcome of eating candy is a mixture of pleasure and possible pain (cavities, tummy ache, juvenile diabetes, etc), which is far more comparable to eating from the tree of knowledge.

[Central Slavia]

Eh, I never saw it that way. More like the analogy of a stove.

1) Parents don't 'choose' to set a stove in the house. Most houses come with them, and the stove is generally an essential part of the kitchen.
2) A lovely tree full of yummy fruit would seem to be temptation enough, even without the magical knowledge-granting properties of the fruit on that particular tree. Much closer to the allure of tasty candy than the allure of touching a burny surface.
3) The outcome of touching a stove is exclusively painful. The outcome of eating candy is a mixture of pleasure and possible pain (cavities, tummy ache, juvenile diabetes, etc), which is far more comparable to eating from the tree of knowledge.

It's worse than that,Bottle.

1) With either stove or candy, the likely outcome is just minor problems.
This was a one-time irreversible effect we are talking about .. more like a bottle of sodium hydroxide cubes looking like sugar on the kitchen table.

2) What does god do when Adam and Eve are told to leave? Stations guard angels with burning swords next to the tree of life. Why didn't he think of stationing some near this tree, unless he was deliberately calculating to trick Adam and Eve

[Bottle]

1) Parents don't 'choose' to set a stove in the house. Most houses come with them, and the stove is generally an essential part of the kitchen.
2) A lovely tree full of yummy fruit would seem to be temptation enough, even without the magical knowledge-granting properties of the fruit on that particular tree. Much closer to the allure of tasty candy than the allure of touching a burny surface.
3) The outcome of touching a stove is exclusively painful. The outcome of eating candy is a mixture of pleasure and possible pain (cavities, tummy ache, juvenile diabetes, etc), which is far more comparable to eating from the tree of knowledge.

It's worse than that,Bottle.

1) With either stove or candy, the likely outcome is just minor problems.
This was a one-time irreversible effect we are talking about .. more like a bottle of sodium hydroxide cubes looking like sugar on the kitchen table.

2) What does god do when Adam and Eve are told to leave? Stations guard angels with burning swords next to the tree of life. Why didn't he think of stationing some near this tree, unless he was deliberately calculating to trick Adam and Eve

No arguments here. I honestly don't understand how anybody worships the Christian God after reading the first chapter of his book...he just sounds like a run-of-the-mill lousy parent who beats his kids for his own mistakes. I don't worship anything THAT human.

[The Alma Mater]

No arguments here. I honestly don't understand how anybody worships the Christian God after reading the first chapter of his book...he just sounds like a run-of-the-mill lousy parent who beats his kids for his own mistakes. I don't worship anything THAT human.

I seriously take offense at that characterisation.
As a parent, the Judeo Christian god is FAR beneath your average human. Only people like Fritzl come remotely close.

Please say sorry to humanity for implying Gods behaviour is in any way the norm or normal.

[Johz]

But yes, gay relationships don't produce children, which I suspect is the main reason it isn't liked by large proportions of the church.

What's funny is that gay relationships DO produce children, and my straight relationship doesn't...yet most Christians are more okay with my sinful, extramarital relationship than they are with the relationship of my married gay cousin and his partner raising their two biological children.

I give up. You win...

[Bottle]

No arguments here. I honestly don't understand how anybody worships the Christian God after reading the first chapter of his book...he just sounds like a run-of-the-mill lousy parent who beats his kids for his own mistakes. I don't worship anything THAT human.

I seriously take offense at that characterisation.
As a parent, the Judeo Christian god is FAR beneath your average human. Only people like Fritzl come remotely close.

Please say sorry to humanity for implying Gods behaviour is in any way the norm or normal.

Hey, we're just going off Genesis here. If that was all you knew of the Christian God, I think he comes across as incompetent and cruel but not truly EVIL. I mean, sure, his spiteful decision to punish all of women with painful childbirth because they dared to acquire knowledge is fucked up and all, but plenty of fathers have that kind of shitty attitude toward their own daughters' sexuality. I think it's not until later chapters that the deeply heinous stuff starts coming into play.