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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat May 07, 2011 5:58 pm

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Or you can find it on the web, and post it here.


I looked for it. Basmanov's website has escaped my memory, though I retain his pamphlets. I'm sure if Kennarkough is actually reputable and a real person, as opposed to a troll, he won't mind divulging his fax number.

The problem being that I don't have a fax number.

But I'm sure you can upload them on an image sharing website and post them.
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Postby Principia Moderni » Sat May 07, 2011 5:59 pm

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<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_solomon>

That's not ancient. Nor does it constitute the "twelve tribe" nation described in the Bible. Besides all the Polytheistic things that were going on at that time period, Yahweh was one of many gods according to ancient Jews.


How is it not ancient? It was created for the Ark of the Covenant

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Postby Octopucta » Sat May 07, 2011 6:00 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:An edited form can work for any religion; Pascal only assumed the first, but one can form-fit it to any religion as a justification for faith.

But when you factor in the myriad other religions Pascal's position is no longer a 50-50 chance.
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Postby Principia Moderni » Sat May 07, 2011 6:01 pm

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Exactly. There isn't much to look for because it's been a playground for several other empires.

Again, I say there isn't anything to DISPROVE God. I prefer to be on the safe side.

Pascals Gambit, eh? A firm position. But the main thing to think about is that in the billions of years this universe has been in existence, no proof for god has ever surfaced.


No proof against him has surfaced either

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat May 07, 2011 6:02 pm

Octopucta wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:An edited form can work for any religion; Pascal only assumed the first, but one can form-fit it to any religion as a justification for faith.

But when you factor in the myriad other religions Pascal's position is no longer a 50-50 chance.

True, but it does offer in another factor; the odds that no matter what you choose, their is an overwhelming chance you are going to be wrong, so choose what makes you happy and what makes sense to you.

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Postby Shuggy555 » Sat May 07, 2011 6:02 pm

hi, i go to a christian school but i am a athiest, most of my friends are christian
only a small persentage of the christians i know try to force there beliefs on me and others the rest are content to keep to themselves.
that small persentage is what im critical over i have no problems with christians or there beliefs as long as they respect my beliefs and don't force theres on to mine.
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Postby Principia Moderni » Sat May 07, 2011 6:03 pm

Seperates wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Pascals Gambit, eh? A firm position. But the main thing to think about is that in the billions of years this universe has been in existence, no proof for god has ever surfaced.

What if there is a God, but only atheists can get into heaven?
Heaven would be full of bittersweet atheists

Me: Aw fuck, I was wrong... *grumble grumble*
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Me: Oh, sod off you.


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Postby Octopucta » Sat May 07, 2011 6:03 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:True, but it does offer in another factor; the odds that no matter what you choose, their is an overwhelming chance you are going to be wrong, so choose what makes you happy and what makes sense to you.

..... An excellent point. I hadn't considered that.
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Postby Seperates » Sat May 07, 2011 6:06 pm

Principia Moderni wrote:
Seperates wrote:That's not ancient. Nor does it constitute the "twelve tribe" nation described in the Bible. Besides all the Polytheistic things that were going on at that time period, Yahweh was one of many gods according to ancient Jews.


How is it not ancient? It was created for the Ark of the Covenant

The pyrimads are ancient. the Parthenon is ancient. Pretty much since the beginning of the Romans, there hasn't been that much of which to truely call ancient. However, that is merely my opinion of the definition of "ancient".

The Ark of the Covenent? Oh, that old gem. You really believe the story of Moses?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat May 07, 2011 6:06 pm

Octopucta wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:True, but it does offer in another factor; the odds that no matter what you choose, their is an overwhelming chance you are going to be wrong, so choose what makes you happy and what makes sense to you.

..... An excellent point. I hadn't considered that.

Mhmm. I fluctuate between this philosophy(along with that of "If god hates me because of x, he is no god of mine") and general atheism from time to time.

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Postby Principia Moderni » Sat May 07, 2011 6:07 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Octopucta wrote:But when you factor in the myriad other religions Pascal's position is no longer a 50-50 chance.

True, but it does offer in another factor; the odds that no matter what you choose, their is an overwhelming chance you are going to be wrong, so choose what makes you happy and what makes sense to you.


True. For me, I believe that my God is a respectable guy who won't tell me to do the wrong thing. I also look in the mirror every day and notice that God has an awesome sense of humor :lol:

I'm confident in my decision and I am happy that way. I am happy to accept that there are other religions and I don't bash at them.

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Postby Principia Moderni » Sat May 07, 2011 6:08 pm

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How is it not ancient? It was created for the Ark of the Covenant

The pyrimads are ancient. the Parthenon is ancient. Pretty much since the beginning of the Romans, there hasn't been that much of which to truely call ancient. However, that is merely my opinion of the definition of "ancient".

The Ark of the Covenent? Oh, that old gem. You really believe the story of Moses?


You say that like I just admitted that I believe in Santa. Wait. Aw shit.

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Postby Seperates » Sat May 07, 2011 6:09 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Octopucta wrote:But when you factor in the myriad other religions Pascal's position is no longer a 50-50 chance.

True, but it does offer in another factor; the odds that no matter what you choose, their is an overwhelming chance you are going to be wrong, so choose what makes you happy and what makes sense to you.

I believe that... but when you try to distort facts, theories, and reality for the sake of your religion... I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to draw the line there. I never am able to understand why we treat schizophrenics, but allow Evangelicals to go about spouting their nonsense.
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Postby Sporae » Sat May 07, 2011 6:11 pm

New Sharmania wrote:It seems to me that people are just extremely critical of Christian beliefs. Its not just people disagree and move on they have to comment and mock it and I just want to know why. I've never done that to anyone else's beliefs so why would people do it to me.


If they are critical and mocking, let them be. They have the ability to choose to do so. Doesn't mean you have to listen to it if you don't want to. But I have noticed what you have. You do have a point. Nevertheless, don't let them get to you. Listen, but don't listen, if that makes any sense. xD That's my advice to you.
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Postby Seperates » Sat May 07, 2011 6:12 pm

Principia Moderni wrote:
Seperates wrote:The pyrimads are ancient. the Parthenon is ancient. Pretty much since the beginning of the Romans, there hasn't been that much of which to truely call ancient. However, that is merely my opinion of the definition of "ancient".

The Ark of the Covenent? Oh, that old gem. You really believe the story of Moses?


You say that like I just admitted that I believe in Santa. Wait. Aw shit.

I always find it amusing that despite the OVERWHELMING lack of evidence for slavery in Eygpt... people still go back to that silly children's story as fact.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat May 07, 2011 6:12 pm

Seperates wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:True, but it does offer in another factor; the odds that no matter what you choose, their is an overwhelming chance you are going to be wrong, so choose what makes you happy and what makes sense to you.

I believe that... but when you try to distort facts, theories, and reality for the sake of your religion... I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to draw the line there. I never am able to understand why we treat schizophrenics, but allow Evangelicals to go about spouting their nonsense.

And they shouldn't be taken seriously, as they have left "what makes you happy" and entered "batshit insane".

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Postby Avenio » Sat May 07, 2011 6:12 pm

Principia Moderni wrote:No proof against him has surfaced either


Depends on how you define 'God'. If you mean the deity described literally in the Bible, there's literally reams of data showing the things that the Bible claims couldn't or didn't happen. There's little-to-no evidence to suggest an intelligent designer, either. Basically what's left, if you choose to accept the empirical data, is a very distant God that intervened in the creation of the universe and never again, or is the embodiment of the laws of physics and physically cannot intervene; neither of which is any kind of 'God' that is either useful for worship or believe in.

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Postby Principia Moderni » Sat May 07, 2011 6:13 pm

Sporae wrote:
New Sharmania wrote:It seems to me that people are just extremely critical of Christian beliefs. Its not just people disagree and move on they have to comment and mock it and I just want to know why. I've never done that to anyone else's beliefs so why would people do it to me.


If they are critical and mocking, let them be. They have the ability to choose to do so. Doesn't mean you have to listen to it if you don't want to. But I have noticed what you have. You do have a point. Nevertheless, don't let them get to you. Listen, but don't listen, if that makes any sense. xD That's my advice to you.


Turn the other cheek?

(This was an ancient "Come at me bro" challenge, not a pacifist statement. It was to mock your attacker)

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Postby Seperates » Sat May 07, 2011 6:13 pm

Avenio wrote:
Principia Moderni wrote:No proof against him has surfaced either


Depends on how you define 'God'. If you mean the deity described literally in the Bible, there's literally reams of data showing the things that the Bible claims couldn't or didn't happen. There's little-to-no evidence to suggest an intelligent designer, either. Basically what's left, if you choose to accept the empirical data, is a very distant God that intervened in the creation of the universe and never again, or is the embodiment of the laws of physics and physically cannot intervene; neither of which is any kind of 'God' that is either useful for worship or believe in.

Bingo.
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Postby Seperates » Sat May 07, 2011 6:14 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Seperates wrote:I believe that... but when you try to distort facts, theories, and reality for the sake of your religion... I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to draw the line there. I never am able to understand why we treat schizophrenics, but allow Evangelicals to go about spouting their nonsense.

And they shouldn't be taken seriously, as they have left "what makes you happy" and entered "batshit insane".

And yet they are teaching it to children and they somewhat have a say in the American Political System... :(
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Postby Principia Moderni » Sat May 07, 2011 6:15 pm

Seperates wrote:
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You say that like I just admitted that I believe in Santa. Wait. Aw shit.

I always find it amusing that despite the OVERWHELMING lack of evidence for slavery in Eygpt... people still go back to that silly children's story as fact.


Hey, I'm not poking fun at your religion or lack thereof!

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat May 07, 2011 6:16 pm

Seperates wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:And they shouldn't be taken seriously, as they have left "what makes you happy" and entered "batshit insane".

And yet they are teaching it to children and they somewhat have a say in the American Political System... :(

Which, sadly, is their right as American citizens, though they are limited in how much they are allowed, as a religion, to influence the government.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat May 07, 2011 6:17 pm

Principia Moderni wrote:
Seperates wrote:I always find it amusing that despite the OVERWHELMING lack of evidence for slavery in Eygpt... people still go back to that silly children's story as fact.


Hey, I'm not poking fun at your religion or lack thereof!

He may be slightly mocking, but he is right; their is no evidence of Jewish slaves, en masse, in Egypt, or any evidence of a Jewish exodus from Egypt.
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Postby Principia Moderni » Sat May 07, 2011 6:18 pm

Turning other cheek right about... now!

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Postby Seperates » Sat May 07, 2011 6:19 pm

Principia Moderni wrote:
Seperates wrote:I always find it amusing that despite the OVERWHELMING lack of evidence for slavery in Eygpt... people still go back to that silly children's story as fact.


Hey, I'm not poking fun at your religion or lack thereof!

And that makes you right... How?

EDIT: Look, there reason I'm making fun of your religion is because it is so ridiculously easy to do without being factually incorrect. To mock atheism requires a certain stupidity, misinterpretation, or misrepresentation on the part of the mocker.
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