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The Merry Christmas
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Do I belong in the Republican Party?

Postby The Merry Christmas » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:47 am

I'm having a little trouble deciding which political party would be right for me at this point. It's not my wish to consider myself an independent, for I know I have the capacity to vote based on policy, not party, and still have a substantial amount of political say.

I've registered as a Republican due to my economic philosophy. However, I don't agree with many socially conservative ideals. I believe in marraige, but not that it should be reserved couples of opposite sexes. Things like harsh drug laws and illegal gambling really get me going... I've given some thought to joining the Libertarian Party, but I'm fairly certain I don't want to align with a third party. Not to mention a cult.

The following is a slightly more thorough discription of my political philosophy. Hopefully you can gauge me based upon it. Tell me if I'm right or wrong to be registered as I am:

I'm fiscally very conservative. Socially libertarian. I believe strongly in religious freedom, the seperation of church and state, a small and limited government, personal responsibility, property rights, low taxes, and minimal government spending in areas other than national defense and the prevention of theft and fraud. I disagree with all kinds of social policies because I believe they're both wasteful (or at least highly inefficient) and a violation of individual rights.

I'm basically an angry Nebraskan. Does it show?
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Postby Natapoc » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:26 pm

The republicans are even MORE opposed to you then the democrats are (but not by much. Really they pretty much are equally bad)

Join the libertarians, it's not a cult and at least you won't be voting directly opposed to what you believe in.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:28 pm

Shit man, I feel the same way. But I'd rather tolerate the stupidity of the GOP towards social issues, then the Democratic Party entirely.

With regards to third parties -they hold no value, you literally might as well piss on your ballot.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:33 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:Shit man, I feel the same way. But I'd rather tolerate the stupidity of the GOP towards social issues, then the Democratic Party entirely.

With regards to third parties -they hold no value, you literally might as well piss on your ballot.


It's people doing this sort of thing that'll make the voting machines declare war on humanity in 2012.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:34 pm

Meh, I've considered joining the Republicans(Under the banner of the Log Cabin), but they are completely opposed to my social values.

We need a Bull Moose party.

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Postby Kormanthor » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:35 pm

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Postby Acrainia » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:36 pm

If you want the government out of your wallet but in your personal matters, go Republican

If you want the government in your wallet but out of your personal matters, go Democrat

If you want them in or out of both, tough luck

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Postby Slothtonia » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:38 pm

Wow, I'm fairly similar in my outlook, but I'm not a libertarian and don't have a Image stuck in my window.

I believe in being responsible for your actions and your choices, but not at the expense of charity or a leg up once in a while. We are not infallible human beings and everyone needs a hand now and again. I do think I tend to wish for a more even playing field toward prosperity for all people.

It's unfortunate that neither party completely represents my views.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:39 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:Shit man, I feel the same way. But I'd rather tolerate the stupidity of the GOP towards social issues, then the Democratic Party entirely.

With regards to third parties -they hold no value, you literally might as well piss on your ballot.


It's people doing this sort of thing that'll make the voting machines declare war on humanity in 2012.


That's why in modern day Netherlands we abolished the voting machines a few years ago. We went back to paper (and what a paper it is, our voting ballot is huuuuge) :D
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:40 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
It's people doing this sort of thing that'll make the voting machines declare war on humanity in 2012.


That's why in modern day Netherlands we abolished the voting machines a few years ago. We went back to paper (and what a paper it is, our voting ballot is huuuuge) :D


It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it.
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Postby Free Soviets » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:41 pm

nope. you should vote for anybody besides the republican party.

of course, the same goes for all republican party voters...

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Postby United Dependencies » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:42 pm

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:43 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
That's why in modern day Netherlands we abolished the voting machines a few years ago. We went back to paper (and what a paper it is, our voting ballot is huuuuge) :D


It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it.


I vote with it[/threadjack].

Anyway, I cannot say if the OP belongs in the republican party. It all depends on where your priorities are with regards to your policies. If your economic policies are of high importance to you, than maybe yes, you can be a Republican. Also, inside the GOP there afaik groups in favour of things like gay marriage and other of those issues you said.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:43 pm

Slothtonia wrote:Wow, I'm fairly similar in my outlook, but I'm not a libertarian and don't have a (Image)stuck in my window.

I believe in being responsible for your actions and your choices, but not at the expense of charity or a leg up once in a while. We are not infallible human beings and everyone needs a hand now and again. I do think I tend to wish for a more even playing field toward prosperity for all people.

It's unfortunate that neither party completely represents my views.


No party ever represents anybody's views absolutely, unless they are fanatics. But you pick the closest thing to your views that has a chance of winning.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:46 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Slothtonia wrote:Wow, I'm fairly similar in my outlook, but I'm not a libertarian and don't have a (Image)stuck in my window.

I believe in being responsible for your actions and your choices, but not at the expense of charity or a leg up once in a while. We are not infallible human beings and everyone needs a hand now and again. I do think I tend to wish for a more even playing field toward prosperity for all people.

It's unfortunate that neither party completely represents my views.


No party ever represents anybody's views absolutely, unless they are fanatics. But you pick the closest thing to your views that has a chance of winning.

As I said, Bull Mose. A third party that came in second. Pretty good idea, at the time. Go Teddy!

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Postby Angleter » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:51 pm

Either would do, but you'd be on the fringe of either party. Ron Paul (although he is somewhat conservative, but is big on states' rights) and Mike Gravel are libertarians from either party. Neither, of course, got any votes in the 2008 primaries- to the extent that Gravel walked out on the Democrats altogether.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:01 pm

It wasn't bad, though I thought slightly excessive. But I'm more looking for a party that is consistent with individualism and that not only includes economic liberty (though they are certainly important), but respecting their social choices as well. I make an exception with abortion (but let's not derail the thread).

The problem with me about the Progressive Party of 1912, was that it had this preachy mentality and to be honest, that always to an extent, has been the problem with progressivism and progressives in the United States. The notion that "we know better than they" and we can "cure" the social ills of the world through mandates and taxes. Prohibition was a progressive measure.

Don't get me wrong, I liked Teddy Roosevelt as president, but that was partially because he was restrained by the conservative base of his party. And as a result it produced cautious change. I didn't like the Teddy Roosevelt of 1912 not nearly as much.
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Postby You-Gi-Owe » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:01 pm

The Merry Christmas wrote:I'm having a little trouble deciding which political party would be right for me at this point. It's not my wish to consider myself an independent, for I know I have the capacity to vote based on policy, not party, and still have a substantial amount of political say.
I've registered as a Republican due to my economic philosophy. However, I don't agree with many socially conservative ideals. I believe in marraige, but not that it should be reserved couples of opposite sexes. Things like harsh drug laws and illegal gambling really get me going... I've given some thought to joining the Libertarian Party, but I'm fairly certain I don't want to align with a third party. Not to mention a cult.

The following is a slightly more thorough discription of my political philosophy. Hopefully you can gauge me based upon it. Tell me if I'm right or wrong to be registered as I am:

I'm fiscally very conservative. Socially libertarian. I believe strongly in religious freedom, the seperation of church and state, a small and limited government, personal responsibility, property rights, low taxes, and minimal government spending in areas other than national defense and the prevention of theft and fraud. I disagree with all kinds of social policies because I believe they're both wasteful (or at least highly inefficient) and a violation of individual rights.


I'm basically an angry Nebraskan. Does it show?

You've got to ask yourself, when all is said and done, "Have I contributed in trying to keep the worst of the two likely candidates from imposing something(s) I believe to be wrong for the country?"

You might be able to influence a 3rd party more easily, but can you get them elected? Like the uber-leftists & SDS have done with the Democratic Party, the Tea Party is making strides in changing the Republican Party.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:06 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:Don't get me wrong, I liked Teddy Roosevelt as president, but that was partially because he was restrained by the conservative base of his party.

Yeah, no. Say what you like about his 1912 Campaign, his presidency was anything but restrained by the Conservative base of his party.
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Postby Natapoc » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:06 pm

You-Gi-Owe wrote:
The Merry Christmas wrote:I'm having a little trouble deciding which political party would be right for me at this point. It's not my wish to consider myself an independent, for I know I have the capacity to vote based on policy, not party, and still have a substantial amount of political say.
I've registered as a Republican due to my economic philosophy. However, I don't agree with many socially conservative ideals. I believe in marraige, but not that it should be reserved couples of opposite sexes. Things like harsh drug laws and illegal gambling really get me going... I've given some thought to joining the Libertarian Party, but I'm fairly certain I don't want to align with a third party. Not to mention a cult.

The following is a slightly more thorough discription of my political philosophy. Hopefully you can gauge me based upon it. Tell me if I'm right or wrong to be registered as I am:

I'm fiscally very conservative. Socially libertarian. I believe strongly in religious freedom, the seperation of church and state, a small and limited government, personal responsibility, property rights, low taxes, and minimal government spending in areas other than national defense and the prevention of theft and fraud. I disagree with all kinds of social policies because I believe they're both wasteful (or at least highly inefficient) and a violation of individual rights.


I'm basically an angry Nebraskan. Does it show?

You've got to ask yourself, when all is said and done, "Have I contributed in trying to keep the worst of the two likely candidates from imposing something(s) I believe to be wrong for the country?"

You might be able to influence a 3rd party more easily, but can you get them elected? Like the uber-leftists & SDS have done with the Democratic Party, the Tea Party is making strides in changing the Republican Party.


SDS? Really? What do you think SDS is/was?
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:07 pm

Slothtonia wrote:Wow, I'm fairly similar in my outlook,

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It's unfortunate that neither party completely represents my views.

Same here. I've ended up registering Republican because they offend me a little less than the Democrats. By registering with a party, I get to vote in a primary election, which is better than not, I guess.
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This reminds me. I should demand NSG pick me out some ideologies to look at because I can't be arsed. :lol:
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Postby Angleter » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:09 pm

Mussoliniopoli wrote:This reminds me. I should demand NSG pick me out some ideologies to look at because I can't be arsed. :lol:


Carlism, Whig, Protect the Emperor Society, Ultramontanism, and Bukharinism.

Well, you didn't specify the ideologies be important or anything.
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Postby Vecherd » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:09 pm

The Democrats and the GOP are the cancer, The Libertarians is the answer.(In your situation)
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Postby The Oricalchos » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:10 pm

Maybe a Centrist?
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