Privatized police department.

[Euronion]

I'm a capitalist and that just sounds dumb.

I am a capitalist too but in most and by most I mean 99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of cases the police department has been clolsed so it's either privatized police or no police how many times do i have to say it, do you want someone who will protect you or not that is the question and will people please stop using unfair stereotypes about privatized, its jsut like black people and fried chicken di you see them eat it sometimes? yes, so then it is correct to assume that all black people everywhere every day eat fried chicken? no, for you that berate privatized police how willing are you to pick up a gun for low wages and outrageous hours and go and protect people you don't even know not to mention you may die in the process, if the answer is no then you are more of a pussy than Justin Beiber

[Terra Agora]

Coming from US Army soldier...

Im assuming the only reason you do your job is because of "shit pay and no respect".

He said OTHER than.

The point still stands.
There are police officers now there would be police officers that are private.
The pleasure gained from the job, pay, etc is greater then the risk for those people.

[Lomenore]

For reasons other than shit pay and no respect.



Good luck supporting your family when you're dead.

Also, if the criminals in your scenario are willing to risk their lives to go into a bank and rob it purely for profit, your totally moronic scenario where private police wouldn't be willing to stop them for profit is a joke. I am stepping out for a bit, you guys are just infuriating.

Going by that logic, the best option is to collaborate with the criminals to loot the bank. Plan with them ahead of time to take some minor wound so your bosses believe you when you say you did your best. Like that line from Serenity:

Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: The leg is good. It'll bleed plenty and we avoid any unnecessary organs.
Vault Guard: I was thinking more of a graze.
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: No. You don't want it to look like you just gave up.
Vault Guard: No. I get that!

You earn a paycheck, plus a reputation for putting your life on the line for your employer. All the while, you're sitting back and counting your cut of the money. Who's going to squeal on you? As long as your criminal buddies make sure there are no witnesses, no one can doubt your word. If, that is, if we're talking about a scenario where the profit motive is paramount.

[Terra Agora]

Also, if the criminals in your scenario are willing to risk their lives to go into a bank and rob it purely for profit, your totally moronic scenario where private police wouldn't be willing to stop them for profit is a joke. I am stepping out for a bit, you guys are just infuriating.

Going by that logic, the best option is to collaborate with the criminals to loot the bank. Plan with them ahead of time to take some minor wound so your bosses believe you when you say you did your best. Like that line from Serenity:

Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: The leg is good. It'll bleed plenty and we avoid any unnecessary organs.
Vault Guard: I was thinking more of a graze.
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: No. You don't want it to look like you just gave up.
Vault Guard: No. I get that!

You earn a paycheck, plus a reputation for putting your life on the line for your employer. All the while, you're sitting back and counting your cut of the money. Who's going to squeal on you? As long as your criminal buddies make sure there are no witnesses, no one can doubt your word. If, that is, if we're talking about a scenario where the profit motive is paramount.

If it was that easy there would be a heck of a lot more bank robberies.

[Lomenore]

It doesn't happen because our police force isn't motivated solely by greed. Also, we have internal affairs groups whose job it is to stop police corruption, and elected officials who know they won't stay in office if crime is too high. When the system is all about profit, it's much easier to just cut someone in on the graft.

[Lomenore]

He said OTHER than.

I'm going to defend sears against k-mart to the death why? people join the army to defend the country not walmart.

I agree. There's a difference between putting your life on the line to defend your country and your family, and risking your life for money. If someone invaded my hometown, I'd gladly join the army and help push them away. If I end up dead, that's a risk of the job I knew when I joined up. But when I'm guarding someone else's property for pay, I wouldn't be so motivated. To quote Han Solo "What good's a reward if ya ain't alive to spend it?"

I'd do my job up to a point, since I do want to earn my paycheck. I'd chase away some kid spray painting the walls. If it was me with a BPV and an assault rifle up against some thug with a knife or handgun, I'd fight. If it was me and several of my fellow guards up against a gangbanger, I'd fight. Even group on group fighting is worth the risk, providing the other group is smaller or not as well armed.

[Keronians]

Going by that logic, the best option is to collaborate with the criminals to loot the bank. Plan with them ahead of time to take some minor wound so your bosses believe you when you say you did your best. Like that line from Serenity:

Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: The leg is good. It'll bleed plenty and we avoid any unnecessary organs.
Vault Guard: I was thinking more of a graze.
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: No. You don't want it to look like you just gave up.
Vault Guard: No. I get that!

You earn a paycheck, plus a reputation for putting your life on the line for your employer. All the while, you're sitting back and counting your cut of the money. Who's going to squeal on you? As long as your criminal buddies make sure there are no witnesses, no one can doubt your word. If, that is, if we're talking about a scenario where the profit motive is paramount.

If it was that easy there would be a heck of a lot more bank robberies.

Why? The state is subject to the people. The police department is funded by the state. If the police department fares badly, people blame the state and the people in charge are voted out.

[Keronians]

I'm a capitalist and that just sounds dumb.

I am a capitalist too but in most and by most I mean 99.99999999999999999999999999999999% of cases the police department has been clolsed so it's either privatized police or no police how many times do i have to say it, do you want someone who will protect you or not that is the question and will people please stop using unfair stereotypes about privatized, its jsut like black people and fried chicken di you see them eat it sometimes? yes, so then it is correct to assume that all black people everywhere every day eat fried chicken? no, for you that berate privatized police how willing are you to pick up a gun for low wages and outrageous hours and go and protect people you don't even know not to mention you may die in the process, if the answer is no then you are more of a pussy than Justin Beiber

Flaming... Unnecessary.

Also, perhaps you'd like to use punctuation so that we can understand you?

[Terra Agora]

If it was that easy there would be a heck of a lot more bank robberies.

Why? The state is subject to the people. The police department is funded by the state. If the police department fares badly, people blame the state and the people in charge are voted out.

Same goes for the private police.

[Keronians]

Why? The state is subject to the people. The police department is funded by the state. If the police department fares badly, people blame the state and the people in charge are voted out.

Same goes for the private police.

Not really.

[Galla-]

He said OTHER than.

I'm going to defend sears against k-mart to the death why? people join the army to defend the country not walmart.

I thought most US soldiers joined the military for the benefits and pay...

Do you really think anyone actually enjoys going to war, besides Army Rangers?

And by regards to the "shit pay and no respect", first of all police officers get decent pay around $50,000 a year; and respect is earned, not given. I don't respect anyone for the clothes they wear, I respect for the shit they do.

[Terra Agora]

Same goes for the private police.

Not really.

Why? The company is subject to the consumers. The police department is funded by the consumers. If the police department fares badly, consumers blame the company and the consumers hire a new company.

[Keronians]

Not really.

Why? The company is subject to the consumers. The police department is funded by the consumers. If the police department fares badly, consumers blame the company and the consumers hire a new company.

Monopolies. Most companies like these divide territories up between them. The consumers either buy from the company, or they're left unprotected / they're attacked by the company.

[Stefannica]

private police? for us at least, that does not exists, save for the King, who practically owns everything and...everyone in my country

[Terra Agora]

Why? The company is subject to the consumers. The police department is funded by the consumers. If the police department fares badly, consumers blame the company and the consumers hire a new company.

Monopolies. Most companies like these divide territories up between them. The consumers either buy from the company, or they're left unprotected / they're attacked by the company.

Monopolies are not creations of the market.

[Lomenore]

I'm going to defend sears against k-mart to the death why? people join the army to defend the country not walmart.

I thought most US soldiers joined the military for the benefits and pay...

Do you really think anyone actually enjoys going to war, besides Army Rangers?

Nobody does, unless they're mad, stupid, or General Patton. But in the Army, it's understood that it's a risk. It's part of the job. They're not going to just throw your life away, but it is understood that people die in the military. A private employee who only fights for the paycheck doesn't have the same mindset.

I'm not saying soldiers don't want to get paid, but it's not their entire motivation.

[Keronians]

Monopolies. Most companies like these divide territories up between them. The consumers either buy from the company, or they're left unprotected / they're attacked by the company.

Monopolies are not creations of the market.

I agree. Now, what is your point?

[Terra Agora]

Monopolies are not creations of the market.

I agree. Now, what is your point?

In a free market there would be no monopolies.

[Galla-]

Why? The company is subject to the consumers. The police department is funded by the consumers. If the police department fares badly, consumers blame the company and the consumers hire a new company.

Monopolies. Most companies like these divide territories up between them. The consumers either buy from the company, or they're left unprotected / they're attacked by the company.

Untrue. I can hire between about 4 different telecom companies right now in my local area. Whose to say that I can't hire 3-4 different private police departments, or rely on the government public option?

Monopolies. Most companies like these divide territories up between them. The consumers either buy from the company, or they're left unprotected / they're attacked by the company.

Monopolies are not creations of the market.

Untrue. Collusion is a result of natural human greed, and if a market is driven by pure greed then there will be collusion. That is a fact, and has been seen in the Gilded Age of the United States. The question is whether collusion is good or bad. Monopolies have low prices in order to keep customers, but they're known to use unethical tactics to squash new entrees into the free market.

[Lomenore]

Monopolies. Most companies like these divide territories up between them. The consumers either buy from the company, or they're left unprotected / they're attacked by the company.

Monopolies are not creations of the market.

Why? A company goes into business to make money, right?

They make more money if they do better then their competitors, right?

Do well enough, and your competitors go out of business. Lather, rinse and repeat until the competitors are all gone. What results, is a monopoly.

[Galla-]

Monopolies are not creations of the market.

Why? A company goes into business to make money, right?

They make more money if they do better then their competitors, right?

Do well enough, and your competitors go out of business. Lather, rinse and repeat until the competitors are all gone. What results, is a monopoly.

Do as Rockefeller did and create trust companies with your competitors to maintain the illusion of competition.

I thought most US soldiers joined the military for the benefits and pay...

Do you really think anyone actually enjoys going to war, besides Army Rangers?

Nobody does, unless they're mad, stupid, or General Patton. But in the Army, it's understood that it's a risk. It's part of the job. They're not going to just throw your life away, but it is understood that people die in the military. A private employee who only fights for the paycheck doesn't have the same mindset.

I'm not saying soldiers don't want to get paid, but it's not their entire motivation.

I'm saying that is the far out and about majority of their motivation. Volunteer armies tend to cross paths with mercenaries in more than one way, and one of these ways is that professional soldiers are driven more by money and potential benefits vs. a blind devotion to God, King, and Country when it comes to joining.

I'm not saying that is their entire motivation either, just that it is the largest part.

[Sociobiology]

since we are now describing something closer to private militaries instead of private police I'm borrowing something from the other thread.

criminals use force to defend their property and often to take the property of others, what in your system prevents them from simply taking by force from anyone without the resources to defend themselves?
if I do not buy into your (one of many competing legal systems) but buy into another (possibly larger) why could I not steal from you with relative impunity?
what does legal mean without a government, does the law change every time I cross the street? is being black illegal on property X, but legal as soon as I leave? If not what prevents this?
How about making littering a capital offence on my property?
could I say arrest all my competitors employees for working for my competitor instead of for me?
you are describing a very very unstable system.

[Terra Agora]

Monopolies. Most companies like these divide territories up between them. The consumers either buy from the company, or they're left unprotected / they're attacked by the company.

Untrue. I can hire between about 4 different telecom companies right now in my local area. Whose to say that I can't hire 3-4 different private police departments, or rely on the government public option?

Monopolies are not creations of the market.

Untrue. Collusion is a result of natural human greed, and if a market is driven by pure greed then there will be collusion. That is a fact, and has been seen in the Gilded Age of the United States. The question is whether collusion is good or bad. Monopolies have low prices in order to keep customers, but they're known to use unethical tactics to squash new entrees into the free market.

No that is not a fact. Dont kid yourself. EVERY monopoly ever created was done so with the help of the government.

also:

[Lomenore]

No that is not a fact. Dont kid yourself. EVERY monopoly ever created was done so with the help of the government.

How? Explain how? We've explained how monopolies can arise when the government does nothing. What evidence is there for your position that every monopoly in history ever was created with the help of a government? And what do you mean by help?

[Wamitoria]

Untrue. I can hire between about 4 different telecom companies right now in my local area. Whose to say that I can't hire 3-4 different private police departments, or rely on the government public option?



Untrue. Collusion is a result of natural human greed, and if a market is driven by pure greed then there will be collusion. That is a fact, and has been seen in the Gilded Age of the United States. The question is whether collusion is good or bad. Monopolies have low prices in order to keep customers, but they're known to use unethical tactics to squash new entrees into the free market.

No that is not a fact. Dont kid yourself. EVERY monopoly ever created was done so with the help of the government.

also:

In your eyes, a free market has never existed. You have no clue what would happen in one.