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Postby ZombieRothbard » Sun May 01, 2011 8:21 am

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Sibirsky wrote:They're armed. Why would they not defend themselves or the property they are hired to defend?

Because they don't want to die.


Why do cops stop armed people now? Why wouldn't they in a privatized society lol? If you don't, you get fired. You need to support your family somehow.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:Because they don't want to die.


Why do cops stop armed people now? Why wouldn't they in a privatized society lol? If you don't, you get fired. You need to support your family somehow.

No they don't. That's a state issue.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:Because they don't want to die.


Why do cops stop armed people now? Why wouldn't they in a privatized society lol? If you don't, you get fired. You need to support your family somehow.

Unless, you know, they make up a story as to why they ran away.

It isn't hard to assume that private companies wouldn't cut costs by training it's police less and less.
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Postby Norstal » Sun May 01, 2011 8:26 am

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Why do cops stop armed people now? Why wouldn't they in a privatized society lol? If you don't, you get fired. You need to support your family somehow.

Unless, you know, they make up a story as to why they ran away.

It isn't hard to assume that private companies wouldn't cut costs by training it's police less and less.

It isn't hard to assume that privatization doesn't work for everything. God, we could solve problems if we just have this in mind.
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Postby Sociobiology » Sun May 01, 2011 8:27 am

by what authority would a private police force be able to detain or arrest someone? And what would prevent me from say hiring people to kill off a competitors guards, if I believed my self secure enough to survive the backlash?
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun May 01, 2011 8:28 am

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Wamitoria wrote:Unless, you know, they make up a story as to why they ran away.

It isn't hard to assume that private companies wouldn't cut costs by training it's police less and less.

It isn't hard to assume that privatization doesn't work for everything. God, we could solve problems if we just have this in mind.

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Postby ZombieRothbard » Sun May 01, 2011 8:28 am

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Why do cops stop armed people now? Why wouldn't they in a privatized society lol? If you don't, you get fired. You need to support your family somehow.

Unless, you know, they make up a story as to why they ran away.

It isn't hard to assume that private companies wouldn't cut costs by training it's police less and less.


So you are a private security officer. You work for Prudential Insurance, and you are assigned to a neighborhood where there are some high value clients. One happens to be a bank, who pays a hefty premium on insurance coverage, with millions upon millions of property insured. A group of bandits storm into the bank, and begin to rob it. You get a call on the radio to stop them. You show up at the scene, and notice the robbers are armed. You cower behind your cruiser, even though you have high powered assault rifles, and you cry like a little bitch. The robbers make off with millions of dollars, the insurance company Prudential only put one untrained pussy on guard to watch millions of dollars worth of property, and now the insurance company must make the bank whole again. You are fired from your job, your family eats lard sandwiches, and the insurance company goes out of business for being so fucking stupid.
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Postby Keronians » Sun May 01, 2011 8:28 am

Sociobiology wrote:by what authority would a private police force be able to detain or arrest someone? And what would prevent me from say hiring people to kill off a competitors guards, if I believed my self secure enough to survive the backlash?


The magical Invisible Hand, of course.

Nah, kidding, I think it was some bullshit about profits and the masses not liking it.
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Postby ZombieRothbard » Sun May 01, 2011 8:30 am

Sociobiology wrote:by what authority would a private police force be able to detain or arrest someone? And what would prevent me from say hiring people to kill off a competitors guards, if I believed my self secure enough to survive the backlash?


What authority? The authority that the private law grants you. And what would prevent you from killing your competition? Idk, maybe the fact that it costs money and lives to wage warfare? Why would a private company want to go rogue and burn through all their money fighting a war?
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun May 01, 2011 8:30 am

ZombieRothbard wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Unless, you know, they make up a story as to why they ran away.

It isn't hard to assume that private companies wouldn't cut costs by training it's police less and less.


So you are a private security officer. You work for Prudential Insurance, and you are assigned to a neighborhood where there are some high value clients. One happens to be a bank, who pays a hefty premium on insurance coverage, with millions upon millions of property insured. A group of bandits storm into the bank, and begin to rob it. You get a call on the radio to stop them. You show up at the scene, and notice the robbers are armed. You cower behind your cruiser, even though you have high powered assault rifles, and you cry like a little bitch. The robbers make off with millions of dollars, the insurance company Prudential only put one untrained pussy on guard to watch millions of dollars worth of property, and now the insurance company must make the bank whole again. You are fired from your job, your family eats lard sandwiches, and the insurance company goes out of business for being so fucking stupid.

Your hypothetical dismisses the possibility that PEOPLE LIE.
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Postby ZombieRothbard » Sun May 01, 2011 8:33 am

Wamitoria wrote:
ZombieRothbard wrote:
So you are a private security officer. You work for Prudential Insurance, and you are assigned to a neighborhood where there are some high value clients. One happens to be a bank, who pays a hefty premium on insurance coverage, with millions upon millions of property insured. A group of bandits storm into the bank, and begin to rob it. You get a call on the radio to stop them. You show up at the scene, and notice the robbers are armed. You cower behind your cruiser, even though you have high powered assault rifles, and you cry like a little bitch. The robbers make off with millions of dollars, the insurance company Prudential only put one untrained pussy on guard to watch millions of dollars worth of property, and now the insurance company must make the bank whole again. You are fired from your job, your family eats lard sandwiches, and the insurance company goes out of business for being so fucking stupid.

Your hypothetical dismisses the possibility that PEOPLE LIE.


What would it matter if he lied about it? The point is, there wouldn't be untrained, unequipped pussies running around guarding millions of dollars worth of property.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sun May 01, 2011 8:33 am

ZombieRothbard wrote:Why do cops stop armed people now?


For reasons other than shit pay and no respect.

Why wouldn't they in a privatized society lol? If you don't, you get fired. You need to support your family somehow.


Good luck supporting your family when you're dead.
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Postby Euronion » Sun May 01, 2011 8:34 am

it isn't but I live in America and cuts to education, police, fire departments, and other public services are being scaled back, defunded, and disbanded just last week 5 fire departments were closed, so with the State and the Federal government crapping out, the only way o defend people without having 50 policemen and women for all of California is to make it privatized, the 5 fire depatments that closed down were bought by a private owner and are now back into service, personally I don't frikin care who the hell is running it as long as it keeps my family and me safe.
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Postby Kleomentia » Sun May 01, 2011 8:38 am

Well..........................................uuum.....................it's not.
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Postby ZombieRothbard » Sun May 01, 2011 8:38 am

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For reasons other than shit pay and no respect.


They do it because they are sadists that have no idea about how ethically bankrupt their profession is.

Good luck supporting your family when you're dead.


Your right, I guess nobody would be willing to protect private property or peoples lives in a free market. Everybody will become evil heartless pussies, whereby they just lay down and let criminals exploit them.
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Postby Sociobiology » Sun May 01, 2011 8:42 am

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Sociobiology wrote:by what authority would a private police force be able to detain or arrest someone? And what would prevent me from say hiring people to kill off a competitors guards, if I believed my self secure enough to survive the backlash?


What authority? The authority that the private law grants you. And what would prevent you from killing your competition? Idk, maybe the fact that it costs money and lives to wage warfare? Why would a private company want to go rogue and burn through all their money fighting a war?


so piracy and pillaging have never been profitable, so the vikings were just f#@#ing around for the fun of it?
want to see how people behave look at history instead of guessing.
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Postby Greater Constantium » Sun May 01, 2011 8:42 am

in the interests of internal government control, thats probably a bad idea..
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Postby ZombieRothbard » Sun May 01, 2011 8:45 am

Sociobiology wrote:
ZombieRothbard wrote:
What authority? The authority that the private law grants you. And what would prevent you from killing your competition? Idk, maybe the fact that it costs money and lives to wage warfare? Why would a private company want to go rogue and burn through all their money fighting a war?


so piracy and pillaging have never been profitable, so the vikings were just f#@#ing around?
want to see how people behave look at history instead of guessing.


Nobody anywhere EVER on this topic has said that piracy isn't profitable. I am starting to rage here, so I will step out to regain my composure before the insults start flying. Pirates don't usually fight other heavily armed bands on pirates. Which is why they go after easy targets, like unarmed merchant ships. So this has absolutely no relation to the discussion whatsoever.
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Postby Euronion » Sun May 01, 2011 8:46 am

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What would it matter if he lied about it? The point is, there wouldn't be untrained, unequipped pussies running around guarding millions of dollars worth of property.


you know you have to be trained to shoot to have a gun license, and whats the diference you have cowardly and stupid cops on the force everywhere you go, so its not like it wouldn't be changed besides the police and fire departments that are privatized are ones that the government closed down so not only does it give the cops jobs and better wages but it gives us protection, its either privatized cops or no cops which would you prefer? and you're also assuming that they would just be cops picked up on the street, there are strict regulations for this, the cops that they hire are usually cops that were laid off by budget cuts or closed departments, so who would you choose to guard your millions? pussies or a trained police officer with a past military back round, what a tough decisiond :unsure:
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Postby ZombieRothbard » Sun May 01, 2011 8:47 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
ZombieRothbard wrote:Why do cops stop armed people now?


For reasons other than shit pay and no respect.

Why wouldn't they in a privatized society lol? If you don't, you get fired. You need to support your family somehow.


Good luck supporting your family when you're dead.


Also, if the criminals in your scenario are willing to risk their lives to go into a bank and rob it purely for profit, your totally moronic scenario where private police wouldn't be willing to stop them for profit is a joke. I am stepping out for a bit, you guys are just infuriating.
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I'm a capitalist and that just sounds dumb.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:
ZombieRothbard wrote:Why do cops stop armed people now?


For reasons other than shit pay and no respect.

Why wouldn't they in a privatized society lol? If you don't, you get fired. You need to support your family somehow.


Good luck supporting your family when you're dead.

Coming from US Army soldier...

Im assuming the only reason you do your job is because of "shit pay and no respect".
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Postby Keronians » Sun May 01, 2011 8:51 am

Terra Agora wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
For reasons other than shit pay and no respect.



Good luck supporting your family when you're dead.

Coming from US Army soldier...

Im assuming the only reason you do your job is because of "shit pay and no respect".


He said OTHER than.
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Postby Sociobiology » Sun May 01, 2011 8:54 am

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so piracy and pillaging have never been profitable, so the vikings were just f#@#ing around?
want to see how people behave look at history instead of guessing.


Nobody anywhere EVER on this topic has said that piracy isn't profitable. I am starting to rage here, so I will step out to regain my composure before the insults start flying. Pirates don't usually fight other heavily armed bands on pirates. Which is why they go after easy targets, like unarmed merchant ships. So this has absolutely no relation to the discussion whatsoever.


you are saying it is not profitable, if taking resources by force is profitable what is stopping it in your system? going rogue is highly profitable, the history of war, piracy, and raiding show just how profitable it can be. If I have the means why would a company not steel there competitors product and sell it, the customer base is there, the price is lower, heck people do this now all over the world in lawless countries. Why waste money mining and refining materials when you just steal them in transit for a fraction of the price. even better keep selling your own version and steal form your competitor until the y go out of business.
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Postby Sociobiology » Sun May 01, 2011 8:56 am

Keronians wrote:
Terra Agora wrote:Coming from US Army soldier...

Im assuming the only reason you do your job is because of "shit pay and no respect".


He said OTHER than.


I'm going to defend sears against k-mart to the death why? people join the army to defend the country not walmart.
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