Privatized police department.

[Hydesland]

Ah yes the "I dont agree with your source so I'll dismiss it argument".

It's the most frequent "argument" used on NSG.

So it should be. In academia, in the courts, and copious other places, obviously highly biased sources, where it is in their political interests to present a certain point of view over others, are never considered good sources.

[Natapoc]

It's the most frequent "argument" used on NSG.

So it should be. In academia, in the courts, and copious other places, obviously highly biased sources, where it is in their political interests to present a certain point of view over others, are never considered good sources.

True, the problem is that many on NSG have no idea how to evaluate sources and sometimes will put the highest quality scholarship enforced by multiple reputable organizations on even (or less) footing with some random persons blog.

At such times I become amazed and saddened at the state of science education... Or just assume they are all trolling.

[Terra Agora]

If you are interested, I will link you a Mises Academy seminar by Bob Murphy on private defense. I used to go by Hans-Hermann Hoppe's proposed model, but Murphy's might even be better. Send me a TG sometime if you make it through that seminar with Rothbard on Mises, that lecture is a must-listen for sure.

Yes, sounds good. Probably Sunday.

Yeah I could go for a go at it. I've been busy this these past weeks but this weekend Im free so I'll listen to the Mises one then and hopefully this one as well.

[GeneralHaNor]

No, I mean I can't tell which ones you are or are not because it's like this:
I am...
I am not...
Greek Orthodox
Bibliolater protestant

Oh! sorry, the left column is "I am" the right column is "I am not..."

Viewing from firefox, it's
I am....(list of positions)
I am not...(list of positions)

I'm not see left column or right column

[Sibirsky]

Oh! sorry, the left column is "I am" the right column is "I am not..."

Viewing from firefox, it's
I am....(list of positions)
I am not...(list of positions)

I'm not see left column or right column

He changed it. Used to be columns. Now lists.

[ZombieRothbard]

Yes, sounds good. Probably Sunday.

Yeah I could go for a go at it. I've been busy this these past weeks but this weekend Im free so I'll listen to the Mises one then and hopefully this one as well.

Were you the guy that TGed me Chaos Theory by Bob Murphy? Murphy has since changed his opinion on the defense model, and he explains it in this lecture.

[Terra Agora]

Yeah I could go for a go at it. I've been busy this these past weeks but this weekend Im free so I'll listen to the Mises one then and hopefully this one as well.

Were you the guy that TGed me Chaos Theory by Bob Murphy? Murphy has since changed his opinion on the defense model, and he explains it in this lecture.

That was Distruzio he sent the same thing to me.

[ZombieRothbard]

So it should be. In academia, in the courts, and copious other places, obviously highly biased sources, where it is in their political interests to present a certain point of view over others, are never considered good sources.

True, the problem is that many on NSG have no idea how to evaluate sources and sometimes will put the highest quality scholarship enforced by multiple reputable organizations on even (or less) footing with some random persons blog.

At such times I become amazed and saddened at the state of science education... Or just assume they are all trolling.

Sometimes it is questionable whether even "highly reputable" sources are actually reputable. I remember on the age of consent topic a while back, me and Cat Tribe got into it, and he linked several scholarly articles corroborating the position that young children who engage in sex with adults are traumatized later in life. Not a single one of those articles however factored in the possibility of a societal stigma being the cause for the trauma, instead of just some sort of weird mechanism built into our brains that makes us magically regret sex we had as a child.

[Coccygia]

Not true.

Precisely. Groups like the Mafia thrived in places where the state's ability to provide public safety was compromised or not-universal. They exploited the underclasses of society, protected them from rivals and petty criminals. It didn't make what they did any less heinous.

People in NSG sticking up for the Mafia. Why am I not surprised? (Can't spend all your time here demanding fair play for Hitler...)

[Scientific socks]

We already have privatized police departments

They come in the form of security guards, bouncers, neighbourhood patrols, guns for hire, anarchists / political sepratists and just thoes with such a small opinion of themselves they need to go around playing cop.

Security guards and bouncers in particular and not very good for the wider public. I dont think we should give any of these groups more power than they currently have.

[ZombieRothbard]

We already have privatized police departments

They come in the form of security guards, bouncers, neighbourhood patrols, guns for hire, anarchists / political sepratists and just thoes with such a small opinion of themselves they need to go around playing cop.

Security guards and bouncers in particular and not very good for the wider public. I dont think we should give any of these groups more power than they currently have.

Why aren't they good for the wider public?

[Lomenore]

Security Guards and Bouncers do OK, but I wouldn't call armed political separatists private police.

[ZombieRothbard]

Security Guards and Bouncers do OK, but I wouldn't call armed political separatists private police.

Who said that?

[Sibirsky]

Security Guards and Bouncers do OK, but I wouldn't call armed political separatists private police.

High end jewelry stores, banks, casinos. Armed security.

[The Parkus Empire]

Security Guards and Bouncers do OK, but I wouldn't call armed political separatists private police.

High end jewelry stores, banks, casinos. Armed security.

They won't get involved in a gun fight, though, nor will they even attempt to arrest an armed suspect.

[Sibirsky]

High end jewelry stores, banks, casinos. Armed security.

They won't get involved in a gun fight, though, nor will they even attempt to arrest an armed suspect.

Yeah, they will.

[Lomenore]

They won't get involved in a gun fight, though, nor will they even attempt to arrest an armed suspect.

Yeah, they will.

Mall security would imprison a kid they catch shoplifting. That's just part of their job. They'd catch them and put them in a room or something while they call the police.

But jewelry stores? Casinos? Banks? I'm pretty sure the guards there would shoot back if someone tried robbing the place. They'd call the police for backup, but it doesn't mean they'd just run away.

[Lomenore]

Security Guards and Bouncers do OK, but I wouldn't call armed political separatists private police.

Who said that?

Scientific Socks did.

We already have privatized police departments

They come in the form of security guards, bouncers, neighbourhood patrols, guns for hire, anarchists / political sepratists and just thoes with such a small opinion of themselves they need to go around playing cop.

Security guards and bouncers in particular and not very good for the wider public. I dont think we should give any of these groups more power than they currently have.

There's a world of difference between neighborhood watch groups and armed anarchists. Security Guards are just there to guard the property of whoever hires them. I can't imagine anarchists trying to enforce any sort of law. Kinda goes against the whole anarchy thing.

[Terra Agora]

Yeah, they will.

Mall security would imprison a kid they catch shoplifting. That's just part of their job. They'd catch them and put them in a room or something while they call the police.

But jewelry stores? Casinos? Banks? I'm pretty sure the guards there would shoot back if someone tried robbing the place. They'd call the police for backup, but it doesn't mean they'd just run away.

I dont know about jewelry stores or casinos but if you walk into a bank while open carrying they stop you.

[The Parkus Empire]

They won't get involved in a gun fight, though, nor will they even attempt to arrest an armed suspect.

Yeah, they will.

Holy shit, no they won't, dude, not unless they're highly paid. I'm not sure what led you to believe that they would. That's like saying a scarecrow will fight it out with pests.

[Sibirsky]

Yeah, they will.

Holy shit, no they won't, dude, not unless they're highly paid. I'm not sure what led you to believe that they would. That's like saying a scarecrow will fight it out with pests.

They're armed. Why would they not defend themselves or the property they are hired to defend?

[ZombieRothbard]

Yeah, they will.

Holy shit, no they won't, dude, not unless they're highly paid. I'm not sure what led you to believe that they would. That's like saying a scarecrow will fight it out with pests.

Why wouldn't they?

[The Parkus Empire]

Holy shit, no they won't, dude, not unless they're highly paid. I'm not sure what led you to believe that they would. That's like saying a scarecrow will fight it out with pests.

They're armed. Why would they not defend themselves or the property they are hired to defend?

Because they don't want to die.

[The Parkus Empire]

Holy shit, no they won't, dude, not unless they're highly paid. I'm not sure what led you to believe that they would. That's like saying a scarecrow will fight it out with pests.

Why wouldn't they?

Because they don't want to die.

Do any of you know the first thing about security guards?

[Norstal]

Holy shit, no they won't, dude, not unless they're highly paid. I'm not sure what led you to believe that they would. That's like saying a scarecrow will fight it out with pests.

They're armed. Why would they not defend themselves or the property they are hired to defend?

Wow. I'd expect more from you Sibirsky.

"Why do an-caps need money if they're trying to establish anarchy?!"