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Postby ZombieRothbard » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:54 pm

Lomenore wrote:If there's something to fight over, and it justifies the investment, companies will fight over it just like governments would. If there's an oil well, what does it matter whether a government or an oil company invades it? You seem to think that wars are always more expensive then the wealth gained by controlling territory.


An oil company doesn't acquire its wealth through robbery, so it is much more difficult for a private company to afford to wage large scale wars.

Let's say Lomenore Inc. spent a hundred billion dollars to conquer Niceguy City, a metropolis of 5 million. Now, that's a pretty big expense. But Niceguy City is now a company town. Those 5 million people have to buy food, housing, fuel, cars, clothing, and everything else from company stores. So Lomenore inc. will make that money back pretty quickly.


Of course ignoring the destroyed infrastructure, the insurgency against the conquerors, and the virtual impossibility of a company with the expertise necessary to monopolize an entire city of 5 million people.

Now that Niceguy City is a company town, all buildings are company property. Therefore, anyone who wants a place to stay has to pay rent. So assuming 500,000 heads of household, with 9 dependents each, pays 500 dollars a month for rent, that's 6,000 per household per year. Assuming there's $150 for water and electricity, with another $50 for tv, telephone service, and internet, that bumps rent up to $700 a month, and 8,400 a year. With 500,000 people paying, that's 4.2 billion a year that Lomenore Realty is raking in.

But of course, these citizens have to eat. So let's say Lomenore Cuisine sells three meals a day for 5 dollars each, that's $15 a day, $5,475 a year, with 5 million citizens. That's $27,375,000,000 a year. Assuming each person in Niceguy City can only eat once a day, that's still 9.125 billion. So adding that to the 4.2 billion Lomenore Realty is making, and the profits from Lomenore Cuisine, that's 13.325 billion dollars a year. That's enough to recoup the costs of a hundred billion dollar invasion campaign in seven and a half years.

Since the company owns the city, the citizens have to work for the company. Assuming a fifteen mile commute to the office, that's thirty miles a day, there and back again. If the car gets 30 miles to the gallon, and the tank holds 30 gallons, they'll need to refuel about once a month. If gasoline sold by Lomenore Oil and Gas costs $5 a gallon, that's $150 per month. Assuming only one person in ten owns a car, that's 500,000 cars in the city, that's $900 million. If half the people in the city own a car, that's 2 and a half million cars, with 1800 a year for gas, adds up to 4 and a half billion dollars.

Assuming fuel costs are 1$ a gallon, that's thirty dollars a month, $360 a year. 360 times 500,000 equals 180 million. If we go with the second figure, 2.5 million cars spending $360 a year on gas, that's still 900 million.

So, if gas prices are high, Lomenore Oil and Gas will be getting 4.5 billion. Add in the 4.2 billion from Lomenore realty, and the 13.325 billion from Lomenore Cuisine, Lomenore Inc. is making 22,025,000,000 a year so far. So there's a mere 5 years before this very expensive invasion starts paying for itself.

So far we're making money on food, housing, utilities, and gas. But wait! There's more! According to the Lomenore inc funded Lomenore Research Institute, all cars not produced by Lomenore Automotive have been declared Unsafe At Any Speed. The company will be conducting a mandatory recall, and Lomenore Security will be strongly encouraging each driver to buy a new, safe, and mostly affordable vehicle from Lomenore Automotive. Our new 2011 vehicle, the Highwayman, is on sale now for the low low price of $15,000!

So, assuming there are only 500,000 drivers in Niceguy city, that's 7.5 billion raked in. They can voluntarily consent to pay the Highwayman, or they can voluntarily consent to be shot dead by Lomenore Security. So 7.5 billion from auto sales, 4.5 billion for gas to drive those cars, 4.2 billion for rent, and 13.325 billion for food. Giving us an annual income of 29.525 billion from our new conquest, paying for the campaign in less then 4 years.

So, under the benevolent rule of Lomenore Inc, residents of Niceguy city have food, housing, cars, and affordable gas. But what about water? Well, thanks to our wonderful corporate state, we have no wasteful regulatory bodies like the EPA. So the nearby water has been bottled and sold, with no pesky purification or filtering. Lomenore Inc cuts out the middleman and passes the savings on to you! But for those who like the very best, there is our Aqua Pura, only the cleanest and most wholesome of drinks. Rumors that it is simply ordinary tap water bottled and resold are slander, and Lomenore Security punishes slander with death. So, assuming 4 liters of drinking water a day, at $1 a liter, that's 20 million liters consumed each day. 20 million a day for 365 days, that's 7.3 billion. Added to the 29.525 billion, that's 36.825 billion per annum. The cost of the conquest will be paid off in just under three years.

So, tell me again how warfare isn't profitable?


I wish I could write more to justify you spending all the time it took for you to write that up. But you basically invented a tautological theory based on an initial premise I do not agree with. That premise being the idea that a private company would accept the risk necessary to pull off such an operation, and then monopolize every aspect of that city of 5 million people. Unless you are a communist, I think you can agree with me that such a feat would be virtually impossible. No single entity has the expertise or specialization to control that many aspects of a society, as evidenced by the failures of socialism.
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Ahh but why share it? If I own the method of delivery; I can can control the market. Competition be damned......

I don't know. Presumably they sell in bulk, or some shit. I know Verizon owns our lines but you can go with someone else. AT&T does that shit to.


Indeed. I think that happened when the evil government broke up ATT......

It can be a pain in the ass. I remember having WAN issues with Japan and China. We had the local bell, Att, the guys who owned the wires, and the guys who owned the fiber which was locked in ATTs center. It was like dealing with a room full of monkeys.......
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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:56 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:I don't know. Presumably they sell in bulk, or some shit. I know Verizon owns our lines but you can go with someone else. AT&T does that shit to.


Indeed. I think that happened when the evil government broke up ATT......

It can be a pain in the ass. I remember having WAN issues with Japan and China. We had the local bell, Att, the guys who owned the wires, and the guys who owned the fiber which was locked in ATTs center. It was like dealing with a room full of monkeys.......

AT&T occupies 1/4 of my building. I hear stories.
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Postby ZombieRothbard » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:58 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
ZombieRothbard wrote:if the startup company has a superior product that is capturing the majority of the market share,


Not sure it would.

as compared to the horribly inefficient monopoly that is charging high prices for low quality goods,


Not sure about this either.


In that case, does it even matter that they have a monopoly? If they have superior products for superior prices as compared to the upstart, than why does it matter if they have a monopoly on the industry?

Because it's offering ten times what the company can hope to make in a decade?


I would sell them the company, then reform it, and continue to do so.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:58 pm

ZombieRothbard wrote:
Lomenore wrote:If there's something to fight over, and it justifies the investment,*snip*


How do you explain DeBeers?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:01 pm

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Not sure it would.



Not sure about this either.


In that case, does it even matter that they have a monopoly? If they have superior products for superior prices as compared to the upstart, than why does it matter if they have a monopoly on the industry?

Because it's offering ten times what the company can hope to make in a decade?


I would sell them the company, then reform it, and continue to do so.


Ahh no you won't. Part of the buy out is either you will be in the new company for a year or so or you are out of the market for 1-3 years.

Let's not forget you sign away your rights to the IP as well.......
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Postby Idealismania » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:02 pm

privitization simply can't work logically. For privitization to work, there needs to be a free market so that supply can meet demand and there needs to be competition to keep prices for services as low as possible. But in an open market system, there are those that simply those that can not afford a good or service. this is fine with certain things like private boats and stuff like that. But a service everyone is entitled to, like protection from criminals should not be based on a market system.

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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:06 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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How do you explain DeBeers?

In South Africa, the major center of world diamond production, there has been no free enterprise in diamond mining. The government long ago nationalized all diamond mines, and anyone who finds a diamond mine on his property discovers that the mine immediately becomes government property. The South African government then licenses mine operators who lease the mines from the government and, it so happened, that lo and behold!, the only licensees turned out to be either DeBeers itself or other firms who were willing to play ball with the DeBeers cartel. In short: the international diamond cartel was only maintained and has only prospered because it was enforced by the South African government.
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Postby Lomenore » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:09 pm

Distruzio wrote:
1. Who determines what amount of money is necessary to provide the products in your abstraction? The consumer? Or the gov't? Or the company? If it is the company, then the company that produces to few products and services will find itself outcompeted quite quickly unless it can secure gov't coercive powers (think DeBeers). If the gov't determines the amount of money is necessary, then we find price controls contributing to a distinct lack of products and services available for consumption - shortages. If the consumer determines the amount of money is necessary, then your argument is completely undermined.


The production process determines how much money is necessary. The producer buys materials, uses those materials, and sells the finished product. If they charge the customer exactly what it cost to make the finished product, then there's no profit. If you can build a nuclear aircraft carrier for a lower price then Newport News, let me know. And then, let the Department of Defense know. You'll clean up rather nicely.

2. Public schools were available before 1980, which is when the Dept. of Education was established. Moreover, public schools were available in the United States as far back as the mid 1600's b/c religious institutions saw that education was their primary responsibility. Before then, it was the Catholic Church in Europe who offered free and for profit education to the masses.


Before there was the department of Education, there was the Bureau of Education. That dated all the way back to 1867. And religious institutions teach religious dogma. Catholic universities of theology taught that there was no way to salvation outside the church, and that paying money to the Catholic clergy absolved one of sin.

The Catholic Church did not educate the masses. They educated people who went to their schools, who paid for the privilege. During the Renaissance, there emerged schools that weren't run by the church, and there was a corresponding upswing in the body of knowledge. Do you want a return to the old ways? Do you want teachers saying the world has to be flat because it's the only way everyone could see Jesus return?

And how can something be both Free and For Profit?

3. Price cutting becomes quite significant quite easily. Consider NS. Did you pay for the privilege of accessing this website? Do you not use it? Why do you think the creators of the game provide it for free to the masses? How do you think they can provide it for free? Advertisers.


I pay Comcast to install and operate my high speed internet access. Max Barry pays to have his website hosted, and the advertisers carry some of that burden. I don't know if it's enough to totally cover costs, but that's why Max Barry writes and sells books. He has a job, it's not like all his income is from advertising on NS.net.

When you, the producer, cannot drive your costs any lower via price cutting, then you lower the price even more, securing your position in the market, by transferring those costs of production to someone else. Not necessarily the consumer, either. The internet is now basically free for everyone b/c of advertisers and fees for bandwidth and such placed on companies. This is how you cut costs to zero for the consumer. Text books are free on the web. My school, the Mises Institute, offers more and more texts for free everyday. I can purchase the texts in pocket edition for $10-$16 and the full versions for more than that, or I can get it free. And yet the school maintains its profitability.


How much does your school charge for tuition? And how many people go there? Does it operate dorms? Does it operate a cafeteria or a book store? You can afford to operate quite cheaply if you do most of your work online. But more to the point, how many important academics has your school produced?
You can get a rather nice job with an Oxford, Cambridge, or Harvard degree. I've read quite a number of books published by graduates of those colleges. I've never even heard of Alumni of the Mises Institute. What kind of professors has your school produced? What kind of publishers? Or is making a profit all your school cares about?

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:10 pm

ZombieRothbard wrote:In that case, does it even matter that they have a monopoly? If they have superior products for superior prices as compared to the upstart, than why does it matter if they have a monopoly on the industry?


Not for certain superior or better prices, perhaps just comparable--both are largely irrelevant here. Suffice to say, the same methods of extinguishing competition exist.

I would sell them the company, then reform it, and continue to do so.


No, no, no. When the mob gives you money for your business, they are giving you money to stay out of that business altogether (and frankly, you'd be lucky to be receiving any money at all, instead of just a friendly "GTFO").
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:10 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
How do you explain DeBeers?

In South Africa, the major center of world diamond production, there has been no free enterprise in diamond mining. The government long ago nationalized all diamond mines, and anyone who finds a diamond mine on his property discovers that the mine immediately becomes government property. The South African government then licenses mine operators who lease the mines from the government and, it so happened, that lo and behold!, the only licensees turned out to be either DeBeers itself or other firms who were willing to play ball with the DeBeers cartel. In short: the international diamond cartel was only maintained and has only prospered because it was enforced by the South African government.


That's the point. DeBeers got is' start and in SA and then used it's power to control the world wide market. Why wouldn't you sell them your mine if they offered you an obscene amount of money for it? Diamonds are nicely artificially high so there is endless money.

I remember one professor saying if DeBeers released all the diamonds they store; they would be valueless. Well except for factory use maybe......
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Postby Lomenore » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:12 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
ZombieRothbard wrote:


How do you explain DeBeers?


Debeers? You mean, a diamond cartel? The same cartel that's been profiting off diamonds for ages by keeping the price high and the supply low? I'd say they're in a rather nice situation from a business standpoint.
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Do you believe people to be incapable of forming "mobs"?

Community Justice is a concept that is not entirely dead in the world.


Yeah, mob justice has certainly shown itself to be consistently carried out in the highest degree of impartiality, justice, and consideration for the rights of all involved.

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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:13 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:In South Africa, the major center of world diamond production, there has been no free enterprise in diamond mining. The government long ago nationalized all diamond mines, and anyone who finds a diamond mine on his property discovers that the mine immediately becomes government property. The South African government then licenses mine operators who lease the mines from the government and, it so happened, that lo and behold!, the only licensees turned out to be either DeBeers itself or other firms who were willing to play ball with the DeBeers cartel. In short: the international diamond cartel was only maintained and has only prospered because it was enforced by the South African government.


That's the point. DeBeers got is' start and in SA and then used it's power to control the world wide market. Why wouldn't you sell them your mine if they offered you an obscene amount of money for it? Diamonds are nicely artificially high so there is endless money.

I remember one professor saying if DeBeers released all the diamonds they store; they would be valueless. Well except for factory use maybe......


The cartel is breaking. Good riddance.

But the point is, the cartel is government protected.
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That's the point. DeBeers got is' start and in SA and then used it's power to control the world wide market. Why wouldn't you sell them your mine if they offered you an obscene amount of money for it? Diamonds are nicely artificially high so there is endless money.

I remember one professor saying if DeBeers released all the diamonds they store; they would be valueless. Well except for factory use maybe......


The cartel is breaking. Good riddance.

But the point is, the cartel is government protected.


Indeed. And that protection allowed them to purchase the rights to mines in other countries.

Again the point being that people will cheat the market anyway they can......
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Postby Lomenore » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:16 pm

ZombieRothbard wrote:I wish I could write more to justify you spending all the time it took for you to write that up. But you basically invented a tautological theory based on an initial premise I do not agree with. That premise being the idea that a private company would accept the risk necessary to pull off such an operation, and then monopolize every aspect of that city of 5 million people. Unless you are a communist, I think you can agree with me that such a feat would be virtually impossible. No single entity has the expertise or specialization to control that many aspects of a society, as evidenced by the failures of socialism.


I'm not talking about communism. I'm talking about a company store, and a company monopoly. I'm not controlling every aspect of this city, I'm simply buying out all the businesses and squeezing the customers by destroying their freedom of choice. That isn't Communism. That's not even socialism. Industry is not owned by the people and held in common. Hell, here, I don't even control all the means of production, like Socialism teaches. I'm just a company with several monopolies and using them to make billions.

You claim a military invasion would be unprofitable. But I showed how a corporation could make a profit rather nicely. You talk so casually about an insurgency. Do you know how many people a guerilla war would kill? In Vietnam, millions of Vietnamese died, and the number of American dead numbered in the tens of thousands. In Iraq, less then four thousand are dead, with the number of dead Iraqis still being counted. Given a choice, which do you think people will chose? Work for the company and get their pay, or get killed in some display of self determination?
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Lomenore wrote:And how can something be both Free and For Profit?

You ever heard of NationStates? Google? Yahoo?

Google, is free. And has $9 billion in cash. $58 billion in assets. Made $8.5 billion last year.

"Free" sells. Free could be very profitable.
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GeneralHaNor wrote:
Sagatagan wrote:
Yeah, mob justice has certainly shown itself to be consistently carried out in the highest degree of impartiality, justice, and consideration for the rights of all involved.

If I may:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy ... re=related


If the news story read "Angry mob strings corrupt officers up with their own intestines" I won't shed a god-damm tear.


So mob justice is a good thing?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:19 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Lomenore wrote:And how can something be both Free and For Profit?

You ever heard of NationStates? Google? Yahoo?

Google, is free. And has $9 billion in cash. $58 billion in assets. Made $8.5 billion last year.

"Free" sells. Free could be very profitable.


Free? Not really; it's basically a barter system. You use their service and they track how you use it and sell your habits......
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:19 pm

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If the news story read "Angry mob strings corrupt officers up with their own intestines" I won't shed a god-damm tear.


So mob justice is a good thing?

It's shittier than government justice, and that certainly says something.
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Postby Lomenore » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:23 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
ZombieRothbard wrote:In that case, does it even matter that they have a monopoly? If they have superior products for superior prices as compared to the upstart, than why does it matter if they have a monopoly on the industry?


Not for certain superior or better prices, perhaps just comparable--both are largely irrelevant here. Suffice to say, the same methods of extinguishing competition exist.

I would sell them the company, then reform it, and continue to do so.


No, no, no. When the mob gives you money for your business, they are giving you money to stay out of that business altogether (and frankly, you'd be lucky to be receiving any money at all, instead of just a friendly "GTFO").


Parkus has a point. If you want to sell the company, found a new one, and continue to compete against them, what's to stop the mob from just killing you?

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Postby Natapoc » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:24 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
ZombieRothbard wrote:In that case, does it even matter that they have a monopoly? If they have superior products for superior prices as compared to the upstart, than why does it matter if they have a monopoly on the industry?


Not for certain superior or better prices, perhaps just comparable--both are largely irrelevant here. Suffice to say, the same methods of extinguishing competition exist.

I would sell them the company, then reform it, and continue to do so.


No, no, no. When the mob gives you money for your business, they are giving you money to stay out of that business altogether (and frankly, you'd be lucky to be receiving any money at all, instead of just a friendly "GTFO").


Even if it was not the mob... Most of the time when you sell a company you are expected (required if you want a single cent) to sign a non compete agreement and they will sue you if they believe you are attempting to restart your old company again.
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Postby GeneralHaNor » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:24 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
GeneralHaNor wrote:
If the news story read "Angry mob strings corrupt officers up with their own intestines" I won't shed a god-damm tear.


So mob justice is a good thing?


let's see
Corrupt Cops backed by Corrupt Courts, upheld by Corrupt Law, passed by Corrupt Politicians, Running a Corrupt Government for the sake of Corrupt Corporations

Vs. The People, holding them accountable.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:26 pm

Lomenore wrote:Parkus has a point. If you want to sell the company, found a new one, and continue to compete against them, what's to stop the mob from just killing you?

In a free market system, they would probably have you sign a contract (perhaps by gunpoint) which agrees never to start up such a business again.

As for killing you, yeah, if you didn't comply, then they certainly would.
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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:26 pm

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Sibirsky wrote:You ever heard of NationStates? Google? Yahoo?

Google, is free. And has $9 billion in cash. $58 billion in assets. Made $8.5 billion last year.

"Free" sells. Free could be very profitable.


Free? Not really; it's basically a barter system. You use their service and they track how you use it and sell your habits......

If you don't log in, they don't track you. Regardless, there is no cost to you.

The New York Times.com. Facebook. YouTube. Fuck, let's just say a lot of .coms.

Radiohead and other bands that use a free service (MySpace) to increase their audience by offering their music for free.

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