Schools in tennessee k-8 not allowed to discuss gays.

[Phonencia]

well, unlike 99.9% of people who have a rude opinion of TN, I live here and actually kno how the fuck things are...

[Tekania]

Can't really judge the entire populace by the actions of their elected representatives... certainly would not like to be judged based upon some of the shit that has come out of the US Congress.

[Norstal]

You know what, I'd rather have school teach about what sex is.

Me, too, but I try to make the argument against homophobic nonsense like this legislation as robust as possible.

Right, but the discrimination against gays comes down to anal sex or kissing the same gender. Hence why bigots don't care about lesbian sex.

Make it fucking blunt. Enough with these stupid PG-13 nonesense. Make it known that sex is about putting a man's penis into a woman's vagina repeatedly. And that, in the case of homosexuality, however disgusting it might be, make it known that anal sex is the same thing, except now everything is anal.

How about we also make clear that (a) straight people engage in non-vaginal (including anal) sex all the time, (b) gay people engage in many sexual activities other than anal sex, and (c) lesbian sex generally doesn't involve penises at all?

And I do think it's important that people learn about the most salient facts of gay people--that they are attracted to and fall in love with people of the same sex--substantially before they learn about the specifics of gay sexual practices. That's already the case for straight people, and it's tiresome to see again and again the objectifying portrayal of gay people through the lens of particular sex acts (particularly anal sex.)

a. Agreed.
b. Of course.
c. Well...one can argue that...nevermind.

However, I don't think we can teach about "love" in sex ed. We can teach that gays do get attracted to their own gender, but not about love, sorry. But yeah, we could teach that first before teaching sex.

[Angleter]

Given the Montana incident recently on NSG, no. But it does still astound me how a nation of the USA's position in the world can be enacting legislation that any other Western nation would have been striking down back in the '70s.

Aye, but then the High Lord Priest Vicar Bishop of Scotland gave a speech today saying that the church should be given the freedom to bash teh gheys. Well I paraphrase, but if you consider the Bible Belt of America to be a theocracy, this isn't the worst they could be doing.

Well, it's either you have the Celtic and Rangers fans bashing each other, or you have them both bashing the gays- so it's really a clever unifying message. Even more clever when you remember that, thanks to a long history of bashing gays, there aren't any gays left in Scotland to bash!

[Norstal]

Aye, but then the High Lord Priest Vicar Bishop of Scotland gave a speech today saying that the church should be given the freedom to bash teh gheys. Well I paraphrase, but if you consider the Bible Belt of America to be a theocracy, this isn't the worst they could be doing.

Well, it's either you have the Celtic and Rangers fans bashing each other, or you have them both bashing the gays- so it's really a clever unifying message. Even more clever when you remember that, thanks to a long history of bashing gays, there aren't any gays left in Scotland to bash!

People still live in Scotland?

[Phonencia]

Can't really judge the entire populace by the actions of their elected representatives... certainly would not like to be judged based upon some of the shit that has come out of the US Congress.

precisely my point.

[Buffett and Colbert]

However, I don't think we can teach about "love" in sex ed. We can teach that gays do get attracted to their own gender, but not about love, sorry. But yeah, we could teach that first before teaching sex.

Because gays can't feel love, amirite?

[Norstal]

However, I don't think we can teach about "love" in sex ed. We can teach that gays do get attracted to their own gender, but not about love, sorry. But yeah, we could teach that first before teaching sex.

Because gays can't feel love, amirite?

No. Love is a concept, like god. Attraction != love. I don't think love extends to even heterosexuals.

Hence it was directed to love in general. Sorry if I worded it wrong.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Because gays can't feel love, amirite?

No. Love is a concept, like god. Attraction != love. I don't think love extends to even heterosexuals.

You're certainly in the minority, and not even the Bible agrees with you.

[Norstal]

No. Love is a concept, like god. Attraction != love. I don't think love extends to even heterosexuals.

You're certainly in the minority, and not even the Bible agrees with you.

That's because I'm an atheist.

I just don't believe love is scientific and sexual ed pertains to science. That's why, I think, it should be taught that people can be attracted to anyone, but not love. So, unless you have a precise definition of love, feel free to convert me. Cause I, for one, haven't felt this.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

You're certainly in the minority, and not even the Bible agrees with you.

That's because I'm an atheist.

I just don't believe love is scientific and sexual ed pertains to science. That's why, I think, it should be taught that people can be attracted to anyone, but not love. So, unless you have a precise definition of love, feel free to convert me. Cause I, for one, haven't felt this.

Not even for me? But everyone loves me!

[Dumb Ideologies]

However, I don't think we can teach about "love" in sex ed. We can teach that gays do get attracted to their own gender, but not about love, sorry. But yeah, we could teach that first before teaching sex.

Because gays can't feel love, amirite?

Gays are Satan's unmanly drones, souls and capacity for independent thought destroyed by the sheer magnitude of their sin. They certainly don't feel love. The only thing they live to feel are the phalluses of heterosexual men.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Because gays can't feel love, amirite?

Gays are Satan's unmanly drones, souls and capacity for independent thought destroyed by the sheer magnitude of their sin. They certainly don't feel love. The only thing they live to feel are the phalluses of heterosexual men.

Don't make me put you in the Awesome NS Quotes topic twice in one hour.

[Norstal]

That's because I'm an atheist.

I just don't believe love is scientific and sexual ed pertains to science. That's why, I think, it should be taught that people can be attracted to anyone, but not love. So, unless you have a precise definition of love, feel free to convert me. Cause I, for one, haven't felt this.

Not even for me? But everyone loves me!

Everyone wants to have sex with you? Lucky bastard.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Not even for me? But everyone loves me!

Everyone wants to have sex with you? Lucky bastard.

I turn their software into hardware.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Because gays can't feel love, amirite?

Gays are Satan's unmanly drones, souls and capacity for independent thought destroyed by the sheer magnitude of their sin. They certainly don't feel love. The only thing they live to feel are the phalluses of heterosexual men.

Who they recruit in Montana, of course.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Everyone wants to have sex with you? Lucky bastard.

I turn their software into hardware.

Did you just make a techie joke? Goddamit, I'm going to have to monitor your every post now, and screen them for such horrible puns. I mean, are you on LCD or something?!

[Buffett and Colbert]

I just don't believe love is scientific and sexual ed pertains to science. That's why, I think, it should be taught that people can be attracted to anyone, but not love. So, unless you have a precise definition of love, feel free to convert me. Cause I, for one, haven't felt this.

Seeing as love, scientifically sound or not, is ingrained in the foundations of our society, I think it SHOULD be taught. It de facto exists, because there clearly is a difference between sexual attraction and "love," the latter probably being a more intense version of what you feel for friends mixed with the former.

[Norstal]

I turn their software into hardware.

Did you just make a techie joke? Goddamit, I'm going to have to monitor your every post now, and screen them for such horrible puns. I mean, are you on LCD or something?!

You people make me want to smash my keyboard.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Did you just make a techie joke? Goddamit, I'm going to have to monitor your every post now, and screen them for such horrible puns. I mean, are you on LCD or something?!

You people make me want to smash my keyboard.

I'm tempted to go on, but wire we so off topic?

Teh gayz. <---Discussion

[Norstal]

I just don't believe love is scientific and sexual ed pertains to science. That's why, I think, it should be taught that people can be attracted to anyone, but not love. So, unless you have a precise definition of love, feel free to convert me. Cause I, for one, haven't felt this.

Seeing as love, scientifically sound or not, is ingrained in the foundations of our society, I think it SHOULD be taught. It de facto exists, because there clearly is a difference between sexual attraction and "love," the latter probably being a more intense version of what you feel for friends mixed with the former.

I think I know what you mean, and I understand there's a flaw in treating sex ed as a science class. It's just unfortunate that we're humans and not Vulcans.

I can't really decide for sure as I do want "love" to be taught, but it's not science. And, if I remember my sex ed class, which was mediocre at best, I don't think I've ever been taught what "love" is. Tell you what though, I'll concede this point, but don't tell the other scientists about this or they'll have my head.

[Painful slowly death]

the Bible (what most people reference to for this) doesn't even bash homos, just people who act like the opposite sex, not directly relating to homosexuality.

Ok, so why do so many people hate homosexuals?!? I'm not one, but I have dozens of friends who are or secretly are, and I hate that they get bullied and abused by others, just because they're homosexual. WHY MUST WE BE SO BLIND!

If you hate so much, i assume that you stand up for them or try to protect them right?

[Wikkiwallana]

No, it depends on what it is. Obviously Spina bifida isn't nearly as bad as something like Asperger's.

Not just a troll, but an ignorant troll. Nice. You clearly do not know what spina bifida is, and to claim such a debilitating birth defect as being born with a split spine is not as bad as the flavor-of-the-month, get-out-of-responsibility-free, pseudo-disorder is just plain ignorant.

Please don't disparage Asperger's. Just because a lot of assholes have discovered they can claim that and get a free pass to act like a dick doesn't mean it isn't real.

[Wikkiwallana]

Given the Montana incident recently on NSG, no.

??

But it does still astound me how a nation of the USA's position in the world can be enacting legislation that any other Western nation would have been striking down back in the '70s.

I think here in Blighty we often miss how very different the centre of the US is compared to our secular wee island.

Southeast, actually.

[Wikkiwallana]

Tennessee. Please.

what are you implying?

cough, south hating bigot, cough

That the entire country is not responsible for the actions of one state.