Schools in tennessee k-8 not allowed to discuss gays.

[SaintB]

Facts have a liberal bias.

This has never stopped conservatives from just lying to support their positions.

Because apparently the world will end.

[Greater Tezdrian]

No, not their personal views on the subject, discussing the thing itself in the context of a sexual education class. K-5 shouldn't have knowledge of that shit anyways, and 6-8 already know what that shit is. Prohibiting student and teachers from discussing it amongst their peers/colleagues? Ridiculous.

Why shouldn't K-5 know?

Because they're too young?

[Phonencia]

HOLD IT, I AM NOT A HOMOPHOBE. srsly, when did this de-generate into insults? I am by no means homophobic, if I were, I prolly wouldn't support Gay Marriage/Rights. my mother even had some gay friends in high school! I don't give a DAMN what gays want to do as long as they aren't bothering me or my children I'm happy.
I kinda agree with Greater Tezdrian, i don't think younger kids should learn that stuff until they're a bit older. IMO PARENTS should teach their kids about sexuality including the Homo kind.
if High schoolers and teachers want to discuss it, feel free. but I don't want my six year old coming home with a book about homosexuality. Im not SHIELDING THEM FROM REALITY, I'd just rather teach my kids about homosexuality myself. when they're older, most people I know would prolly agree.
Soheran. I don't mind totally that they learn it at school as long as I give my permission first. I don't want anyone pretending Gays don't exist, I just don't want my kids to learn it before they're a wee bit older and I teach them about it. altho, with a permission slip I think they should learn it in Sex ed (which I'd rather do at home as well)

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Why shouldn't K-5 know?

Because they're too young?

To know some boys like girls, and some girls like boys, and some boys like boys and some girls like girls? You don't need to go into the mechanics.

This has never stopped conservatives from just lying to support their positions.

Because apparently the world will end.

Isn't that what they're after, Jesus will carry them off to paradise once war in the middle east starts?

[SaintB]

Why shouldn't K-5 know?

Because they're too young?

Never too young; the understanding might be different until they get older but the sooner they learn about something the better.

[Buffett and Colbert]

No, not their personal views on the subject, discussing the thing itself in the context of a sexual education class. K-5 shouldn't have knowledge of that shit anyways, and 6-8 already know what that shit is. Prohibiting student and teachers from discussing it amongst their peers/colleagues? Ridiculous.

Why shouldn't K-5 know?

K-5? Aren't all Kindergarteners K-5?

Anyway, they will 100% know about straight relationships from the get go. We always read them stories about princesses and princes. They see their mommy and daddy. They know that boys and girls are supposed to like each other. Not teaching them about the mere possibility of having a prince and prince marry will lead to this country remaining very homophobic. If they can understand that it's ok for a girl and a girl to hold hands, or for two boys to do the same, then we can actually move forward on this issue.

They don't know about straight sex, most likely, so why would the introduction to homosexual relationships suddenly release the gates of hell?

[Arumdaum]

Why shouldn't K-5 know?

Because they're too young?

Really? How are they too young? I'm pretty sure that almost every child knows fairy tales in which some cursed princess is saved by some handsome prince.

[Arumdaum]

Why shouldn't K-5 know?

K-5? Aren't all Kindergarteners K-5?

Anyway, they will 100% know about straight relationships from the get go. We always read them stories about princesses and princes. They see their mommy and daddy. They know that boys and girls are supposed to like each other. Not teaching them about the mere possibility of having a prince and prince marry will lead to this country remaining very homophobic. If they can understand that it's ok for a girl and a girl to hold hands, or for two boys to do the same, then we can actually move forward on this issue.

They don't know about straight sex, most likely, so why would the introduction to homosexual relationships suddenly release the gates of hell?

^ This.

[Ovisterra]

Why shouldn't K-5 know?

Because they're too young?

If they're too young to know about Homosexuality, then they're too young to know about Hetrosexuality, and must be contained within empty concrete rooms from birth.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Why shouldn't K-5 know?

K-5? Aren't all Kindergarteners K-5?

Anyway, they will 100% know about straight relationships from the get go. We always read them stories about princesses and princes. They see their mommy and daddy. They know that boys and girls are supposed to like each other. Not teaching them about the mere possibility of having a prince and prince marry will lead to this country remaining very homophobic. If they can understand that it's ok for a girl and a girl to hold hands, or for two boys to do the same, then we can actually move forward on this issue.

They don't know about straight sex, most likely, so why would the introduction to homosexual relationships suddenly release the gates of hell?

Because you can only tell children about homosexuality if you tell them about sodomy in graphic detail, obviously.

"Mommy, what happened after Prince Randolf married Prince Ruthgar?"
'Well, first they...'

[SaintB]

Because apparently the world will end.

Isn't that what they're after, Jesus will carry them off to paradise once war in the middle east starts?

We've been fighting wars between Christians and Muslims and Jews for hundreds of years there and yet here we all remain.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

We've been fighting wars between Christians and Muslims and Jews for hundreds of years there and yet here we all remain.

They also believe in burning bushes that speak and that man was made out of mud, would you expect anymore rationality in this part of their belief system?

[Greater Tezdrian]

Because they're too young?

To know some boys like girls, and some girls like boys, and some boys like boys and some girls like girls? You don't need to go into the mechanics.

I was speaking of the mechanics.

HOLD IT, I AM NOT A HOMOPHOBE. srsly, when did this de-generate into insults? I am by no means homophobic,

No one said or even vaguely suggested you were. Guilty conscience much?

if I were, I prolly wouldn't support Gay Marriage/Rights. my mother even had some gay friends in high school!

First, the "I'm not against A, in fact, I have some A friends" is never a good tool of debate. Second, what do your mother's high school friends have to do with anything?

I don't give a DAMN what gays want to do as long as they aren't bothering me or my children I'm happy.

I see nothing to debate on that point.

I kinda agree with Greater Tezdrian, i don't think younger kids should learn that stuff until they're a bit older.

I was speaking of the mechanics. You seem to have a problem with the concept.

IMO PARENTS should teach their kids about sexuality including the Homo kind.

Bad idea. Why? For the same reason Nazi's are not allowed to teach their children biology. The kids come out with skewed world views, while holding beliefs that are demonstrably false.

but I don't want my six year old coming home with a book about homosexuality.

About the concept itself? Why not?

Im not SHIELDING THEM FROM REALITY,

Yeah, you kinda are.

I'd just rather teach my kids about homosexuality myself. when they're older,

Why?

most people I know would prolly agree.

How many people do you know?

[Bottle]

Why shouldn't K-5 know?

Because they're too young?

I had my first crush (on a same-sex individual) when I was 8. You seem to think I was too young to know about homosexuality at that age, yet I was experiencing it. Interesting theory.

Happily, my parents weren't so backward about these things. I had a lesbian godmother, so nothing about same-sex attraction seemed weird or confusing to me.

[Greater Tezdrian]

Because they're too young?

I had my first crush (on a same-sex individual) when I was 8. You seem to think I was too young to know about homosexuality at that age, yet I was experiencing it. Interesting theory.

Happily, my parents weren't so backward about these things. I had a lesbian godmother, so nothing about same-sex attraction seemed weird or confusing to me.

I was speaking of the mechanics not the concept itself.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

To know some boys like girls, and some girls like boys, and some boys like boys and some girls like girls? You don't need to go into the mechanics.

I was speaking of the mechanics.

That's pretty reasonable, 4 year olds don't need to know sexual mechanics, and especially don't need to be taught it at school. By the time they're 9-10 though, you might want to give some details, especially if it's accepted that you would treat hetero- relationships similarly.

[Bottle]

Why shouldn't K-5 know?

K-5? Aren't all Kindergarteners K-5?

Anyway, they will 100% know about straight relationships from the get go. We always read them stories about princesses and princes. They see their mommy and daddy. They know that boys and girls are supposed to like each other. Not teaching them about the mere possibility of having a prince and prince marry will lead to this country remaining very homophobic. If they can understand that it's ok for a girl and a girl to hold hands, or for two boys to do the same, then we can actually move forward on this issue.

They don't know about straight sex, most likely, so why would the introduction to homosexual relationships suddenly release the gates of hell?

And, given that most of those kids are going to have classmates with same-sex parents at this point, I think it's probably going to be way more confusing to children if their teachers and parents walk around pretending like all those same-sex couples simply don't exist.

[SaintB]

Because they're too young?

I had my first crush (on a same-sex individual) when I was 8. You seem to think I was too young to know about homosexuality at that age, yet I was experiencing it. Interesting theory.

Happily, my parents weren't so backward about these things. I had a lesbian godmother, so nothing about same-sex attraction seemed weird or confusing to me.

Poor Bottle, you grew up in a sad abusive environment what with learning about anything other than standard American norms. You must be hospitalized, evaluated, and possibly re-educated for your own good.

[Buffett and Colbert]

K-5? Aren't all Kindergarteners K-5?

Anyway, they will 100% know about straight relationships from the get go. We always read them stories about princesses and princes. They see their mommy and daddy. They know that boys and girls are supposed to like each other. Not teaching them about the mere possibility of having a prince and prince marry will lead to this country remaining very homophobic. If they can understand that it's ok for a girl and a girl to hold hands, or for two boys to do the same, then we can actually move forward on this issue.

They don't know about straight sex, most likely, so why would the introduction to homosexual relationships suddenly release the gates of hell?

And, given that most of those kids are going to have classmates with same-sex parents at this point, I think it's probably going to be way more confusing to children if their teachers and parents walk around pretending like all those same-sex couples simply don't exist.

"What are Bobby and Jimmy doing? Oh, don't worry. They're just cold."

[Bottle]

I had my first crush (on a same-sex individual) when I was 8. You seem to think I was too young to know about homosexuality at that age, yet I was experiencing it. Interesting theory.

Happily, my parents weren't so backward about these things. I had a lesbian godmother, so nothing about same-sex attraction seemed weird or confusing to me.

I was speaking of the mechanics not the concept itself.

I knew the mechanics of sex before kindergarten. Wasn't scary or disturbing or confusing to me at all. What's the problem?

If you can't talk to your kids about sex without getting red in the face and stammering a lot, I highly recommend the book Where Did I Come From? It explains the mechanics of heterosexual sex and the biological process of reproduction in a straight-forward and age-appropriate manner for little kids. It was one of my favorite books when I was learning to read. I don't have one for homosexual sex (they didn't make books about that yet when I was little), but I'm sure there's one out there.

[Bottle]

I had my first crush (on a same-sex individual) when I was 8. You seem to think I was too young to know about homosexuality at that age, yet I was experiencing it. Interesting theory.

Happily, my parents weren't so backward about these things. I had a lesbian godmother, so nothing about same-sex attraction seemed weird or confusing to me.

Poor Bottle, you grew up in a sad abusive environment what with learning about anything other than standard American norms. You must be hospitalized, evaluated, and possibly re-educated for your own good.

Guess so, because a lot of people here just blithely accept the idea that school-aged kids aren't ready to learn about orgasms. That seems so bizarre to me, given that most little kids masturbate at least occasionally (and some a lot more than occasionally).

[Buffett and Colbert]

I was speaking of the mechanics not the concept itself.

I knew the mechanics of sex before kindergarten. Wasn't scary or disturbing or confusing to me at all. What's the problem?

If you can't talk to your kids about sex without getting red in the face and stammering a lot, I highly recommend the book Where Did I Come From? It explains the mechanics of heterosexual sex and the biological process of reproduction in a straight-forward and age-appropriate manner for little kids. It was one of my favorite books when I was learning to read.

Clearly it turned you into a sex-crazed maniac.

[Greater Tezdrian]

That seems so bizarre to me, given that most little kids masturbate at least occasionally (and some a lot more than occasionally).

What? Sauce?

[Ovisterra]

Poor Bottle, you grew up in a sad abusive environment what with learning about anything other than standard American norms. You must be hospitalized, evaluated, and possibly re-educated for your own good.

Guess so, because a lot of people here just blithely accept the idea that school-aged kids aren't ready to learn about orgasms. That seems so bizarre to me, given that most little kids masturbate at least occasionally (and some a lot more than occasionally).

And since no one has told them what it is, they do it in public too.

The amount of times I've seen 7 year olds with their hands down the front of their trousers....

[Buffett and Colbert]

That seems so bizarre to me, given that most little kids masturbate at least occasionally (and some a lot more than occasionally).

What? Sauce?

This is why we need sex education.

http://parents.berkeley.edu/advice/worr ... ating.html