Schools in tennessee k-8 not allowed to discuss gays.

[SaintB]

Ok There is this new bill in Tennessee going around right now that basically says, "Hey In our schools from now on, you cant mention, discuss or do anything with homosexuality." Full article here.

So NSG, I want to know what you think, and why you think they're trying to do this.

In my opinion I think its a bunch of utter bullshit and their a bunch of homophobes.

I'll have you know I live in Tennessee. we are not "a bunch of homophobes"
you frickin' heterophobe.
anyhoo, I sorta support this bill, I mean, I'm all for gay marriage and rights and such. But I don't my school children being exposed to that. and besides, what about all the guys who mock gays? a lot?

So you support hiding reality from children....

Thanks for playing.

[Greater Tezdrian]

Good...I guess.

[Phonencia]

no, I just don't want Elementry school kids being tought about it, their parents may have conflicting views with the school's. and yes I think it'll reduce their mockery in school. you can discuss Homosexuality. like calling people gay? most of the people I know wouldn't want their kids learning that stuff from anyone but them. Tennessee is like that you know. Im not TOTALLY in favor of the bill, it displeases me. I still don't want little kids learning about homosexuality early, if my kid came home from school and told me all about their riveting class on homosexuality I'd be PISSED OFF.

[Arumdaum]

Good...I guess.

How?

[Wanjestay]

no, I just don't want Elementry school kids being tought about it, their parents may have conflicting views with the school's. and yes I think it'll reduce their mockery in school. you can discuss Homosexuality. like calling people gay? most of the people I know wouldn't want their kids learning that stuff from anyone but them. Tennessee is like that you know. Im not TOTALLY in favor of the bill, it displeases me. I still don't want little kids learning about homosexuality early, if my kid came home from school and told me all about their riveting class on homosexuality I'd be PISSED OFF.

That's because you're a homophobe.

[Jimanistan]

Seems somehow unnecessary, at least for the older kids. It's not like talking about homosexuality will somehow turn you into some kind of fashion designer.

Don't they have middle school sex-ed in Tennessee? I have trouble believing that homosexuality wouldn't come up at least once or twice in such a class.

[Bottle]

no, I just don't want Elementry school kids being tought about it, their parents may have conflicting views with the school's. and yes I think it'll reduce their mockery in school. you can discuss Homosexuality. like calling people gay? most of the people I know wouldn't want their kids learning that stuff from anyone but them. Tennessee is like that you know. Im not TOTALLY in favor of the bill, it displeases me. I still don't want little kids learning about homosexuality early, if my kid came home from school and told me all about their riveting class on homosexuality I'd be PISSED OFF.

Honestly, though, people like you are exactly why schools must teach this stuff. You think it's wrong to teach kids about sexuality before they hit puberty, which is like insisting that kids shouldn't be allowed to learn about road signs and speed limits until AFTER they've started driving. Your children thus become a direct threat to everyone else's children, unless somebody else steps in to educate them and keep them from hurting themselves and others.

[SaintB]

no, I just don't want Elementry school kids being tought about it, their parents may have conflicting views with the school's. and yes I think it'll reduce their mockery in school. you can discuss Homosexuality. like calling people gay? most of the people I know wouldn't want their kids learning that stuff from anyone but them. Tennessee is like that you know. Im not TOTALLY in favor of the bill, it displeases me. I still don't want little kids learning about homosexuality early, if my kid came home from school and told me all about their riveting class on homosexuality I'd be PISSED OFF.

regardless of your reasoning you are endorsing keeping the children insulated from reality. I would much rather my children learn about homosexuality in an informed educational manner rather than have someone else's ill informed opinion presented as fact and since there are no opposing views they just accept it; or worse yet find out through the internet or television.

[Greater Tezdrian]

Good...I guess.

How?

Preventing teachers discussing homosexuality with students is good. The students? No.

[SaintB]

Seems somehow unnecessary, at least for the older kids. It's not like talking about homosexuality will somehow turn you into some kind of fashion designer.

Don't they have middle school sex-ed in Tennessee? I have trouble believing that homosexuality wouldn't come up at least once or twice in such a class.

Let me sum up sex ed in the majority of states in the USA.

DON'T HAVE SEX IT'S DIRTY

[Arumdaum]

How?

Preventing teachers discussing homosexuality with students is good. The students? No.

I thought teachers were already banned from teaching their personal views to students?

[SaintB]

How?

Preventing teachers discussing homosexuality with students is good. The students? No.

I have no issue with preventing teachers from telling children their opinions but I fully support teachers educating them on the matter. One does not need to interject their opinion in a lesson and a good teacher wouldn't tell children its good or bad, just that it exists, why, and how.

[Bottle]

Preventing teachers discussing homosexuality with students is good. The students? No.

I thought teachers were already banned from teaching their personal views to students?

Well, see, some people hold the view that homosexuality doesn't exist. Therefore, if a teacher acknowledges that homosexuality exists, they are "teaching their personal views"!

The fact that one "view" is a delusion and the other is not doesn't really factor in. See also: teaching Creationism in school.

[Greater Tezdrian]

Preventing teachers discussing homosexuality with students is good. The students? No.

I thought teachers were already banned from teaching their personal views to students?

No, not their personal views on the subject, discussing the thing itself in the context of a sexual education class. K-5 shouldn't have knowledge of that shit anyways, and 6-8 already know what that shit is. Prohibiting student and teachers from discussing it amongst their peers/colleagues? Ridiculous.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Preventing teachers discussing homosexuality with students is good. The students? No.

I have no issue with preventing teachers from telling children their opinions but I fully support teachers educating them on the matter. One does not need to interject their opinion in a lesson and a good teacher wouldn't tell children its good or bad, just that it exists, why, and how.

I like what Kat does with her classes. IIRC, she has them write persuasive essays on contentious issues.

[Servantium]

No, its entirely natural. But, since you don't like things that aren't natural, you might want to get off the internet. Computers being synthetic and not found in nature, as it were.

Every time someone mentions "natural" on these forum, people take it to ludicrous extremes that makes any sort of debate impossible.

It doesn't make debating impossible, it just means you suck at debating.

[Greater Tezdrian]

I have no issue with preventing teachers from telling children their opinions but I fully support teachers educating them on the matter. One does not need to interject their opinion in a lesson and a good teacher wouldn't tell children its good or bad, just that it exists, why, and how.

I like what Kat does with her classes. IIRC, she has them right write persuasive essays on contentious issues.

Fixed.

[Soheran]

no, I just don't want Elementry school kids being tought about it, their parents may have conflicting views with the school's.

Conflicting views about what? Their parents might think that gay people don't exist, and find that their children learn otherwise? What exactly do you think acknowledging gayness in schools constitutes? This bill doesn't ban moral teachings about homosexuality specifically, it doesn't ban discussions of sexuality per se (it adopts a discriminatory double standard, allowing discussion of heterosexuality), it just forces schools to pretend that gay people don't exist. It writes their existence out.

and yes I think it'll reduce their mockery in school. you can discuss Homosexuality. like calling people gay?

Um, banning schools from including acknowledgement of homosexuality in their curriculum is entirely separate from meaningfully stopping kids from calling other kids gay. And I don't like where this argument leads. What if an eighth-grader actually is gay and wants to be acknowledged by his or her friends?

most of the people I know wouldn't want their kids learning that stuff from anyone but them. Tennessee is like that you know.

I have no problem with parents having no control of their children being taught about the existence of gay people--just as I have no problem with parents having no control of their children being taught about Christopher Columbus, the gravitational constant, the structure of human cells, or other plain facts. It seems to me that middle school, at the latest, is an appropriate time to bring this up, probably during a sex-ed course.

[Buffett and Colbert]

I like what Kat does with her classes. IIRC, she has them right write persuasive essays on contentious issues.

Fixed.

Well, the students write them. Kat rights them.

[SaintB]

I thought teachers were already banned from teaching their personal views to students?

Well, see, some people hold the view that homosexuality doesn't exist. Therefore, if a teacher acknowledges that homosexuality exists, they are "teaching their personal views"!

The fact that one "view" is a delusion and the other is not doesn't really factor in. See also: teaching Creationism in school.

Facts have a liberal bias.

[Arumdaum]

I thought teachers were already banned from teaching their personal views to students?

No, not their personal views on the subject, discussing the thing itself in the context of a sexual education class. K-5 shouldn't have knowledge of that shit anyways, and 6-8 already know what that shit is. Prohibiting student and teachers from discussing it amongst their peers/colleagues? Ridiculous.

Why shouldn't K-5 know?

[Syloria]

fuck, what happened to the constitution? is it void now or what?

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Well, see, some people hold the view that homosexuality doesn't exist. Therefore, if a teacher acknowledges that homosexuality exists, they are "teaching their personal views"!

The fact that one "view" is a delusion and the other is not doesn't really factor in. See also: teaching Creationism in school.

Facts have a liberal bias.

This has never stopped conservatives from just lying to support their positions.

[Malgrave]

It's the good old. Let's not talk about and see if it goes away approach.

[Boadiccea]

How, in any way, is it wrong?

How is anything wrong? Pedophilia is wrong but I don't know that I can tear it down any further than just saying its sick.

Seriously? You can't explain why an adult taking sexual advantage of a child is objectively wrong? You can't figure out the difference between the sexual acts of consenting adults (which are, to a large degree, simply a matter of "taste," such that seem will seem "yucky" or "sick" to you but interesting to others) and a 40 years old man raping a 10 year old girl???