Schools in tennessee k-8 not allowed to discuss gays.

[Unchecked Expansion]

The Bible takes precedent.
And nope, she had STRAIGHT sex to conceive her son. Therefore, she conceived by being hetero

Good for you; live in the Vatican if you believe such.

I've suggested Uganda to him before. I think the pope is too tolerant for him

[Wikkiwallana]

The bible is not the universal law of the land.

I want the Quran to be the law; Therefore, submit to my blade, as you are a nonbeliever and an insult to Allah, because my little book says so.

Then we shall have it out on the field of battle, as the Templar and Muslims of old did! Whered I put my broadsword >_>

You are aware the Muslims won like 9/10 of those wars, right?

Not one chromosome changes when you have ebil homo buttsecks, not an allele, not one single, solitary gene. Therefore, ebil homo buttseck doesn't not alter one's humanity.

But it does. You stop acting like a human, and turn to your own gender. You corrupt yourself.

And you still haven't given any evidence of this being a corruption or inhuman other than your word that it is. Meanwhile the gay people I've met seemed quite human to me, well except for the two I had as roommates that one college semester, they seemed more like anthropomorphic black holes for cigarettes and cheap booze.

[Marcheria]

The Bible takes precedent.
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No it doesn't. The bible is bullshit compared to common sense.

[Grave_n_idle]

Midrash speculates a second (unnamed) wife between Lilith and Eve, yes.

Although only two are argued to have been extant at any given point, since the second 'wife' was theoretically dissolved before Eve was created.

I really need to read up on this stuff, it sounds at least as cool as the Greek myths.

Anyway, the version I heard was Lilith, then we she turned demonwhore, another woman was made from Adam's rib, but he was awake for the process and watching God build a woman from the inside out grossed him out so bad that was all he could think about when he looked at her, so when God took out the next rib He put Adam to sleep first so that he didn't wake up until Eve was finished. It was a condensed one paragraph or so explanation, so it didn't give the middle girl's name or fate.

And it was still more believable than Draconic Races.

The version I read speculates that the second bride is formed with Adam watching (since he desires a mate) - although I don't recall mention of the rib. I was under the impression the second wife is kind of assembled layer by layer. But yes - Adam is supposedly so horrified by the biological processes (with good reason, watching a person being assembled sounds pretty horrifying) that - yes - he simply cannot face his new bride.

So the third bride is made from Adam, himself, while he is unconscious.

Lilith's story seems to be based around her 'sin' and her punishment. She tried to assert dominance (allegedly, the story goes she went on-top in sex) rather than being subservient, and thus was cast out of Eden. Her 'demonic' existence is speculated from the fact that she was cast out BEFORE mankind had fallen into mortal nature. Thus, Lilith must be outside of Eden (and thus, God's grace) but also must still be immortal.

[Wikkiwallana]

The Bible takes precedent.
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No it doesn't. The bible is bullshit compared to common sense.

Screw common sense too, it has too many innate errors and biases. I'll take evidence based logic.

Edit: typo

[Wikkiwallana]

I really need to read up on this stuff, it sounds at least as cool as the Greek myths.

Anyway, the version I heard was Lilith, then we she turned demonwhore, another woman was made from Adam's rib, but he was awake for the process and watching God build a woman from the inside out grossed him out so bad that was all he could think about when he looked at her, so when God took out the next rib He put Adam to sleep first so that he didn't wake up until Eve was finished. It was a condensed one paragraph or so explanation, so it didn't give the middle girl's name or fate.

And it was still more believable than Draconic Races.

The version I read speculates that the second bride is formed with Adam watching (since he desires a mate) - although I don't recall mention of the rib. I was under the impression the second wife is kind of assembled layer by layer. But yes - Adam is supposedly so horrified by the biological processes (with good reason, watching a person being assembled sounds pretty horrifying) that - yes - he simply cannot face his new bride.

So the third bride is made from Adam, himself, while he is unconscious.

Lilith's story seems to be based around her 'sin' and her punishment. She tried to assert dominance (allegedly, the story goes she went on-top in sex) rather than being subservient, and thus was cast out of Eden. Her 'demonic' existence is speculated from the fact that she was cast out BEFORE mankind had fallen into mortal nature. Thus, Lilith must be outside of Eden (and thus, God's grace) but also must still be immortal.

Fascinating. Yeah, the one I read didn't specifically mention sex, but did say it was because she refused to subordinate herself to Adam. Did the one you read mention her giving birth to a metric fuckton of demons every night?

[Draconian Races]

Celibacy isnt BIblically correct. Priests shouldnt be forced to be celibate.

Ok, so what if they choose to be celibate? Is that OK?

You believe homosexuality to be a choice, correct?

So if you answered both to yes, isn't homosexuality OK?

I dont think Celibacy is correct... *But*, it does have Biblical allowance. It isnt *condemned* as homosexuality is. So while I personally think its incorrect to be celibate, the Bible allows it, whereas it states homosexuality to be an evil and worth the death penalty.

[Ceannairceach]

Ok, so what if they choose to be celibate? Is that OK?

You believe homosexuality to be a choice, correct?

So if you answered both to yes, isn't homosexuality OK?

I dont think Celibacy is correct... *But*, it does have Biblical allowance. It isnt *condemned* as homosexuality is. So while I personally think its incorrect to be celibate, the Bible allows it, whereas it states homosexuality to be an evil and worth the death penalty.

Except that your New Testament condemns killings, as I recall. Quite odd.

[Draconian Races]

I dont think Celibacy is correct... *But*, it does have Biblical allowance. It isnt *condemned* as homosexuality is. So while I personally think its incorrect to be celibate, the Bible allows it, whereas it states homosexuality to be an evil and worth the death penalty.

Except that your New Testament condemns killings, as I recall. Quite odd.

Murder, not killing.

And the Muslims won the wars when the stupidity and greed of the Crusaders caused problems...
They viewed the beardless, long-haired Christian soldiers as weak and effeminate.

Then came the Templar. Armored warriors with beards and short hair, that often even used the enemy's own battle cry against them.

The Templar won alot of respect on the field of battle. Except when greed took one or two of their grandmasters down the path of idiocy

[Grave_n_idle]

Celibacy isnt BIblically correct.

Correct - the Bible actually says you should cut your balls off. Celibacy is an acceptable medium.

The Bible takes precedent.

Which part? The Greek and Hebrew scriptures are irreconcilable - which set of laws takes precedence?

Old Testament, or New?

And nope, she had STRAIGHT sex to conceive her son. Therefore, she conceived by being hetero

No, she conceived by having sex with a man. She's still homosexual.

[Ceannairceach]

Except that your New Testament condemns killings, as I recall. Quite odd.

Murder, not killing.

And the Muslims won the wars when the stupidity and greed of the Crusaders caused problems...
They viewed the beardless, long-haired Christian soldiers as weak and effeminate.

Then came the Templar. Armored warriors with beards and short hair, that often even used the enemy's own battle cry against them.

The Templar won alot of respect on the field of battle. Except when greed took one or two of their grandmasters down the path of idiocy

Romans 8:1-3

1There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and to deal with sin, he condemned sin in the flesh.

[Draconian Races]

Celibacy isnt BIblically correct.

Correct - the Bible actually says you should cut your balls off. Celibacy is an acceptable medium.

The Bible takes precedent.

Which part? The Greek and Hebrew scriptures are irreconcilable - which set of laws takes precedence?

Old Testament, or New?

And nope, she had STRAIGHT sex to conceive her son. Therefore, she conceived by being hetero

No, she conceived by having sex with a man. She's still homosexual.

Celibacy isnt removing parts of your anatomy. Its about keeping yourself from actions.

Both the OT and NT. They are reconcilable, but most people refuse to take the time to.

But she broke being homosexual, by having sex with a guy. She had to stop being homosexual and do an action that isnt 'normal' to her, to conceive. Had she stayed lesbian and never sexed a guy, she wouldnt have a child.

[Ceannairceach]

But she broke being homosexual, by having sex with a guy. She had to stop being homosexual and do an action that isnt 'normal' to her, to conceive. Had she stayed lesbian and never sexed a guy, she wouldnt have a child.

You ignore the existence of IVF or a turkey baster.

[Draconian Races]

But she broke being homosexual, by having sex with a guy. She had to stop being homosexual and do an action that isnt 'normal' to her, to conceive. Had she stayed lesbian and never sexed a guy, she wouldnt have a child.

You ignore the existence of IVF or a turkey baster.

Once again, they need male seed for that. A lesbian cant conceive by another woman. Nor a guy by a guy.

[Grave_n_idle]

The version I read speculates that the second bride is formed with Adam watching (since he desires a mate) - although I don't recall mention of the rib. I was under the impression the second wife is kind of assembled layer by layer. But yes - Adam is supposedly so horrified by the biological processes (with good reason, watching a person being assembled sounds pretty horrifying) that - yes - he simply cannot face his new bride.

So the third bride is made from Adam, himself, while he is unconscious.

Lilith's story seems to be based around her 'sin' and her punishment. She tried to assert dominance (allegedly, the story goes she went on-top in sex) rather than being subservient, and thus was cast out of Eden. Her 'demonic' existence is speculated from the fact that she was cast out BEFORE mankind had fallen into mortal nature. Thus, Lilith must be outside of Eden (and thus, God's grace) but also must still be immortal.

Fascinating. Yeah, the one I read didn't specifically mention sex, but did say it was because she refused to subordinate herself to Adam. Did the one you read mention her giving birth to a metric fuckton of demons every night?

I've heard that story - but it gets further and further away from what is in the scripture - where Lilith is only actually mentioned by name once (in the Hebrew - it's translated as something about owls in the English translations). I think that's a retroactive attempt to explain the presence of demonic entities that aren't mentioned anywhere else in the creation stories.

[Draconian Races]

Murder, not killing.

And the Muslims won the wars when the stupidity and greed of the Crusaders caused problems...
They viewed the beardless, long-haired Christian soldiers as weak and effeminate.

Then came the Templar. Armored warriors with beards and short hair, that often even used the enemy's own battle cry against them.

The Templar won alot of respect on the field of battle. Except when greed took one or two of their grandmasters down the path of idiocy

Romans 8:1-3

1There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and to deal with sin, he condemned sin in the flesh.

That scripture has no relevancy to killing XD And its exactly why the OT and NT mesh. Because the Religious laws of the OT are fulfilled, while the Moral laws remain.

[Ceannairceach]

You ignore the existence of IVF or a turkey baster.

Once again, they need male seed for that. A lesbian cant conceive by another woman. Nor a guy by a guy.

Point being? You specifically said homosexuals can't reproduce, and she did.

[Liriena]

Except that your New Testament condemns killings, as I recall. Quite odd.

Murder, not killing.

And the Muslims won the wars when the stupidity and greed of the Crusaders caused problems...
They viewed the beardless, long-haired Christian soldiers as weak and effeminate.

Then came the Templar. Armored warriors with beards and short hair, that often even used the enemy's own battle cry against them.

The Templar won alot of respect on the field of battle. Except when greed took one or two of their grandmasters down the path of idiocy

And who were arrested and executed later for "sodomy"? It wasn't the (gorgeous) effeminate Crusaders, but those oh-so-manly Templars. So much for the glory of God.

[Ceannairceach]

Romans 8:1-3

1There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and to deal with sin, he condemned sin in the flesh.

That scripture has no relevancy to killing XD And its exactly why the OT and NT mesh. Because the Religious laws of the OT are fulfilled, while the Moral laws remain.

It says the law is done, meaning you have no right to hurt someone because they do not follow the biblical law anymore. apparently you don't even believe your own book...

[Grave_n_idle]

Celibacy isnt removing parts of your anatomy. Its about keeping yourself from actions.

Indeed. But the New testament says you should mutilate yourself, and celibacy is a less extreme way to achieve the same end.

You were right - 'celibacy' isn't strictly scriptural, but so few people are dedicated enough to cut off their own nuts.

Both the OT and NT. They are reconcilable, but most people refuse to take the time to.

Including Christ, apparently - who says they are irreconcilable.

Have you ever actually read the Bible?

I'm about ready to write you off as a troll, except most work harder at being consistent.

But she broke being homosexual...

It's a gender orientation, not a promise.

[Draconian Races]

Murder, not killing.

And the Muslims won the wars when the stupidity and greed of the Crusaders caused problems...
They viewed the beardless, long-haired Christian soldiers as weak and effeminate.

Then came the Templar. Armored warriors with beards and short hair, that often even used the enemy's own battle cry against them.

The Templar won alot of respect on the field of battle. Except when greed took one or two of their grandmasters down the path of idiocy

And who were arrested and executed later for "sodomy"? It wasn't the (gorgeous) effeminate Crusaders, but those oh-so-manly Templars. So much for the glory of God.

Exactly. The Templar actually purged their ranks of the homosexuals. The further accusations were an attempt to 'entrap' them, same as they were accused of worshiping demons. Since the Pope didnt like their power and the king wanted their wealth.

That scripture has no relevancy to killing XD And its exactly why the OT and NT mesh. Because the Religious laws of the OT are fulfilled, while the Moral laws remain.

It says the law is done, meaning you have no right to hurt someone because they do not follow the biblical law anymore. apparently you don't even believe your own book...

Incorrect. The Religious law is fulfilled. And yes, there is grace in Christ... grace as in "Go and sin no more"

[Grave_n_idle]

You ignore the existence of IVF or a turkey baster.

Once again, they need male seed for that. A lesbian cant conceive by another woman. Nor a guy by a guy.

Biologically, it's at least theoretically possible to impregnate one woman with cells from another.

Biologically - it's actually theoretically possible for a woman to conceive by parthenogenesis - that is, with no cells from another woman OR man.

[Draconian Races]

Celibacy isnt removing parts of your anatomy. Its about keeping yourself from actions.

Indeed. But the New testament says you should mutilate yourself, and celibacy is a less extreme way to achieve the same end.

You were right - 'celibacy' isn't strictly scriptural, but so few people are dedicated enough to cut off their own nuts.

Both the OT and NT. They are reconcilable, but most people refuse to take the time to.

Including Christ, apparently - who says they are irreconcilable.

Have you ever actually read the Bible?

I'm about ready to write you off as a troll, except most work harder at being consistent.

But she broke being homosexual...

It's a gender orientation, not a promise.

To some are given the gift or marriage, to some are given the gift of being single.

He didnt say it was irreconcilable. The Pharisees took the letter of the religious law without keeping their private lives pure. And he came to fulfill, not abolish, the Law. If He abolished it, the 10 commandments wouldnt exist, and we could kill and covet as much as we want.

And my point is, no homosexual can conceive with the same gender. They need sperm donors (if their lesbian), or to have sex with the opposite gender (queer with girl, lesb with guy).

They have to actually, you know, do what God said if they want to be fruitful and multiply.

[Unchecked Expansion]

And my point is, no homosexual can conceive with the same gender. They need sperm donors (if their lesbian), or to have sex with the opposite gender .

For now.
We've got a mouse with the DNA of two mothers and no father. I'm sure there will be improvements in the process soon

Two guys would be the best if they could get it to work. They could have boys or girls. Wouldn't be as much choice with a female couple

[Grave_n_idle]

To some are given the gift or marriage, to some are given the gift of being single.

Amusingly - you just invalidated you OWN argument about celibacy not being scriptural.

But not what I was referring to.

Matthew 19:12 "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]."

Scripturally, you should be castrated. Celibacy is a less bloody alternative.

He didnt say it was irreconcilable. The Pharisees took the letter of the religious law without keeping their private lives pure. And he came to fulfill, not abolish, the Law. If He abolished it, the 10 commandments wouldnt exist, and we could kill and covet as much as we want.

Horseshit. Gentiles aren't bound by Mosaic law, but by Noahide law. Murder would still not be allowed, even in absence of the law of Leviticus.

And my point is, no homosexual can conceive with the same gender.

Which is irrelevant. Barren women can't conceive, either, and yet they are still allowed to have sex.