Schools in tennessee k-8 not allowed to discuss gays.

[Ceannairceach]

I think you're playing fast-and-loose with words like 'murder' and 'rape'. You're deliberately clouding the issue.

Murder is illegal killing. Animals are not governed by laws. Further, they cannot premeditate the act. Similarly, animals cannot give or receive informed consent, and thus cannot be involved in a 'rape' paradigm.

Murder was considered a death penalty crime in the OT. So was homosexuality. They rank the same.

Only if you believe in that batshit section. Which, newsflash, the government isn't allowed to.

[Wikkiwallana]

You don't hold to the belief that conception is a divine miracle?



Actually, according to Hebrew tradition, God created man and woman and woman.

Which is, of course, irrelevant, since reading the book of Genesis in Hebrew clearly shows that the Eden story is a metaphor.



Of course they can.



You seem to be arguing for a co-creator version of Satan? One that has the power to change the divine design?

You've gone way beyond the traditional image of Satan as a liar.



Rape and murder are not 'ok' because of pragmatism. People that don't want to be murdered tend to agree that murder is bad. Even if it is natural.

Homosexuals having consenting sex with one another doesn't cause that problem. And if it's done without consent, then it's rape - which we've already decided is pragmatically bad.

They dont reproduce, they recruit. They cant 'be fruitful and multiply'.

Eden is not a metaphor, and the idea of Lilith is mixed with paganism...

No, Satan cannot co-create. He can pervert. He can tempt people away from God's design and convince them to do things. Murder, rape, buggering; any immoral, unethical, or sinful act in existence, he can lure them towards.

Animals dont want to be prey. They dont want 'murdered'. And yet they are. Might makes right, or speed makes right, depending on if you are prey or hunter.

And they are consenting to harm themselves, like a suicide pact.

Homosexuals don't recruit, they are born. As for multiplying, we're already pushing hard against the boundaries of sustainable population under current technology. You still have yet to offer any evidence that homosexual sex actual does any physical or mental harm, btw.

[Ceannairceach]

A. And we eat meat too, what's your point?

B. Never said that moral were relative, only that they are things for thinking beings, not non-sapient animals.

C. Horsecrap. We don't kill people, even murderers, because they lives also have sanctity and their death won't bring their victims back. And homosexuality doesn't do anything to the sanctity of anyone's life.

A. My point is that we need to stop half-baking things and using animals as an excuse to be sub-human.

Unless you can prove that being homosexual removes you from the Homo sapien sapien genus and species, stop making that claim.

[Liriena]

A. And we eat meat too, what's your point?

B. Never said that moral were relative, only that they are things for thinking beings, not non-sapient animals.

C. Horsecrap. We don't kill people, even murderers, because they lives also have sanctity and their death won't bring their victims back. And homosexuality doesn't do anything to the sanctity of anyone's life.

A. My point is that we need to stop half-baking things and using animals as an excuse to be sub-human.

B. True, you didnt, but others have. That point was addressed slightly sarcastically at them.

C. Murderers become sub-human. They lose all right to life. If they commit murder, then they give up their life to pay for the one they took from another.

You're not Christian.
The law of "Eye for an Eye" is pre-Judaic and anti-Christian. It goes directly against the most basic Christian belief: FORGIVENESS AND MERCY

[Grave_n_idle]

They dont reproduce, they recruit. They cant 'be fruitful and multiply'.

I have lesbian friends with a son. One of the lesbians conceived her son with another male friend.

Biologically, they can be fruitful and multiply.

Eden is not a metaphor,

Sure it is. Read it in Hebrew - the marriage of Adam and Eve is the marriage of the 'earth' and 'spirit' that is the fundamental underpinning of the Hebrew creation myth.

...and the idea of Lilith is mixed with paganism...

That doesn't even make any sense.

No, Satan cannot co-create. He can pervert.

Then God designed the human anatomy to make it so that the prostate can only be directly stimulated via anal penetration?

Animals dont want to be prey. They dont want 'murdered'.

Are you arguing for self-aware animals? I/m not sure how the concept of what animals 'want' is relevant.

And they are consenting to harm themselves, like a suicide pact.

Ah. So people shouldn't be allowed to do things that are 'bad' for them?

[Wikkiwallana]

A. And we eat meat too, what's your point?

B. Never said that moral were relative, only that they are things for thinking beings, not non-sapient animals.

C. Horsecrap. We don't kill people, even murderers, because they lives also have sanctity and their death won't bring their victims back. And homosexuality doesn't do anything to the sanctity of anyone's life.

A. My point is that we need to stop half-baking things and using animals as an excuse to be sub-human.

B. True, you didnt, but others have. That point was addressed slightly sarcastically at them.

C. Murderers become sub-human. They lose all right to life. If they commit murder, then they give up their life to pay for the one they took from another.

A. I'm not the one half baking things here.
B. Then don't respond to my argument with it as if I was one of them.
C. Fuck that shit, people can repent and change.

[Draconian Races]

A. My point is that we need to stop half-baking things and using animals as an excuse to be sub-human.

Unless you can prove that being homosexual removes you from the Homo sapien sapien genus and species, stop making that claim.

Prove that you stay in it. Noone has proved that its 'ok' to me. And I dont give a damn about consent: If it werent for my religion, Id say consent should be ignored.

[Grave_n_idle]

I think you're playing fast-and-loose with words like 'murder' and 'rape'. You're deliberately clouding the issue.

Murder is illegal killing. Animals are not governed by laws. Further, they cannot premeditate the act. Similarly, animals cannot give or receive informed consent, and thus cannot be involved in a 'rape' paradigm.

Murder was considered a death penalty crime in the OT. So was homosexuality. They rank the same.

Since we are not the nation of Israel - actually reading a Bible occasionally would have explained to you the limits of Levitical law - that's irrelevant.

[Draconian Races]

They dont reproduce, they recruit. They cant 'be fruitful and multiply'.

I have lesbian friends with a son. One of the lesbians conceived her son with another male friend.

Biologically, they can be fruitful and multiply.

She ocnceived it by a male, not by her queer partner.

Ah. So people shouldn't be allowed to do things that are 'bad' for them?

Not if its Biblically incorrect.

[Ceannairceach]

Unless you can prove that being homosexual removes you from the Homo sapien sapien genus and species, stop making that claim.

Prove that you stay in it. Noone has proved that its 'ok' to me. And I dont give a damn about consent: If it werent for my religion, Id say consent should be ignored.

Because, shocker, we are still human in anatomy; Same features, same organs, same skeleton... Everything the same. We were not removed. This said, I don't give to shits about your opinion, because by law, consent matters.

[Wikkiwallana]

Unless you can prove that being homosexual removes you from the Homo sapien sapien genus and species, stop making that claim.

Prove that you stay in it. Noone has proved that its 'ok' to me. And I dont give a damn about consent: If it werent for my religion, Id say consent should be ignored.

Not one chromosome changes when you have ebil homo buttsecks, not an allele, not one single, solitary gene. Therefore, ebil homo buttseck doesn't not alter one's humanity.

[Grave_n_idle]

You don't hold to the belief that conception is a divine miracle?



Actually, according to Hebrew tradition, God created man and woman and woman.

I'm not a student of Hebrew myth, but I remember it actually being 3 women, Eve being the third and final one.

Midrash speculates a second (unnamed) wife between Lilith and Eve, yes.

Although only two are argued to have been extant at any given point, since the second 'wife' was theoretically dissolved before Eve was created.

[Ceannairceach]

Not if its Biblically incorrect.

The bible is not the universal law of the land.

I want the Quran to be the law; Therefore, submit to my blade, as you are a nonbeliever and an insult to Allah, because my little book says so.

[Grave_n_idle]

Unless you can prove that being homosexual removes you from the Homo sapien sapien genus and species, stop making that claim.

Prove that you stay in it.

Your attribution to a species is determined by meeting the 'required' genetic markers of that species - not which way you lean.

[Draconian Races]

Not if its Biblically incorrect.

The bible is not the universal law of the land.

I want the Quran to be the law; Therefore, submit to my blade, as you are a nonbeliever and an insult to Allah, because my little book says so.

Then we shall have it out on the field of battle, as the Templar and Muslims of old did! Whered I put my broadsword >_>

Prove that you stay in it. Noone has proved that its 'ok' to me. And I dont give a damn about consent: If it werent for my religion, Id say consent should be ignored.

Not one chromosome changes when you have ebil homo buttsecks, not an allele, not one single, solitary gene. Therefore, ebil homo buttseck doesn't not alter one's humanity.

But it does. You stop acting like a human, and turn to your own gender. You corrupt yourself.

[Ceannairceach]

But it does. You stop acting like a human, and turn to your own gender. You corrupt yourself.

Because you have proof of this, right? Scientific, verified, tested proof? Supported by the scientific community at large?

[Unchecked Expansion]

But it does. You stop acting like a human, and turn to your own gender. You corrupt yourself.

Celibacy is not a normal human act. Therefore, Christian priests are not human

[Grave_n_idle]

I have lesbian friends with a son. One of the lesbians conceived her son with another male friend.

Biologically, they can be fruitful and multiply.

She ocnceived it by a male, not by her queer partner.

Indeed. She was fruitful and multiplied. Something you claimed homosexuals can't do.

That's all I had to show - why you were wrong.

Ah. So people shouldn't be allowed to do things that are 'bad' for them?

Not if its Biblically incorrect.

Well, which is it? Should they not be able to do things that are bad for them... or things that are unscriptural?

The two aren't always the same. Which takes precedence?

[Wikkiwallana]

I'm not a student of Hebrew myth, but I remember it actually being 3 women, Eve being the third and final one.

Midrash speculates a second (unnamed) wife between Lilith and Eve, yes.

Although only two are argued to have been extant at any given point, since the second 'wife' was theoretically dissolved before Eve was created.

I really need to read up on this stuff, it sounds at least as cool as the Greek myths.

Anyway, the version I heard was Lilith, then we she turned demonwhore, another woman was made from Adam's rib, but he was awake for the process and watching God build a woman from the inside out grossed him out so bad that was all he could think about when he looked at her, so when God took out the next rib He put Adam to sleep first so that he didn't wake up until Eve was finished. It was a condensed one paragraph or so explanation, so it didn't give the middle girl's name or fate.

And it was still more believable than Draconic Races.

[Grave_n_idle]

But it does. You stop acting like a human, and turn to your own gender. You corrupt yourself.

Celibacy is not a normal human act. Therefore, Christian priests are not human

More to the point, by DR's argument, neither was Christ.

Which rather suggests he missed half the point of the Greek scripture.

[Draconian Races]

But it does. You stop acting like a human, and turn to your own gender. You corrupt yourself.

Celibacy is not a normal human act. Therefore, Christian priests are not human

Celibacy isnt BIblically correct. Priests shouldnt be forced to be celibate

She ocnceived it by a male, not by her queer partner.

Indeed. She was fruitful and multiplied. Something you claimed homosexuals can't do.

That's all I had to show - why you were wrong.

Not if its Biblically incorrect.

Well, which is it? Should they not be able to do things that are bad for them... or things that are unscriptural?

The two aren't always the same. Which takes precedence?

.

The Bible takes precedent.
And nope, she had STRAIGHT sex to conceive her son. Therefore, she conceived by being hetero

[Marcheria]

3. Hence why pre- and extra-marital sex should be outlawed. Including oral/anal between straights if they are not married to each other.

Okay, now you are just ridiculous. You can't stop human hormonal desires. Even if it was outlawed, everyone would would do it. Again, this is as natural as homosexuality. Animals do it, and people will always do it. If it was outlawed anywhere, the uproar would be so great, armed conflict might erupt. Get a brain.

[Ceannairceach]

The Bible takes precedent.
And nope, she had STRAIGHT sex to conceive her son. Therefore, she conceived by being hetero

Good for you; live in the Vatican if you believe such.

Or IVF, which would maintain her homosexuality.

[Serrland]

Celibacy is not a normal human act. Therefore, Christian priests are not human

Celibacy isnt BIblically correct. Priests shouldnt be forced to be celibate

Indeed. She was fruitful and multiplied. Something you claimed homosexuals can't do.

That's all I had to show - why you were wrong.



Well, which is it? Should they not be able to do things that are bad for them... or things that are unscriptural?

The two aren't always the same. Which takes precedence?

.

The Bible takes precedent.
And nope, she had STRAIGHT sex to conceive her son. Therefore, she conceived by being hetero

But wait. Christ was celibate. Was Christ corrupting himself?

[Buffett and Colbert]

Celibacy is not a normal human act. Therefore, Christian priests are not human

Celibacy isnt BIblically correct. Priests shouldnt be forced to be celibate.

Ok, so what if they choose to be celibate? Is that OK?

You believe homosexuality to be a choice, correct?

So if you answered both to yes, isn't homosexuality OK?