Schools in tennessee k-8 not allowed to discuss gays.

[Geniasis]

The OP seems to be a bit anti-homophobe. It is a sad day when people want teachers to teach the joys of gaiety but not teach about God.

What is this I don't even

[Wamitoria]

The OP seems to be a bit anti-homophobe. It is a sad day when people want teachers to teach the joys of gaiety but not teach about God.

What is this I don't even

They teach about the joys of gaiety, apparently.

*Didn't know that was a word*

[Marcheria]

Has anybody mentioned George Takei?

He has a campaign to allow teachers and others to use his name instead of the word "gay". For instance, "I support Takei marriage", or "Oh that's sooo Takei".

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/george-t ... y-gay-bill

Yep been brought up multiple time but these guys don't get the message GAY is not OKAY. Takei is though. Its all about Takei Pride Parades.

Gay IS okay. No further arguments, homosexuality is as normal as breathing. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, RELIGIOUS, MORAL OR OTHERWISE THAT PROVES THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG.

[Draconian Races]

Gay IS okay. No further arguments, homosexuality is as normal as breathing. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, RELIGIOUS, MORAL OR OTHERWISE THAT PROVES THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG.

Incorrect. There is religious evidence. And no one has ever proven to me its 'ok' just because its 'natural'.

[Wikkiwallana]

Gay IS okay. No further arguments, homosexuality is as normal as breathing. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, RELIGIOUS, MORAL OR OTHERWISE THAT PROVES THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG.

Incorrect. There is religious evidence. And no one has ever proven to me its 'ok' just because its 'natural'.

As much as I believe in the value of the bible, it only constitutes evidence while in a church when discussing anything other than literature history or past social mores.

[Liriena]

Gay IS okay. No further arguments, homosexuality is as normal as breathing. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, RELIGIOUS, MORAL OR OTHERWISE THAT PROVES THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG.

Incorrect. There is religious evidence. And no one has ever proven to me its 'ok' just because its 'natural'.

So you think that something which has recently been discovered to be scientifically natural, happens in many species, and is the product of biological and chemical factors unrelated to one's own personality, conscience and free will, is "not OK" even though it is considered normal?
If homosexuality had been completelly proven to be a mental disease or personality disorder, then it could probably fall under the category of "not normal" or "not OK", but for almost 50 years now it has been scientifically proven that it is not a disease, it is not a disorder, and it is biologically normal.
Why reject something that is now regarded as natural and irreversible as one's skin color?
If one believes in Intelligent Design or Creationism, then as homosexuality is natural, it has been created by God just like the rest of the Universe and Nature. Thus, if it is something God directly created, why should it be "not OK"? Why would it be wrong, when it is the product of a being that believes in Right and is perfect, incapable of making mistakes?

[Draconian Races]

If one believes in Intelligent Design or Creationism, then as homosexuality is natural, it has been created by God just like the rest of the Universe and Nature. Thus, if it is something God directly created, why should it be "not OK"? Why would it be wrong, when it is the product of a being that believes in Right and is perfect, incapable of making mistakes?

Because it wasnt Made by Him. It was perverted by Satan. God created *Man and Woman*. Not man and man or woman and woman. He told them to be fruitful and multiply; homosexuals cant do that.

It was a perversion made by Satan to defile sex (which was to be a symbol of Him) and further degrade and ensnare humanity.

And just because something is 'natural' does not make it 'ok'.

Animals often kill each other. Some eat or abandon their young. And yet we discourage murder nowdays. Why? Its "Natural". Shouldnt it be "OK?"

Rape can occur in nature. Isnt that 'natural'? Shouldnt it be 'ok'?

[Ceannairceach]

If one believes in Intelligent Design or Creationism, then as homosexuality is natural, it has been created by God just like the rest of the Universe and Nature. Thus, if it is something God directly created, why should it be "not OK"? Why would it be wrong, when it is the product of a being that believes in Right and is perfect, incapable of making mistakes?

Because it wasnt Made by Him. It was perverted by Satan. God created *Man and Woman*. Not man and man or woman and woman. He told them to be fruitful and multiply; homosexuals cant do that.

It was a perversion made by Satan to defile sex (which was to be a symbol of Him) and further degrade and ensnare humanity.

And just because something is 'natural' does not make it 'ok'.

Animals often kill each other. Some eat or abandon their young. And yet we discourage murder nowdays. Why? Its "Natural". Shouldnt it be "OK?"

Rape can occur in nature. Isnt that 'natural'? Shouldnt it be 'ok'?

Difference being that homosexuality, despite your foolish opinions, is not harmful, unlike killing and raping.

[Draconian Races]

Because it wasnt Made by Him. It was perverted by Satan. God created *Man and Woman*. Not man and man or woman and woman. He told them to be fruitful and multiply; homosexuals cant do that.

It was a perversion made by Satan to defile sex (which was to be a symbol of Him) and further degrade and ensnare humanity.

And just because something is 'natural' does not make it 'ok'.

Animals often kill each other. Some eat or abandon their young. And yet we discourage murder nowdays. Why? Its "Natural". Shouldnt it be "OK?"

Rape can occur in nature. Isnt that 'natural'? Shouldnt it be 'ok'?

Difference being that homosexuality, despite your foolish opinions, is not harmful, unlike killing and raping.

Not really. Animals kill each other to feed themselves and their family. They rape others of their species to impregnate them and continue their line.

[Wikkiwallana]

If one believes in Intelligent Design or Creationism, then as homosexuality is natural, it has been created by God just like the rest of the Universe and Nature. Thus, if it is something God directly created, why should it be "not OK"? Why would it be wrong, when it is the product of a being that believes in Right and is perfect, incapable of making mistakes?

Because it wasnt Made by Him. It was perverted by Satan. God created *Man and Woman*. Not man and man or woman and woman. He told them to be fruitful and multiply; homosexuals cant do that.

It was a perversion made by Satan to defile sex (which was to be a symbol of Him) and further degrade and ensnare humanity.

And just because something is 'natural' does not make it 'ok'.

Animals often kill each other. Some eat or abandon their young. And yet we discourage murder nowdays. Why? Its "Natural". Shouldnt it be "OK?"

Rape can occur in nature. Isnt that 'natural'? Shouldnt it be 'ok'?

Enough with the animals murder and rape bullshit. Most do not have self-aware minds, as such they do not and cannot understand abstract moral principles like sanctity of life and consent, therefore they are not murdering and raping, they are following instincts. We can understand such things, that's why we don't just randomly kill each other and force ourselves on whoever's nearby when we are in the mood. We are also capable of realizing that consensual sex between any two (or more) people doesn't harm anyone and therefore it's fine.

[Ceannairceach]

Difference being that homosexuality, despite your foolish opinions, is not harmful, unlike killing and raping.

Not really. Animals kill each other to feed themselves and their family. They rape others of their species to impregnate them and continue their line.

Both of which harm a participating party, which homosexuality doesn't.

[Draconian Races]

Enough with the animals murder and rape bullshit. Most do not have self-aware minds, as such they do not and cannot understand abstract moral principles like sanctity of life and consent, therefore they are not murdering and raping, they are following instincts. We can understand such things, that's why we don't just randomly kill each other and force ourselves on whoever's nearby when we are in the mood. We are also capable of realizing that consensual sex between any two (or more) people doesn't harm anyone and therefore it's fine.

A. Even if they did, a leopard would still hunt prey.

B. We obviously dont understand morals if they are relative. Animals live by a pretty 'relative' moral ground. Why should we be better? Unless, gasp, we have objective standards?

C. Life has no sanctity. Not according to the views of the Left.... pro-abortion, often no death penalty for murderers, people who would let homosexuals corrupt our land...

Either truly be above the animals, or be like them. Stop taking bits and pieces of their behavior to normalize human perversion, and rejecting the parts you dont like.

[Grave_n_idle]

Because it wasnt Made by Him. It was perverted by Satan.

You don't hold to the belief that conception is a divine miracle?

God created *Man and Woman*. Not man and man or woman and woman.

Actually, according to Hebrew tradition, God created man and woman and woman.

Which is, of course, irrelevant, since reading the book of Genesis in Hebrew clearly shows that the Eden story is a metaphor.

He told them to be fruitful and multiply; homosexuals cant do that.

Of course they can.

It was a perversion made by Satan to defile sex (which was to be a symbol of Him) and further degrade and ensnare humanity.

You seem to be arguing for a co-creator version of Satan? One that has the power to change the divine design?

You've gone way beyond the traditional image of Satan as a liar.

And just because something is 'natural' does not make it 'ok'.

Animals often kill each other. Some eat or abandon their young. And yet we discourage murder nowdays. Why? Its "Natural". Shouldnt it be "OK?"

Rape can occur in nature. Isnt that 'natural'? Shouldnt it be 'ok'?

Rape and murder are not 'ok' because of pragmatism. People that don't want to be murdered tend to agree that murder is bad. Even if it is natural.

Homosexuals having consenting sex with one another doesn't cause that problem. And if it's done without consent, then it's rape - which we've already decided is pragmatically bad.

[Draconian Races]

Not really. Animals kill each other to feed themselves and their family. They rape others of their species to impregnate them and continue their line.

Both of which harm a participating party, which homosexuality doesn't.

Homosexuality harms both partners in it. Improper usage of intimate parts, degradation of their humanity, possible disease risks...

[Ceannairceach]

C. Life has no sanctity. Not according to the views of the Left.... pro-abortion, often no death penalty for murderers, people who would let homosexuals corrupt our land...

1) Pro abortion is favoring the life of a sentient rather than that of a nonsentient. No conflict.
2) Believing that all people are deserving of life, even murderers. No conflict.
3) Homosexuals are living, shocking, I know. No conflict.

Stop spouting idiocy.

[Serrland]

Both of which harm a participating party, which homosexuality doesn't.

Homosexuality harms both partners in it. Improper usage of intimate parts, degradation of their humanity, possible disease risks...

Improper use of intimate parts? What?

Degredation of their humanity? What?

Possible disease risk? Breathing is a possible disease risk. So is drinking water. Strangely enough, I'm willing to bet you do both. Abombination!

[Ceannairceach]

Both of which harm a participating party, which homosexuality doesn't.

Homosexuality harms both partners in it. Improper usage of intimate parts, degradation of their humanity, possible disease risks...

1. Untrue; The penis and arse both respond to stimulation anally, which is why a good number of people enjoy it.
2. In your opinion, perhaps, but not in everyone's.
3. There is a disease risk in everything sexual, not just homosexual sex.

[Draconian Races]

Because it wasnt Made by Him. It was perverted by Satan.

You don't hold to the belief that conception is a divine miracle?

God created *Man and Woman*. Not man and man or woman and woman.

Actually, according to Hebrew tradition, God created man and woman and woman.

Which is, of course, irrelevant, since reading the book of Genesis in Hebrew clearly shows that the Eden story is a metaphor.

He told them to be fruitful and multiply; homosexuals cant do that.

Of course they can.

It was a perversion made by Satan to defile sex (which was to be a symbol of Him) and further degrade and ensnare humanity.

You seem to be arguing for a co-creator version of Satan? One that has the power to change the divine design?

You've gone way beyond the traditional image of Satan as a liar.

And just because something is 'natural' does not make it 'ok'.

Animals often kill each other. Some eat or abandon their young. And yet we discourage murder nowdays. Why? Its "Natural". Shouldnt it be "OK?"

Rape can occur in nature. Isnt that 'natural'? Shouldnt it be 'ok'?

Rape and murder are not 'ok' because of pragmatism. People that don't want to be murdered tend to agree that murder is bad. Even if it is natural.

Homosexuals having consenting sex with one another doesn't cause that problem. And if it's done without consent, then it's rape - which we've already decided is pragmatically bad.

They dont reproduce, they recruit. They cant 'be fruitful and multiply'.

Eden is not a metaphor, and the idea of Lilith is mixed with paganism...

No, Satan cannot co-create. He can pervert. He can tempt people away from God's design and convince them to do things. Murder, rape, buggering; any immoral, unethical, or sinful act in existence, he can lure them towards.

Animals dont want to be prey. They dont want 'murdered'. And yet they are. Might makes right, or speed makes right, depending on if you are prey or hunter.

And they are consenting to harm themselves, like a suicide pact.

[Grave_n_idle]

Difference being that homosexuality, despite your foolish opinions, is not harmful, unlike killing and raping.

Not really. Animals kill each other to feed themselves and their family. They rape others of their species to impregnate them and continue their line.

I think you're playing fast-and-loose with words like 'murder' and 'rape'. You're deliberately clouding the issue.

Murder is illegal killing. Animals are not governed by laws. Further, they cannot premeditate the act. Similarly, animals cannot give or receive informed consent, and thus cannot be involved in a 'rape' paradigm.

[Wikkiwallana]

Enough with the animals murder and rape bullshit. Most do not have self-aware minds, as such they do not and cannot understand abstract moral principles like sanctity of life and consent, therefore they are not murdering and raping, they are following instincts. We can understand such things, that's why we don't just randomly kill each other and force ourselves on whoever's nearby when we are in the mood. We are also capable of realizing that consensual sex between any two (or more) people doesn't harm anyone and therefore it's fine.

A. Even if they did, a leopard would still hunt prey.

B. We obviously dont understand morals if they are relative. Animals live by a pretty 'relative' moral ground. Why should we be better? Unless, gasp, we have objective standards?

C. Life has no sanctity. Not according to the views of the Left.... pro-abortion, often no death penalty for murderers, people who would let homosexuals corrupt our land...

Either truly be above the animals, or be like them. Stop taking bits and pieces of their behavior to normalize human perversion, and rejecting the parts you dont like.

See, you're the one advocating being like the animals, I'm advocating using our God given brains and thinking for a change.

A. And we eat meat too, what's your point?

B. Never said that moral were relative, only that they are things for thinking beings, not non-sapient animals.

C. Horsecrap. We don't kill people, even murderers, because they lives also have sanctity and their death won't bring their victims back. And homosexuality doesn't do anything to the sanctity of anyone's life.

[Draconian Races]

Homosexuality harms both partners in it. Improper usage of intimate parts, degradation of their humanity, possible disease risks...

1. Untrue; The penis and arse both respond to stimulation anally, which is why a good number of people enjoy it.
2. In your opinion, perhaps, but not in everyone's.
3. There is a disease risk in everything sexual, not just homosexual sex.

1. And some people get their kicks off of torturing people... even those who dont consent, who arent BDSM or SnM fans.
2. Not opinion. Fact.
3. Hence why pre- and extra-marital sex should be outlawed. Including oral/anal between straights if they are not married to each other.

[Draconian Races]

Not really. Animals kill each other to feed themselves and their family. They rape others of their species to impregnate them and continue their line.

I think you're playing fast-and-loose with words like 'murder' and 'rape'. You're deliberately clouding the issue.

Murder is illegal killing. Animals are not governed by laws. Further, they cannot premeditate the act. Similarly, animals cannot give or receive informed consent, and thus cannot be involved in a 'rape' paradigm.

Murder was considered a death penalty crime in the OT. So was homosexuality. They rank the same.

[Wikkiwallana]

Because it wasnt Made by Him. It was perverted by Satan.

You don't hold to the belief that conception is a divine miracle?

God created *Man and Woman*. Not man and man or woman and woman.

Actually, according to Hebrew tradition, God created man and woman and woman.

I'm not a student of Hebrew myth, but I remember it actually being 3 women, Eve being the third and final one.

[Draconian Races]

A. And we eat meat too, what's your point?

B. Never said that moral were relative, only that they are things for thinking beings, not non-sapient animals.

C. Horsecrap. We don't kill people, even murderers, because they lives also have sanctity and their death won't bring their victims back. And homosexuality doesn't do anything to the sanctity of anyone's life.

A. My point is that we need to stop half-baking things and using animals as an excuse to be sub-human.

B. True, you didnt, but others have. That point was addressed slightly sarcastically at them.

C. Murderers become sub-human. They lose all right to life. If they commit murder, then they give up their life to pay for the one they took from another.

[Ceannairceach]

1. Untrue; The penis and arse both respond to stimulation anally, which is why a good number of people enjoy it.
2. In your opinion, perhaps, but not in everyone's.
3. There is a disease risk in everything sexual, not just homosexual sex.

1. And some people get their kicks off of torturing people... even those who dont consent, who arent BDSM or SnM fans.
2. Not opinion. Fact.
3. Hence why pre- and extra-marital sex should be outlawed. Including oral/anal between straights if they are not married to each other.

1) Then they are doing things without consent, which is harmful.
2) No, its opinion. Unless you can offer proof to that wild and unprovable claim.
3) People can lie. Even straights can lie and deny having x disease, and get married, spreading it. Or be polygamous, and spread it.