O'Reilly on Amsterdam: lies and statistical ignorance

[Dakini]

Not theory, fact. There is no disputing that the nation would be a better place if all the shitbags dealing drugs, feeding off our government, raping women, robbing banks and convenience stores, doing driveby shootings, running out on their families, mugging pedestrians, carjacking motorists, shooting at officers, etc..., were to all end up in a ditch simultaneously.

O'Reilly's claim was that the US has fewer drug dealers and less organized crime than the Netherlands because organized crime increases when drugs and prostitution are legal. If the only people being murdered are drug dealers and gang members, then the fact that the US has triple the homicide rate would indicate that the US has triple the gang and drug dealing activity (using your logic).

[Brewdomia]

Hardcore conservatives defend bill... a lot

[Ifreann]

Not theory, fact. There is no disputing that the nation would be a better place if all the shitbags dealing drugs, feeding off our government, raping women, robbing banks and convenience stores, doing driveby shootings, running out on their families, mugging pedestrians, carjacking motorists, shooting at officers, etc..., were to all end up in a ditch simultaneously.

I lolled.

Let's extend this argument, shall we? According to you, the higher the homicide rate, the better, right?

The Third Reich was a great place to live circa 1945.

[Rejistania]

and for fucks sake, quit using USian. ITS AMERICAN.

yes I am tired of that shit. You can do that for ANY country. The Saudis will be know as KSAian, the Chinese as PRCian. The Brits as UKian. The Russians RFian. Catch my drift? It's AMERICAN as Parthenon correctly pointed out.

Well, seeing that I came from a country with a TLA as well and never had an issue with being FRGan or from the BRD, and that I now live in a supernational entity with a two letter acronym and don't mind being EUropean, I fail to see the issue with the abbreviations you suggested. Actually, I think that PRCan might be superior to 'mainland China' in ambiguous situations.

[The Alma Mater]

And let us once again link to the Mercer quality of living survey.

http://www.mercer.com/qualityofliving

Amsterdam: place 13.
Highest ranking American cities: Honolulu (29) and San Francisco (30).

So.. if Amsterdam is a shithole, what does that make the cities of the USA ?

[Gelgisith]

and for fucks sake, quit using USian. ITS AMERICAN.

yes I am tired of that shit. You can do that for ANY country. The Saudis will be know as KSAian, the Chinese as PRCian. The Brits as UKian. The Russians RFian. Catch my drift? It's AMERICAN as Parthenon correctly pointed out.

Well, seeing that I came from a country with a TLA as well and never had an issue with being FRGan or from the BRD, and that I now live in a supernational entity with a two letter acronym and don't mind being EUropean, I fail to see the issue with the abbreviations you suggested. Actually, I think that PRCan might be superior to 'mainland China' in ambiguous situations.

I too don't mind being called EUan, and likewise i'll use USan if i feel like it. And Parthenon's outrages makes me feel like it, tbh.

[East Canuck]

and for fucks sake, quit using USian. ITS AMERICAN.

Make me, USian.

As for Bill O'lielly, it's business as usual it seems. Not only should people sue his ass off for slander (or libel, I forget) they should also boycott anything associated with him or his show.

Money talks.

[Treznor]

As a native-born USian, I disavow any association with Bill O'Reilly and renounce him as a partisan blowhard and propagandist.

Thank you.

[Tybra]

Wait drugs are legal here? Last time i checked the Dutch law, drugs are still illegal. The only thing that really changed was something called a 'tolerance policy' (gedoogbeleid). Meaning we tolerate usage of drugs and selling of drugs (yet not harvesting and production on large scale). This had become much more limited because we didn't want our children to smoke pot as it could affect their performance at school.

And that organized crime (20 guys with a white van) weren't really all that mighty.

Personally i'm not very worried about it, i'm more concerned people actually vote on a certain dutch right-winged political group led by a man with a haircut that still makes me dizzy.

[The Alma Mater]

Wait drugs are legal here? Last time i checked the Dutch law, drugs are still illegal.

In practice the courts have decided that the "gedoogbeleid" has been in effect for so long, one cannot suddenly decide to wihdraw tolerance and crack down on it anymore.

So in practice they indeed are legal.

[Free Soviets]

Not theory, fact. There is no disputing that the nation would be a better place if all the shitbags dealing drugs, feeding off our government, raping women, robbing banks and convenience stores, doing driveby shootings, running out on their families, mugging pedestrians, carjacking motorists, shooting at officers, etc..., were to all end up in a ditch simultaneously.

O'Reilly's claim was that the US has fewer drug dealers and less organized crime than the Netherlands because organized crime increases when drugs and prostitution are legal. If the only people being murdered are drug dealers and gang members, then the fact that the US has triple the homicide rate would indicate that the US has triple the gang and drug dealing activity (using your logic).

which, in turn, proves that despite appearances we are three times as permissive as those damn europeans, and we should therefore try to emulate their harsh and forbidding cultures

[Grittonia]

Wait drugs are legal here? Last time i checked the Dutch law, drugs are still illegal. The only thing that really changed was something called a 'tolerance policy' (gedoogbeleid). Meaning we tolerate usage of drugs and selling of drugs (yet not harvesting and production on large scale). This had become much more limited because we didn't want our children to smoke pot as it could affect their performance at school.

And that organized crime (20 guys with a white van) weren't really all that mighty.

Personally i'm not very worried about it, i'm more concerned people actually vote on a certain dutch right-winged political group led by a man with a haircut that still makes me dizzy.

Don't be against Geertje.
He has some good stuff too!

[Hydesland]

Unfortunately, Amsterdam does have a LOT of crime, and it has some really very nasty and seedy areas, I've seen them myself.

[Grittonia]

Unfortunately, Amsterdam does have a LOT of crime, and it has some really very nasty and seedy areas, I've seen them myself.

It was better when the Wallen had its own (criminal) 'security' force.

[The Alma Mater]

Unfortunately, Amsterdam does have a LOT of crime, and it has some really very nasty and seedy areas, I've seen them myself.

Certainly - there is a lot of room for improvement.
However, Amsterdam is still miles above US cities where safety, quality of life etc are concerned. Which some Foxy people seem to forget

For reference, these are some pictures of the "Kolenkitbuurt" - the worst neighbourhood in the whole Netherlands according to a leaked government list - located in Amsterdam. Behold - this is the worst ghetto of the Netherlands and Amsterdam:

You can virtually walk around there using google maps. Look for "Burgemeester de Vlugtlaan, Amsterdam"

[The Atlantian islands]

Cuba under Battista before (but not during) communism was a cesspool of crime drugs and prostitution.

Aehm....are you sure you want to argue that point? One of the things current, Communist Cuba is most infamous for is the rampant prostitution that exists because in many cases there are no other opportunities to make a "good" living.

http://havanajournal.com/culture/entry/ ... ostitutes/

[Dakini]

Cuba under Battista before (but not during) communism was a cesspool of crime drugs and prostitution.

Aehm....are you sure you want to argue that point? One of the things current, Communist Cuba is most infamous for is the rampant prostitution that exists because in many cases there are no other opportunities to make a "good" living.

http://havanajournal.com/culture/entry/ ... ostitutes/

Not relevant to the thread.

[The Atlantian islands]

Unfortunately, Amsterdam does have a LOT of crime, and it has some really very nasty and seedy areas, I've seen them myself.

Certainly - there is a lot of room for improvement.
However, Amsterdam is still miles above US cities where safety, quality of life etc are concerned. Which some Foxy people seem to forget

For reference, these are some pictures of the "Kolenkitbuurt" - the worst neighbourhood in the whole Netherlands according to a leaked government list - located in Amsterdam. Behold - this is the worst ghetto of the Netherlands and Amsterdam:

You can virtually walk around there using google maps. Look for "Burgemeester de Vlugtlaan, Amsterdam"

Just because the infrastructure looks ok, doesn't mean it really isn't that bad. Those areas most unsafe in Holland are usually muslim, North Africa, immigrant ghettos where it can be very, very unsafe to go if you are not, for example Moroccan or so.

[The Atlantian islands]

Cuba under Battista before (but not during) communism was a cesspool of crime drugs and prostitution.

Aehm....are you sure you want to argue that point? One of the things current, Communist Cuba is most infamous for is the rampant prostitution that exists because in many cases there are no other opportunities to make a "good" living.

http://havanajournal.com/culture/entry/ ... ostitutes/

Not relevant to the thread.

Relevant to that guy's "point".

[Gift-of-god]

Just because the infrastructure looks ok, doesn't mean it really isn't that bad. Those areas most unsafe in Holland are usually muslim, North Africa, immigrant ghettos poor neighbourhoods where it can be very, very unsafe to go if you are not, for example Moroccan or so.

Fixed.

[The Atlantian islands]

Just because the infrastructure looks ok, doesn't mean it really isn't that bad. Those areas most unsafe in Holland are usually muslim, North Africa, immigrant ghettos poor neighbourhoods where it can be very, very unsafe to go if you are not, for example Moroccan or so.

Fixed.

Actually, that's not fixed. Poor "Dutch" neighborhoods are not the ones notorious in the Netherlands. Those are areas that have large north african immigrant communities.

For example, Rotterdam is notorious for its crime and issues because it has one of the largest concentrations of foreingers in Holland. It has alot or problems and that was directly responsible for the popularity of Pim Fortuyn (who came from Rotterdam) as he was approved by the Dutch in that city who were fed up with the ghettoization of their city.

You can't "fix" what you have clearly no idea about.

[Gift-of-god]

Actually, that's not fixed. Poor "Dutch" neighborhoods are not the ones notorious in the Netherlands. Those are areas that have large north african immigrant communities....

I don't think I 'm going to believe you without evidence.

[Intangelon]

Drug death statistics are garbage, people do that to themselves.

Homicide rate is also pretty much negated when you realize that a majority of those are just shitbags killing shitbags. If the rate went up another 10 people or so it would be even better.

So, your theory is that a higher homicide rate is a good thing?

Not theory, fact. There is no disputing that the nation would be a better place if all the shitbags dealing drugs, feeding off our government, raping women, robbing banks and convenience stores, doing driveby shootings, running out on their families, mugging pedestrians, carjacking motorists, shooting at officers, etc..., were to all end up in a ditch simultaneously.

Who Would Jesus Abandon?

[Intangelon]

Amsterdam is a shithole. There is nothign wrong with what he said. Hell, if you watched the ACTUAL report you would realize it covered positives as well.


and for fucks sake, quit using USian. ITS AMERICAN.

yes I am tired of that shit. You can do that for ANY country. The Saudis will be know as KSAian, the Chinese as PRCian. The Brits as UKian. The Russians RFian. Catch my drift? It's AMERICAN as Parthenon correctly pointed out.

Done threadjacking yet? How's about you post on topic?

[Dakini]

Just because the infrastructure looks ok, doesn't mean it really isn't that bad. Those areas most unsafe in Holland are usually muslim, North Africa, immigrant ghettos where it can be very, very unsafe to go if you are not, for example Moroccan or so.

And yet the overall rate of murders is three times lower than in the US (assuming your statements are correct).