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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:17 am

Desperate Measures wrote:They use the metric system.


Duh. That's why the statistics are different! :palm:
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Postby Free Soviets » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:17 am

Parthenon wrote:and for fucks sake, quit using USian. ITS AMERICAN.

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Postby Parthenon » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:18 am

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Parthenon wrote:Amsterdam is a shithole.

1.2 homicides per 100000 inhabitants compared to America's 5.6 sounds pretty awful. Ditto with the 2.4 drug related deaths per million to America's 38.

Drug death statistics are garbage, people do that to themselves.

Homicide rate is also pretty much negated when you realize that a majority of those are just shitbags killing shitbags. If the rate went up another 10 people or so it would be even better.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:19 am

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Desperate Measures wrote:They use the metric system.


Duh. That's why the statistics are different! :palm:

A range is still a range but a median is a royale with cheese.
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Postby Hamilay » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:19 am

Parthenon wrote:Homicide rate is also pretty much negated when you realize that a majority of those are just shitbags killing shitbags. If the rate went up another 10 people or so it would be even better.


Ahahaha oh wow.

I mean, you're arguing that a high homicide rate is a positive sign of a healthy society. I'm not even sure what I else can say to this.
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:20 am

Parthenon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Parthenon wrote:Amsterdam is a shithole.

1.2 homicides per 100000 inhabitants compared to America's 5.6 sounds pretty awful. Ditto with the 2.4 drug related deaths per million to America's 38.

Drug death statistics are garbage, people do that to themselves.

Homicide rate is also pretty much negated when you realize that a majority of those are just shitbags killing shitbags. If the rate went up another 10 people or so it would be even better.


:eyebrow: A shitbag is still a person you know. And not all people who are killed are shitbags either.
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Postby New Central Europe » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:20 am

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Indeed. Can they sue? I very much hope so.

Presumably if they did they'd have to do so in the US court system, but aside from that I have no idea.

They'd have invade the US in order to get us to repeal the 11th amendment.

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Postby Sdaeriji » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:21 am

Parthenon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Parthenon wrote:Amsterdam is a shithole.

1.2 homicides per 100000 inhabitants compared to America's 5.6 sounds pretty awful. Ditto with the 2.4 drug related deaths per million to America's 38.

Drug death statistics are garbage, people do that to themselves.

Homicide rate is also pretty much negated when you realize that a majority of those are just shitbags killing shitbags. If the rate went up another 10 people or so it would be even better.


So, your theory is that a higher homicide rate is a good thing?
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Re: O'Reilly on Amsterdam: lies and statistical ignorance

Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:21 am

Parthenon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Parthenon wrote:Amsterdam is a shithole.

1.2 homicides per 100000 inhabitants compared to America's 5.6 sounds pretty awful. Ditto with the 2.4 drug related deaths per million to America's 38.

Drug death statistics are garbage, people do that to themselves.

People don't exist in a vacuum. No man is an island and all that jazz.

Homicide rate is also pretty much negated when you realize that a majority of those are just shitbags killing shitbags.

Don't you mean when I assume that based on nothing more than your word that it is so?
If the rate went up another 10 people or so it would be even better.

So you're saying that America is a better place because more people are killed there? The mind boggles.
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Postby Free Soviets » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:22 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Deus Malum wrote:"The way they do statistics is different"

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What the fuck? :o

They use the metric system.

never trust anything done in base ten. if your data isn't being collected in furlongs, you're a commie.

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Postby Gelgisith » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:23 am

HC Eredivisie wrote:
Deus Malum wrote:(much snippering by G.)
"The way they do statistics is different"

And that's why I'm not even going to bother to say anything about this. :p

I'm very torn. On the one hand, it utter taurine excrement, on the other... Nah, gonna follow your example after all.
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Postby Free Soviets » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:23 am

Parthenon wrote:Homicide rate is also pretty much negated when you realize that a majority of those are just shitbags killing shitbags. If the rate went up another 10 people or so it would be even better.

hooray for compassionate conservatism!

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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:24 am

Parthenon wrote:Amsterdam is a shithole.


Well.. I will admit it is a hole at the moment due to the "brilliant" metro construction.
I will also admit there is a lot of dog and pigeon shit.
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Postby Rejistania » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:24 am

Free Soviets wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:They use the metric system.

never trust anything done in base ten. if your data isn't being collected in furlongs, you're a commie.

Oh, base 10 is evil now? Sweet 16, sweet hexadecimal ;)
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Postby Parthenon » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:25 am

Sdaeriji wrote:
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Ifreann wrote:1.2 homicides per 100000 inhabitants compared to America's 5.6 sounds pretty awful. Ditto with the 2.4 drug related deaths per million to America's 38.

Drug death statistics are garbage, people do that to themselves.

Homicide rate is also pretty much negated when you realize that a majority of those are just shitbags killing shitbags. If the rate went up another 10 people or so it would be even better.


So, your theory is that a higher homicide rate is a good thing?

Not theory, fact. There is no disputing that the nation would be a better place if all the shitbags dealing drugs, feeding off our government, raping women, robbing banks and convenience stores, doing driveby shootings, running out on their families, mugging pedestrians, carjacking motorists, shooting at officers, etc..., were to all end up in a ditch simultaneously.
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Re: O'Reilly on Amsterdam: lies and statistical ignorance

Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:25 am

Free Soviets wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:
Deus Malum wrote:"The way they do statistics is different"

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What the fuck? :o

They use the metric system.

never trust anything done in base ten. if your data isn't being collected in furlongs, you're a commie.

The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.
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Postby Rejistania » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:25 am

Gelgisith wrote:
HC Eredivisie wrote:
Deus Malum wrote:(much snippering by G.)
"The way they do statistics is different"

And that's why I'm not even going to bother to say anything about this. :p

I'm very torn. On the one hand, it utter taurine excrement, on the other... Nah, gonna follow your example after all.

:rofl: I am so going to use the expression 'taurine excrement'!
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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:26 am

Parthenon wrote:Amsterdam is a shithole. There is nothign wrong with what he said. Hell, if you watched the ACTUAL report you would realize it covered positives as well.


and for fucks sake, quit using USian. ITS AMERICAN.


yes I am tired of that shit. You can do that for ANY country. The Saudis will be know as KSAian, the Chinese as PRCian. The Brits as UKian. The Russians RFian. Catch my drift? It's AMERICAN as Parthenon correctly pointed out.
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Postby Gelgisith » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:27 am

Free Soviets wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:They use the metric system.

never trust anything done in base ten. if your data isn't being collected in furlongs, you're a commie.

Furlongs, firkins & fortnights, eh?
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:27 am

Hamilay wrote:
Ahahaha oh wow.

I mean, you're arguing that a high homicide rate is a positive sign of a healthy society. I'm not even sure what I else can say to this.


It's really quite clear. Countries like Sudan and Somalia are obviously the best places to live. With all those shitbags being killed, soon, only good honest citizens will remain.

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Postby Dakini » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:28 am

Parthenon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Parthenon wrote:Amsterdam is a shithole.

1.2 homicides per 100000 inhabitants compared to America's 5.6 sounds pretty awful. Ditto with the 2.4 drug related deaths per million to America's 38.

Drug death statistics are garbage, people do that to themselves.

But when your position is that legal drugs make it more likely that people will do drugs and harm themselves and then the place with legal drugs has fewer overdoses %-wise...

Homicide rate is also pretty much negated when you realize that a majority of those are just shitbags killing shitbags. If the rate went up another 10 people or so it would be even better.

But when you claim that a place is overrun with organized crimes and that it is unsafe compared to another place and then the statistics show that the "better" place has more homicides... it make your claims questionable.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:28 am

Parthenon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Parthenon wrote:Amsterdam is a shithole.

1.2 homicides per 100000 inhabitants compared to America's 5.6 sounds pretty awful. Ditto with the 2.4 drug related deaths per million to America's 38.

Drug death statistics are garbage, people do that to themselves.

Homicide rate is also pretty much negated when you realize that a majority of those are just shitbags killing shitbags. If the rate went up another 10 people or so it would be even better.

I'm gonna need a source for the bolded claim please.
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Postby Sdaeriji » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:29 am

Parthenon wrote:Not theory, fact. There is no disputing that the nation would be a better place if all the shitbags dealing drugs, feeding off our government, raping women, robbing banks and convenience stores, doing driveby shootings, running out on their families, mugging pedestrians, carjacking motorists, shooting at officers, etc..., were to all end up in a ditch simultaneously.


I lolled.

Let's extend this argument, shall we? According to you, the higher the homicide rate, the better, right?
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Postby Rejistania » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:29 am

Gelgisith wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:never trust anything done in base ten. if your data isn't being collected in furlongs, you're a commie.

Furlongs, firkins & fortnights, eh?

Furlongs, firkins, fortnights and fahrenheit! *nods*
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Postby Psychotic Mongooses » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:29 am

Sdaeriji wrote:I lolled.

Let's extend this argument, shall we? According to you, the higher the homicide rate, the better, right?


Ooooohhh. I really wanna see where this leads.... *puts fingertips together* :p

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