O'Reilly on Amsterdam: lies and statistical ignorance

[Gravlen]

I didn't see anything false in that vid.

The sources have been repeatedly proven to be wrong on numerous topics. It's amazing that people proven wrong so often are still hailed as "experts" on anything. It's probably because they're experts on how things "ought to be" instead of how things are.

They're experts on SPEAKING WITH A LOUD VOICE and that must mean that whatever they say is correct. I mean, he asserts things LOUDLY! You wouldn't do that if you were an ignorant raving fop who didn't understand the things you were talking about, surely.

[Western Mercenary Unio]

Religion is a mental disorder if one believes that there is a personal god that speaks to people, wants to be worshiped, wants prayers, knows your future, and cares if u eat pork or cares if u have sex before marriage.

Well, I agree that it's a mental disorder, but it's one that's actively taught to children. They can be treated so their disorder doesn't prevent them from living full, productive lives without harming anyone else, but first we have to acknowledge that it's a problem before we can start to treat it.

Religion isn't recognised as a disorder by any psychiatrist anywhere. If it is, then I'll concede that you are right, but until then you're on shaky ground.

[Gravlen]

Most of Europe is becoming a crap hole with a every growing muslim problem.

What "muslim problem"?

[Gravlen]

Most of Europe is becoming a crap hole with a every growing muslim problem.

Don't you have bridge to go live under?

In 50 years time, the Netherlands could be 50% muslim. And look out for Sweden...I feel sorry for their lax laws.

Which "lax laws"?

[Parthenon]

Most of Europe is becoming a crap hole with a every growing muslim problem.

What "muslim problem"?

You know, the whole subway bombings, train bombings, pushes for sharia law, honor killings...

[Bottle]

Most of Europe is becoming a crap hole with a every growing muslim problem.

What "muslim problem"?

You know, the whole subway bombings, train bombings, pushes for sharia law, honor killings...

In my country, we call that the Christian problem.

(To be fair, they bomb doctor's offices and the religious temples of other faiths, as opposed to subways, and they pronounce "sharia" as "Levitical Law," but there you go.)

[Gravlen]

Where their are Muslims, there are problems. Just take a look around the world.

I dunno, the Muslims living in the USA and Canada have been far more well-behaved than (allegedly) Christian white supremacists. Just sayin'.

Last I checked the white supremacists are just marching around in public while the islamofacists are out plotting jihad...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crim ... gogue.html

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1624103.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=ajck7UOaFSLg&refer=us
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/30-death-threats-to-obama-daily-and-number-rising/98540-2.html

Yeah... Just marching...

[Parthenon]

What tenant of Christianity calls for honor killings orsharia law? I am honestly curious to see how you go about pulling this one out of your ass.

[Gravlen]

Most of Europe is becoming a crap hole with a every growing muslim problem.

What "muslim problem"?

You know, the whole subway bombings, train bombings,

You mean the problem with political violence?

pushes for sharia law,

Using the democratic process and free speech is a problem now?

honor killings...

Why would you call that "muslim problem"? Are you pretending it doesn't happen in families that aren't muslims? Are you choosing to ignore cultural influences?

[Gift-of-god]

Most of Europe is becoming a crap hole with a every growing muslim problem.

What "muslim problem"?

You know, the whole subway bombings, train bombings, pushes for sharia law, honor killings...

Terrorism in Europe is not an Islamic problem. Unless you wish to claim that the IRA and ETA are Islamic.

Few, if any, Muslims are trying to enact Sharia law. Much less than the number of Christians who wish to criminalise abortion or homosexuality.

Honour killings are also not solely an Islamic problem.

Perhaps the problem with Islam is that people seem desperate to find a problem with Islam.

[Haken Rider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V82BlmFIyJ4

^ islam

[Gravlen]

What tenant of Christianity calls for honor killings...

Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

[Saint Clair Island]

Perhaps the problem with Islam is that people seem desperate to find a problem with Islam.

But all muslims are terrorists, just look at Afghanistan and Iraq and Iran and Palestine and... uh... Iraq! And the ones who aren't are stealing honest, English jerbs! It's a disgrace!

[Parthenon]

What tenant of Christianity calls for honor killings...

Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

You don't seem to understand what an "honor killing" is.

[Hairless Kitten II]

O'Reilly claims that Amsterdam is a cesspool with organized crime rampant and that it's all due to their attitude of "social tolerance" which includes teaching their children to have safe sex:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRAlejn5gcQ

A resident of Amsterdam fires back with a video of his (or her?) own:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTPsFIsxM3w

And O'Reilly responds to this amateur "propaganda" video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucJwh0CRopQ

..demonstrating that he does not know a thing about statistics.

What I want to know about this is how is it that this man is allowed to lie so blatantly on air without any legal ramifications. I mean, yeah, he has the right to say whatever due to the first amendment, however, this could (in theory) cost the Dutch tourists (assuming anyone who would believe him would consider the Netherlands a holiday destination).

If a news person was going around claiming that Nike kills kittens, this could cost Nike business and I would imagine that this person would be liable for their comments and would at the very least have to apologize and retract their statements. O'Reilly, however, just restates the same claims and then very falsely states that the statistics cannot be compared because the Dutch population is smaller than the American population. Everyone should be aware what a percentage means and it's not as though the population of the Netherlands is small enough that they do not make up a sufficient sample size.

Should news people be held to standards of honest reporting and be liable when they present falsehoods as facts?

Amsterdam is much safer as NY or LA...

[GetBert]

What tenant of Christianity calls for honor killings...

Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

You don't seem to understand what an "honor killing" is.

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire"

...and you don't seem to understand what a tenant is.

[Pakidaotuz]

That Gravlen character sounds like he/she is a transnationalist.

[Buffett and Colbert]

That Gravlen character sounds like he/she is a transnationalist.

The horror!

[Treznor]

Well, I agree that it's a mental disorder, but it's one that's actively taught to children. They can be treated so their disorder doesn't prevent them from living full, productive lives without harming anyone else, but first we have to acknowledge that it's a problem before we can start to treat it.

Religion isn't recognised as a disorder by any psychiatrist anywhere. If it is, then I'll concede that you are right, but until then you're on shaky ground.

Oh, I freely concede that this is my personal opinion and not in any way a professional assessment.

[Gift-of-god]

What tenant of Christianity calls for honor killings...

Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

You don't seem to understand what an "honor killing" is.

An honour killing is when a male relative kills a female relative because the man feels that the woman has brought shame to the family by consorting with other men.

Example:

A jealous husband reportedly cut off his wife’s head after catching her messaging a man she had met online.

Giuseppe Castro, 35, turned on Maria Pia Scuto, 41, after discovering her messaging her lover on the computer.

He is alleged to have stabbed her in the neck with a kitchen knife, then used the blade to saw off her head in front of their 15-year-old son and his mother-in-law.

Another example:

“An Egyptian Christian man angry at his sister’s conversion to Islam and marriage to a Muslim broke into her Cairo apartment and sprayed gunfire on the family of three, killing the husband, security sources said on Tuesday.

They said the woman, Mariam Atef Khilla, and her baby daughter Nora had also been shot and were critically wounded in the overnight attack. Police were searching for the brother and an uncle.

Khilla converted to Islam three years ago to marry her husband against the wishes of her family, the sources said. One source said the woman’s brother had asked the couple to divorce so she could return to Christianity, but they had refused.”

Yet another example:

Faten Habash's father wept as he assured his daughter there would be no more beatings, no more threats to her life and that she was free to marry the man she loved, even if he was a Muslim. All he asked was that Faten return home.

Hassan Habash even gave his word to an emissary from a Bedouin tribe traditionally brought in to mediate in matters of family honour, a commitment regarded as sacrosanct in Palestinian society. But the next weekend, as Faten watched a Boy Scouts parade from the balcony of her Ramallah home, the 22-year-old Christian Palestinian was dragged into the living room and bludgeoned to death with an iron bar. Her father was arrested for the murder.

Please note that in each example, the perpetrators were not Muslims.

[Pakidaotuz]

No sense to convet from Christianity to Islam or Islam to christianity.....It's like saying "My invisible god is better than your invisible god"

[Western Mercenary Unio]

Oh, I freely concede that this is my personal opinion and not in any way a professional assessment.

And, I probably take this too much of a Serious Business. You're entitled to your own opinion.

[Gravlen]

What tenant of Christianity calls for honor killings...

Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

You don't seem to understand what an "honor killing" is.

Curiously, that's what I was thinking about you. That, or that your definition of "honor killing" was so narrow that it's completely useless and devoid of value.

See examples from Gift-of-God, who saved me from a Google-search for examples.

[Gravlen]

That Gravlen character sounds like he/she is a transnationalist.

Are you hitting on me?

[Buffett and Colbert]

No sense to convet from Christianity to Islam or Islam to christianity.....It's like saying "My invisible god is better than your invisible god"

That's nice.