Obama depicted as Chimpazee... Racist or Not?

[The Oavi-Albion Empire]

I can see why it would be taken as a rascist insult. But I am simply pointing out that it is not uncommon for people who do not support Obama to be deemed rascist. People tend to use the fact that he is black to their advantage.

No they don't. Go search NSG posts. NO ONE has defended Obama because he's black.

No one in real life I've talked to have done that either.

You don't understand what I ment do you, sport?

[Double Rainbow Island]

(Serious mode engaged. LOL generator suppressed.)

Someone gets elected.

Idiotic political cartoons and Photoshops ensue.

Obama would get the same treatment if he was a white guy from Idaho, it just would have a different focus.

Like the Photoshop with Bush wearing the Ring of Power from LotR. Or the one with Bush reading a kid's book upside down. With Bush it was "OMG We have a authoritarian retard for president!" With Clinton it was, "We have an amoral sleaze-face from Arkansas as President!" This is nothing new.

Just look it up on Google. Any political figure you want. There will be offensive Photoshops and cartoons.

Does this say volumes about the American political and popular media systems? In a word, yes. Has it ever been any different? No. Will it ever be any different? In all probability no.

TL;DR

Offensive media is and always will be a part of being in office. Move along. Nothing to see here.

[Norstal]

No they don't. Go search NSG posts. NO ONE has defended Obama because he's black.

No one in real life I've talked to have done that either.

You don't understand what I ment do you, sport?

So, explain to me how people came with the birther issue if its not racist.

[The Cat-Tribe]

^ The racism dogs have already violated Godwin's Law by playing the race-card, so I think we can declare this one over.

The only racism is pointing out racism!!!

[The Corparation]

(Serious mode engaged. LOL generator suppressed.)

Someone gets elected.

Idiotic political cartoons and Photoshops ensue.

Obama would get the same treatment if he was a white guy from Idaho, it just would have a different focus.

Like the Photoshop with Bush wearing the Ring of Power from LotR. Or the one with Bush reading a kid's book upside down. With Bush it was "OMG We have a authoritarian retard for president!" With Clinton it was, "We have an amoral sleaze-face from Arkansas as President!" This is nothing new.

Just look it up on Google. Any political figure you want. There will be offensive Photoshops and cartoons.

Does this say volumes about the American political and popular media systems? In a word, yes. Has it ever been any different? No. Will it ever be any different? In all probability no.

TL;DR

Offensive media is and always will be a part of being in office. Move along. Nothing to see here.

This time though it is different. Have you seen the picture in question its not "The president looks like and has the intelligence of a monkey pictures" we had for bush and the similar tidings we've always had its, "The black president is a monkey." Look up Porch Monkey. There are plenty of others but there's been an overall historical trend of comparing blacks to monkeys to dehumanize them. Plenty of other cartoons and shops have been made of him but this is different.

[Double Rainbow Island]

(Serious mode engaged. LOL generator suppressed.)

Someone gets elected.

Idiotic political cartoons and Photoshops ensue.

Obama would get the same treatment if he was a white guy from Idaho, it just would have a different focus.

Like the Photoshop with Bush wearing the Ring of Power from LotR. Or the one with Bush reading a kid's book upside down. With Bush it was "OMG We have a authoritarian retard for president!" With Clinton it was, "We have an amoral sleaze-face from Arkansas as President!" This is nothing new.

Just look it up on Google. Any political figure you want. There will be offensive Photoshops and cartoons.

Does this say volumes about the American political and popular media systems? In a word, yes. Has it ever been any different? No. Will it ever be any different? In all probability no.

TL;DR

Offensive media is and always will be a part of being in office. Move along. Nothing to see here.

This time though it is different. Have you seen the picture in question its not "The president looks like and has the intelligence of a monkey pictures" we had for bush and the similar tidings we've always had its, "The black president is a monkey." Look up Porch Monkey. There are plenty of others but there's been an overall historical trend of comparing blacks to monkeys to dehumanize them. Plenty of other cartoons and shops have been made of him but this is different.

All politicians are dehumanized, even demonized, on a regular basis. This is just adding the race card to the mix.

Is it right? NO. A Thousand Times NO. Does it happen? YES.

Obama doesn't let it bother him, I wouldn't dream of letting it bother me.

*Captin, We have a breech in the LOL reactor!*

[Scientific socks]

In the same vein, since white people won't be offended when we call them niggers, black people should tolerate it too. After all, creating seperate rules for those who are defined as white and those who are defined as black is ridiculous, no?

Well, really it's neither here nor there. Noones stopping anyone from drawing these pictures, just as noone's stopping white people from saying 'nigger'.

But just because they aren't being arrested for saying or drawing it, doesn't mean they shouldn't be told unequivocally how racist they are for doing so.

I am against the selective approval for the nigger word as well. Either it is good for all or bad for all. Whiter people can still easily be offended by that word just like black people can. Someone using the word does not make them a racist. Someone using the word for only one group of people (however they define a group) is racist. It creates seperate rules of acceptance and therefor acts as a dividing factor.

[GOLTZBORG]

I've seen the picture on the internet somewhere. It's pretty racist. I mean you've got to think of the implications before you send trash like that onto the internet.

Ditto

[Soufrika]

Oh, please. The entire federal government is staffed with monkeys. They're always throwing feces at one another and screaming. It's a zoo in there. "OOO-OOO-OOO AAAH-AAAH-AAABORTIONISMURDER!!" and all that.

[The Cat-Tribe]

This time though it is different. Have you seen the picture in question its not "The president looks like and has the intelligence of a monkey pictures" we had for bush and the similar tidings we've always had its, "The black president is a monkey." Look up Porch Monkey. There are plenty of others but there's been an overall historical trend of comparing blacks to monkeys to dehumanize them. Plenty of other cartoons and shops have been made of him but this is different.

All politicians are dehumanized, even demonized, on a regular basis. This is just adding the race card to the mix.

Is it right? NO. A Thousand Times NO. Does it happen? YES.

Obama doesn't let it bother him, I wouldn't dream of letting it bother me.

*Captin, We have a breech in the LOL reactor!*

Your responses, beyond using "Rumsfeldian self-question and answer techniques," are bizarre in that you just admitted the depiction (with, remember, the caption) is racist.

You're merely saying that the depiction is racist, dehumaninzing, ethically wrong, but we should not care that it is racist, dehumanizing, and ethicial wrong. Why? "Because it happens."

Maybe if more people spoke out against such depictions instead of disingenuously defending them or shrugging them off, they would happen less often and political discourse could be more civil.

[Kharuyan]

Maybe if more people spoke out against such depictions instead of disingenuously defending them or shrugging them off, they would happen less often and political discourse could be more civil.

When you're talking about the staunch ideology that believes in giving welfare hand-outs to lazy people paid for by those who work harder than they do, and the direct opposition to that ideology, you'll never get civil political discourse.

Those who work hard and earn their lifestyle have too much to lose when the pan-handlers and the politicians whose votes they bought with essentially a bribe paid for by forcefully robbing those hard workers, come beating a path to their doors.

Also, labeling all those who don't find it racist as disingenuous is pretty cheap.

[Geniasis]

Maybe if more people spoke out against such depictions instead of disingenuously defending them or shrugging them off, they would happen less often and political discourse could be more civil.

When you're talking about the staunch ideology that believes in giving welfare hand-outs to lazy people paid for by those who work harder than they do, and the direct opposition to that ideology, you'll never get civil political discourse.

Those who work hard and earn their lifestyle have too much to lose when the pan-handlers and the politicians whose votes they bought with essentially a bribe paid for by forcefully robbing those hard workers, come beating a path to their doors.

Also, labeling all those who don't find it racist as disingenuous is pretty cheap.

Not everyone who is rich is a hard worker. Not everyone who is poor is lazy.

When you grow up and leave your parent's house, you may come to understand how the world actually works.

[The Cat-Tribe]

Maybe if more people spoke out against such depictions instead of disingenuously defending them or shrugging them off, they would happen less often and political discourse could be more civil.

When you're talking about the staunch ideology that believes in giving welfare hand-outs to lazy people paid for by those who work harder than they do, and the direct opposition to that ideology, you'll never get civil political discourse.

Those who work hard and earn their lifestyle have too much to lose when the pan-handlers and the politicians whose votes they bought with essentially a bribe paid for by forcefully robbing those hard workers, come beating a path to their doors.

Also, labeling all those who don't find it racist as disingenuous is pretty cheap.

What is clearly disingenuous is clipping a post that replied with another post that admitted the depicition was racist, but argued we should ignore that fact.

But I will say that denying that a depiction of President Obama and his parents as chimpanzees with the caption "Now you know why no birth certificate" is racist is disingenuous -- especially when the author of the depiction has apologized and essentially admitted it was racist, the county GOP of which she is an official has vehemently denounced it as racist and censured her, state GOP officials have denounced it as racist, and even right-wing Fox News commentators (among other right-wing voices) have denounced it as racist.

Your babbling about an "ideology" and class warfare between the "lazy" and "hard workers" is all very vague, ominous, and mysterious, but you don't even come close to making sense or connecting what the fuck you are talking about to the subject at hand. I'm hope this is not what you meant to imply, but, to one not wanting to give you the benefit of the doubt, it could sound like you are equating certain racial groups with "lazy" welfare recipients being "bribe[d]" by politicians. However, I won't get into a side debate with you about what you consider "welfare;" why children, the disabled, and the elderly are "lazy;" or other misconceptions that underlie your apparent vehement wrongheadness on yet another set of issues.

[Kharuyan]

Not everyone who is rich is a hard worker. Not everyone who is poor is lazy.

When you grow up and leave your parent's house, you may come to understand how the world actually works.

So what's your excuse for fleecing the other 99.99% of the "rich" (the ones who are hard working) to give hand-outs to the other 99.99% of poor who are lazy? Or do you live in some sort of feudal fantasy world where the "rich" are all hereditary lords who live in castles, play polo and kick peasants?

You are woefully unqualified to even begin to think you can explain "how the world actually works" to someone who has been around the world twice, works 84 hrs/wk, worked in no less than 6 different locations around the world, has done his service time and (unlike those whose parents put them through college) actually earned his education. I know I know, earning something through hard work is a foreign concept to Geniasis; he thinks that casting a vote for the party whose platform can be essentially summed up as, "Vote for us and we'll give you stuff!" is all it takes to earn something.

I'm hope this is not what you meant to imply, but, to one not wanting to give you the benefit of the doubt, it could sound like you are equating certain racial groups with "lazy" welfare recipients being "bribe[d]" by politicians.

More race-baiting and proof that TCT cannot make an agrument without playing the race-card.

[Gauthier]

After the release of the Long Form and wasting Bin Laden, someone should make an Obama poster with the caption "WHO'S THE MONKEY NOW BITCHES!?"

[Stefannica]

That is what makes politics precisely dirty. Though it can't be avoided, still a sad thing to do

[Bottle]

After the release of the Long Form and wasting Bin Laden, someone should make an Obama poster with the caption "WHO'S THE MONKEY NOW BITCHES!?"

Obama's birth certificate was Osama's last horcrux.

[Kleomentia]

It's Political, there's no difference.Maybe there's a little bit difference.

[Geniasis]

So what's your excuse for fleecing the other 99.99% of the "rich" (the ones who are hard working) to give hand-outs to the other 99.99% of poor who are lazy? Or do you live in some sort of feudal fantasy world where the "rich" are all hereditary lords who live in castles, play polo and kick peasants?

Come back with real statistics.

:rofl: You are woefully unqualified to even begin to think you can explain "how the world actually works" to someone who has been around the world twice, works 84 hrs/wk, worked in no less than 6 different locations around the world, has done his service time and (unlike those whose parents put them through college) actually earned his education.

I'm sure you have. I'm also sure you have a four foot schlong and have slept with every supermodel and actress that has ever existed, and that your nocturnal emissions possess mystical cancer-curing abilities.

I know I know, earning something through hard work is a foreign concept to Geniasis;

I wasn't aware that I thought that. I'm not sure I agree, but who am I to argue with with the Magical Globetrotter?

[The Black Forrest]

So what's your excuse for fleecing the other 99.99% of the "rich" (the ones who are hard working) to give hand-outs to the other 99.99% of poor who are lazy?

So you simply trolling or you really believe that?

I went to school with some rather wealthy people(well their parents were and many if not most were set up for life).

The comment is valid. Some of them are nothing more then meat sacks. Have yet to do anything worthwhile. A couple played too much and wasted what they had. A couple like a good friend took what he had and made even more. A good guy overall. If I asked for money, he would give it.

Or do you live in some sort of feudal fantasy world where the "rich" are all hereditary lords who live in castles, play polo and kick peasants?

Or maybe they have a sense of entitlement and or superiority because they have money and in more then a few cases they didn't even make the money.

:rofl: You are woefully unqualified to even begin to think you can explain "how the world actually works" to someone who has been around the world twice, works 84 hrs/wk, worked in no less than 6 different locations around the world, has done his service time and (unlike those whose parents put them through college) actually earned his education.

All things posted on the Net are true of course. Did I mention I am a Nobel Laurette?

know I know, earning something through hard work is a foreign concept to Geniasis; he thinks that casting a vote for the party whose platform can be essentially summed up as, "Vote for us and we'll give you stuff!" is all it takes to earn something.

You have a little spittle there.

I'm hope this is not what you meant to imply, but, to one not wanting to give you the benefit of the doubt, it could sound like you are equating certain racial groups with "lazy" welfare recipients being "bribe[d]" by politicians.

More race-baiting and proof that TCT cannot make an agrument without playing the race-card.

Ahhh the old "race card" defense.

Really for a man of the world that is all you can come up with?

[The Cat-Tribe]

Not everyone who is rich is a hard worker. Not everyone who is poor is lazy.

When you grow up and leave your parent's house, you may come to understand how the world actually works.

So what's your excuse for fleecing the other 99.99% of the "rich" (the ones who are hard working) to give hand-outs to the other 99.99% of poor who are lazy? Or do you live in some sort of feudal fantasy world where the "rich" are all hereditary lords who live in castles, play polo and kick peasants?

You are woefully unqualified to even begin to think you can explain "how the world actually works" to someone who has been around the world twice, works 84 hrs/wk, worked in no less than 6 different locations around the world, has done his service time and (unlike those whose parents put them through college) actually earned his education. I know I know, earning something through hard work is a foreign concept to Geniasis; he thinks that casting a vote for the party whose platform can be essentially summed up as, "Vote for us and we'll give you stuff!" is all it takes to earn something.

I'm hope this is not what you meant to imply, but, to one not wanting to give you the benefit of the doubt, it could sound like you are equating certain racial groups with "lazy" welfare recipients being "bribe[d]" by politicians.

More race-baiting and proof that TCT cannot make an agrument without playing the race-card.

Yes, I am clearly the poorer debater. Even though the last time you accused me of playing the "race card" you were unable to show where in any of my posts I had done any such thing, at least you have me pointing out a hint of possible racism here (although I was giving you the benefit of the doubt).

Whereas your post relies on:

• made-up absurd statistics
  
• personal attacks on other posters
  
• ignoring the bulk of my post in order to attack one line
  
• un-verifiable bragging about supposed "credentials" that don't actually have any relevance whatsoever to what is being discussed and could easily be trumped by others on these forums

I am so ashamed.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Obama's birth certificate was Osama's last horcrux.

Holy. Shit. I love you.

[Kharuyan]

The comment is valid. Some of them are nothing more then meat sacks. Have yet to do anything worthwhile. A couple played too much and wasted what they had. A couple like a good friend took what he had and made even more. A good guy overall. If I asked for money, he would give it.

If they're still in school then even Captain Obvious could talk about how they have yet to do anything worthwhile. As for the ones who played and wasted it all, that would be the nature of life dealing justice to them. If you can't handle money, money will not stay with you. The ones who took what they had and made even more clearly earned their keep.

Or maybe they have a sense of entitlement and or superiority because they have money and in more then a few cases they didn't even make the money.

So long as they follow the law, I have no problem with their sense of entitlement; in fact, if they'll let me know what they're entitled to (within the boundaries of law), I'll provide that service and since they're rich, charge an inflated price for it, making myself rich in the process. The current method of providing quality housing to low and moderate income families on a small scale isn't fast enough right now, but it is a start.

:D All things posted on the Net are true of course. Did I mention I am a Nobel Laurette?

You do realize that none of what I posted is hard to achieve, right? Every single bit of it can be done by just about anyone. Doing your service time is as easy as walking into a recruiter's office and signing your life away for a few years; not that hard. That one will also provide you plenty of opportunity to work in multiple locations around the world, and give you opportunity to earn your education.

Really for a man of the world that is all you can come up with?

You need to ask that of those who play the race-card.

[Kharuyan]

Oh, and for those who believe in some sort of "born into wealth" hereditary nonsense:

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/st ... naire.html

And that's from the NY Times, not exactly known for its soft--or even fair--treatment of "wealthy" people in its pages. Over 80% of millionaires in the US are self-made, meaning they earned their way to affluence.

[Whitesonly]

only if you recognize that blacks resemble chimps.