God.

by **Unified America-Canada** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:13 am

How can you claim something that you hardly know enough about.

by **Brand Nye Norge** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:14 am

No, not in the least bit.

by **The Murtunian Tribes** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:16 am

Unified America-Canada wrote:How can you claim something that you hardly know enough about.

The same way you were yesterday? Just my first guess.

by **Unified America-Canada** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:17 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Unified America-Canada wrote:How can you claim something that you hardly know enough about.

The same way you were yesterday? Just my first guess.

I am just saying to guess accurately guess Gods Nature you have to read the bible not history.

by **Arayania** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:18 am

People who believe in god or seek religion are just weak.That's why Aryans are superior to others they do not seek religion that's how we tricked you idiots into killing the inferiors for us if we had won ww2 we would have exterminated you all anyway.Religion is for idiots and weaklings

by **Bottle** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:18 am

Jasonovia wrote:Goodness has a set meaning and God is goodness itself. So it is not a tautology because this now precludes God's nature from containing things that defy goodness (some things aren't good). Since God doesn't have a say as to what goodness entails, it's not subjective.

Nobody believes that, not even theists. Here's my simple proof:

Let's pretend (because why not) that God decides to speak to you directly. You have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that it is God speaking to you; it IS God. God says unto you, Jasonovia, I want you to go forth and find the cutest and nicest puppy you can find. Then I want you to torture that puppy as brutally as you possibly can. Cause it as much pain as you possibly can, and make it last as long as you possibly can.

Do you do it? How do you find yourself feeling about torturing that puppy?

Now, same situation and same questions, but replace "puppy" with "human baby."

Do you find yourself thinking, "God would never do that!!!"? Probably you do, because you have a sense of good and evil that is independent of God. You don't WANT to brutalize a little puppy. You don't WANT to torture an infant. You know those actions are wrong. Because you, like most people, have empathy and the ability to feel lousy about doing horrible things, whether or not God says it's okay to do those things.

This is why, for example, I've never met a Bible-believing Christian who went around raping little girls and selling them into slavery, even though God specifically condones that activity in the Bible. Bible-believing Christians look at what is written in the Bible and match it up against the moral code that they already hold, and they use THAT to decide what is really God's Will and what was just human error.

You don't believe that God = good and good = God, you just have been taught to think that you believe that. Which is good, because if you really believed what you claim to believe then you'd be a horrible, dangerous person who nobody should ever be in a room with alone.

by **The Murtunian Tribes** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:19 am

Unified America-Canada wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:The same way you were yesterday? Just my first guess.

I am just saying to guess accurately guess Gods Nature you have to read the bible not history.

Right. Made up nonsense>historical facts. Oh no makes perfect sense, how could I not have seen this before?

by **Jasonovia** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:19 am

Unhealthy2 wrote:
Jasonovia wrote:Goodness has a set meaning and God is goodness itself. So it is not a tautology because this now precludes God's nature from containing things that defy goodness (some things aren't good). Since God doesn't have a say as to what goodness entails, it's not subjective.

Then this definition makes the claim of god's goodness falsifiable. I claim, therefore, that the biblical god is NOT good. I further claim that, if there is a god in this universe, he is either not good, or he is not all-powerful.

Except if you're using my definition, you then chuck morality out with God

by **Unified America-Canada** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:20 am

Arayania wrote:People who believe in god or seek religion are just weak.That's why Aryans are superior to others they do not seek religion that's how we tricked you idiots into killing the inferiors for us if we had won ww2 we would have exterminated you all anyway.Religion is for idiots and weaklings

Troll

by **Unhealthy2** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:20 am

Jasonovia wrote:Except if you're using my definition, you then chuck morality out with God

Nonsense. Either morality has an independent definition, in which case, god does not meet its criteria, or the definition of goodness is somehow tied, by definition, to god or god's nature, in which case your argument IS CIRCULAR.

by **Bottle** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:21 am

Unified America-Canada wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:The same way you were yesterday? Just my first guess.

I am just saying to guess accurately guess Gods Nature you have to read the bible not history.

Do you really want to run with that?

I mean, the God of the Bible is a genocidal lunatic who burns people alive, tortures children, and befriends pedophiles and rapists. The Bible makes God sound like a pretty fucked up and unpleasant character.

by **The Murtunian Tribes** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:21 am

Jasonovia wrote:
Unhealthy2 wrote:
Then this definition makes the claim of god's goodness falsifiable. I claim, therefore, that the biblical god is NOT good. I further claim that, if there is a god in this universe, he is either not good, or he is not all-powerful.

Except if you're using my definition, you then chuck morality out with God

Except if you even have a concept of "my definition", then you don't have a set definiton of good. By definition.

by **Big Jim P** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:21 am

Jasonovia wrote:
Unhealthy2 wrote:
Then this definition makes the claim of god's goodness falsifiable. I claim, therefore, that the biblical god is NOT good. I further claim that, if there is a god in this universe, he is either not good, or he is not all-powerful.

Except if you're using my definition, you then chuck morality out with God

"God", like morality, is relative.

by **Unified America-Canada** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:22 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Unified America-Canada wrote:
I am just saying to guess accurately guess Gods Nature you have to read the bible not history.

Right. Made up nonsense>historical facts. Oh no makes perfect sense, how could I not have seen this before?

Ughhh listen to what I am saying.
History is not a picture of Gods Nature because History is full of Human Interaction. I do not find this discussion funny I do not understand if your trying to make me mad or get into my head it's not working.

by **The Murtunian Tribes** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:22 am

Unified America-Canada wrote:
Arayania wrote:People who believe in god or seek religion are just weak.That's why Aryans are superior to others they do not seek religion that's how we tricked you idiots into killing the inferiors for us if we had won ww2 we would have exterminated you all anyway.Religion is for idiots and weaklings

Troll

Actually I agree. Also, so what?

by **The Murtunian Tribes** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:24 am

Unified America-Canada wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:

Right. Made up nonsense>historical facts. Oh no makes perfect sense, how could I not have seen this before?

Ughhh listen to what I am saying.
History is not a picture of Gods Nature because History is full of Human Interaction. I do not find this discussion funny I do not understand if your trying to make me mad or get into my head it's not working.

If I was trying to get in your head, you wouldn't know if it was working or not.

Anyway the Bible is also full of human interaction. I fail to understand what exactly seperates the Bible from any one of the countless other texts from ancient times.

And if you say because its the word of God, then expect me to laugh at you again.

by **Unified America-Canada** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:24 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Unified America-Canada wrote:
Troll

Actually I agree. Also, so what?

It compromises the mood of the discussion

by **The Murtunian Tribes** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:25 am

Unified America-Canada wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Actually I agree. Also, so what?

It compromises the mood of the discussion

I guess. Let's not concern ourselves with the stupid.

by **Unhealthy2** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:25 am

Unified America-Canada wrote:I am just saying to guess accurately guess Gods Nature you have to read the bible not history.

Unless the bible gives the wrong picture of god and that some other text is better.

by **Bottle** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:26 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Unified America-Canada wrote:Ughhh listen to what I am saying.
History is not a picture of Gods Nature because History is full of Human Interaction. I do not find this discussion funny I do not understand if your trying to make me mad or get into my head it's not working.

If I was trying to get in your head, you wouldn't know if it was working or not. Anyway the Bible is also full of human interaction. I fail to understand what exactly seperates the Bible from any one of the countless other texts from ancient times.

And if you say because its the word of God, then expect me to laugh at you again.

Just imagine: if he'd been born in a different country or even just to a different set of parents, he'd be telling us about how the Quran is clearly the Word of God. Or how the Sutras are the voice of the divine. Or how John Smith was the true Prophet and brought truth straight from God's own angels.

by **Juristonia** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:27 am

Arayania wrote:People who believe in god or seek religion are just weak.That's why Aryans are superior to others they do not seek religion that's how we tricked you idiots into killing the inferiors for us if we had won ww2 we would have exterminated you all anyway.Religion is for idiots and weaklings

1/10
Too obvious.

by **Jasonovia** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:29 am

Unhealthy2 wrote:
Jasonovia wrote:Except if you're using my definition, you then chuck morality out with God

Nonsense. Either morality has an independent definition, in which case, god does not meet its criteria, or the definition of goodness is somehow tied, by definition, to god or god's nature, in which case your argument IS CIRCULAR.

Unless God is this set morality, rather than the arbitrator of it.

by **The Murtunian Tribes** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:29 am

Juristonia wrote:
Arayania wrote:People who believe in god or seek religion are just weak.That's why Aryans are superior to others they do not seek religion that's how we tricked you idiots into killing the inferiors for us if we had won ww2 we would have exterminated you all anyway.Religion is for idiots and weaklings

1/10
Too obvious.

by **Bottle** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:29 am

Jasonovia wrote:
Unhealthy2 wrote:
Nonsense. Either morality has an independent definition, in which case, god does not meet its criteria, or the definition of goodness is somehow tied, by definition, to god or god's nature, in which case your argument IS CIRCULAR.

Unless God is this set morality, rather than the arbitrator of it.

Er, actually, that would make it even more circular. Or at least more directly circular.

by **The Murtunian Tribes** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:30 am

Jasonovia wrote:
Unhealthy2 wrote:
Nonsense. Either morality has an independent definition, in which case, god does not meet its criteria, or the definition of goodness is somehow tied, by definition, to god or god's nature, in which case your argument IS CIRCULAR.

Unless God is this set morality, rather than the arbitrator of it.

Unless he's not. Simply saying he might be something doesn't mean he is.

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