God.

[Seperates]

Except I don't believe there isn't a god. I don't know whether there is or not and thus lack belief in him or her.

No, atheists do not believe in the devil.

I said some

None. And if they do, then they are not atheist, despite what they say. No atheists believe in Satan, period, end of story.

[Secret Love]

Also, I've probably contradicted myself at least once through this forum. to be honest, my beliefs are on shaky ground (I'm only 18, gimme a break) and every time I think too hard about them, they change.

That's fine, but age isn't an excuse. I'm 17.
If your beliefs are shaky, congratulations! You are now agnostic!

I don't agree....but I don't want to fight so I'm not going to post anymore on the subject

[Seperates]

Prove it.
Also, how can you claim your god is true? I always thought Loki was rather reputable...

Prove what? That everyone has their own gods or that I believe in my God?

That your God is the "one true God"

[Secret Love]

I said some

None. And if they do, then they are not atheist, despite what they say. No atheists believe in Satan, period, end of story.

Well excuse me. I wouldn't know I guess because I'm not atheist

[Mosasauria]

Also, I've probably contradicted myself at least once through this forum. to be honest, my beliefs are on shaky ground (I'm only 18, gimme a break) and every time I think too hard about them, they change.

Good. Keep thinking about them. You should always challenge your beliefs.

Aye.
Right now, I'm questioning my Deism...

[The Ideal Society]

Also, I've probably contradicted myself at least once through this forum. to be honest, my beliefs are on shaky ground (I'm only 18, gimme a break) and every time I think too hard about them, they change.

Age matters not. I am only 16... but everyday my athieism grows stronger and stronger. It does not contradict itself, it does not contradict nature, it tells me to look for the answers myself, not to merely follow the paths of others.

I like how you make such broad assumptions about me because I admitted to being young an foolish. I've barely lived my life. there's still a lot about me that I've yet to figure out- my faith being one of them. If you read what I said, "every time I think too hard about them, they (my beliefs) change." Never did I say I changed because I was "following the paths of other", just that sometimes when I'm in deep thought, my philosophy changes. that's a part of growing up: finding who you are.

[Dyakovo]

Right. And that doesn't change the fact that either you are atheist or you are theist. If you believe you cannot know whether God exists or not and you lack belief in god (which is what it sounds like you're saying) then you are agnostic atheist. If you believe you cannot know whether God exists or not but you believe in God to at least some extent, then you are agnostic theist.

Atheist/theist is a different continuum from agnostic. Everyone either believes in God/god/gods or they don't, because it's a simple dichotomy.

Atheism/theism is like how either you have stamp collecting as a hobby, or you don't. Agnosticism is comparable to, say, whether you think stamp collecting is cool or not. You might think it's cool but you still don't do it (for whatever reason), or you might think it's profoundly uncool yet you do it anyway, you see? Different continuum.

It was my understanding that agnosticism and atheism were two separate things. My bad.

They are. Atheism is a statement about belief while agnosticism is a statement about knowledge. It is possible to be an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist. Just like it is possible to be a gnostic theist or gnostic atheist (though I find both positions ridiculous).

[Mosasauria]

That's fine, but age isn't an excuse. I'm 17.
If your beliefs are shaky, congratulations! You are now agnostic!

I don't agree....but I don't want to fight so I'm not going to post anymore on the subject

Why would you not agree? You are no longer 100% sure in your beliefs. By definition, that is agnosticism.

[Keronians]

That "form" is what I've been meaning by atheism.

As I said.

The problem is, I have a lack of belief in either side, so I'm in the middle of the two sides. That middle region is agnosticism.

There is no middle region. You either have belief in a deity or deities or you don't.

OR, you don't know. Agnoticism.

You don't exactly believe, but you don't deny the existence either. You are an agnostic.

[Seperates]

None. And if they do, then they are not atheist, despite what they say. No atheists believe in Satan, period, end of story.

Well excuse me. I wouldn't know I guess because I'm not atheist

Then don't make strawmen. Do not say that you know something when you don't. Do not say that a group believes something when they don't. It's common sense.

[Dyakovo]

Right. And that doesn't change the fact that either you are atheist or you are theist. If you believe you cannot know whether God exists or not and you lack belief in god (which is what it sounds like you're saying) then you are agnostic atheist. If you believe you cannot know whether God exists or not but you believe in God to at least some extent, then you are agnostic theist.

Atheist/theist is a different continuum from agnostic. Everyone either believes in God/god/gods or they don't, because it's a simple dichotomy.

Atheism/theism is like how either you have stamp collecting as a hobby, or you don't. Agnosticism is comparable to, say, whether you think stamp collecting is cool or not. You might think it's cool but you still don't do it (for whatever reason), or you might think it's profoundly uncool yet you do it anyway, you see? Different continuum.

There is a God.

Prove it.

Well...everyone has their own god,

I don't.

but I believe in the one true God

Prove it.

[Mosasauria]

None. And if they do, then they are not atheist, despite what they say. No atheists believe in Satan, period, end of story.

Well excuse me. I wouldn't know I guess because I'm not atheist

Or, you could just go on Wikipedia and look up atheism and satanism.

[The Ideal Society]

Also, I've probably contradicted myself at least once through this forum. to be honest, my beliefs are on shaky ground (I'm only 18, gimme a break) and every time I think too hard about them, they change.

That's fine, but age isn't an excuse. I'm 17.
If your beliefs are shaky, congratulations! You are now agnostic!

I was not using it as an excuse. Just that I still haven't quite figured everything out. Have you read the conversation at all? I've already admitted to being agnostic/atheist/whatever several times. Thanks.

[Mosasauria]

As I said.

There is no middle region. You either have belief in a deity or deities or you don't.

OR, you don't know. Agnoticism.

You don't exactly believe, but you don't deny the existence either. You are an agnostic.

Or you believe, but accept that you could be wrong. Theistic agnosticism.

[Unhealthy2]

(though I find both positions ridiculous).

Kinda depends on how strict you're being with the word "knowledge." I mean, thanks to Gettier, we know that the standard definition of "knowledge" has some potential problems.

[Dyakovo]

As I said.

There is no middle region. You either have belief in a deity or deities or you don't.

OR, you don't know. Agnoticism.

You don't exactly believe, but you don't deny the existence either. You are an agnostic.

Atheism is not denying the existence of a god or gods, it is lacking belief.

[The Ideal Society]

As I said.

There is no middle region. You either have belief in a deity or deities or you don't.

OR, you don't know. Agnoticism.

You don't exactly believe, but you don't deny the existence either. You are an agnostic.

That's what I've been saying the entire time. Read the conversation

[Keronians]

There is a God.

Prove it.

Well...everyone has their own god,

I don't.

but I believe in the one true God

Prove it.

How the hell's he supposed to prove to you that he believes in the Christian God?

[Secret Love]

Prove what? That everyone has their own gods or that I believe in my God?

That your God is the "one true God"

We sin-steal, have sex outside of marriage, lie, cheat, the list goes on.
We need someone to save us. Because of our sin, we are flithy and we deserve nothing but death and punishment.
I believe that there is only one true God, that He sent His one and only son to this Earth known as Jesus. Jesus, being 100% God and 100% human was without blemish or sin. He died for us to save us for our sin. He rose 3 days later (hence the holiday's CHRISTmas and Easter).
The Fater(God), Son(Jesus), and Holy Spirit are all 3 in 1. It's what I believe so will you please stop being mean to me?

[Secret Love]

OR, you don't know. Agnoticism.

You don't exactly believe, but you don't deny the existence either. You are an agnostic.

Atheism is not denying the existence of a god or gods, it is lacking belief.

are you atheist?

[Dyakovo]

Well excuse me. I wouldn't know I guess because I'm not atheist

Or, you could just go on Wikipedia and look up atheism and satanism.

There's also the matter of most "Satanists" (if I'm remembering the numbers correctly) don't actually believe in Satan either...
Linky (not to the numbers)

[Seperates]

Age matters not. I am only 16... but everyday my athieism grows stronger and stronger. It does not contradict itself, it does not contradict nature, it tells me to look for the answers myself, not to merely follow the paths of others.

I like how you make such broad assumptions about me because I admitted to being young an foolish. I've barely lived my life. there's still a lot about me that I've yet to figure out- my faith being one of them. If you read what I said, "every time I think too hard about them, they (my beliefs) change." Never did I say I changed because I was "following the paths of other", just that sometimes when I'm in deep thought, my philosophy changes. that's a part of growing up: finding who you are.

What assumptions did I make? That your beliefs are on shaky ground? You said that yourself. I have also examined my beliefs throughly, and I too have changed my philosophy. However, ever since becoming an atheist... my beliefs have not faltered. Perhaps my philosophy will change as I learn more about the world around me... however my conviction that there is not such being as God will remain strong.

[Secret Love]

That your God is the "one true God"

We sin-steal, have sex outside of marriage, lie, cheat, the list goes on.
We need someone to save us. Because of our sin, we are flithy and we deserve nothing but death and punishment.
I believe that there is only one true God, that He sent His one and only son to this Earth known as Jesus. Jesus, being 100% God and 100% human was without blemish or sin. He died for us to save us for our sin. He rose 3 days later (hence the holiday's CHRISTmas and Easter).
The Fater(God), Son(Jesus), and Holy Spirit are all 3 in 1. It's what I believe so will you please stop being mean to me?

there is more of course but you guys probably don't want to hear it or don't care

[The Ideal Society]

Prove it.

I don't.

Prove it.

How the hell's he supposed to prove to you that he believes in the Christian God?

Statement of belief is proof of belief. I think what he meant was prove that there is one true god.

[Dyakovo]

Atheism is not denying the existence of a god or gods, it is lacking belief.

are you atheist?

Yes, I am an implicit (or agnostic - either term works) atheist.