God.

[The Ideal Society]

Dude, um, read your own source.

Why would he want to do that? Other than, you know, not making himself look like ridiculous...

Why are you guys assuming that I'm a male?
and I apologize for not completely understanding every detail of agnosticism and atheism. In my eyes, faith is a continuum. Crazy bible thumpers to one side, and atheists on the other. It was my understanding that the ones that aren't on either side (in the middle) are agnostics, and that's where I place myself. I've tried repeatedly to explain my beliefs just to have you challenge them over and over and make me repeat everything I've said. Sorry I snapped.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

I belive in Jesus. I have had experienced a few miracles, one of the Virgin Mary smiling at me, I can not remember the other ones at this stage. I also use this logic:
I use this logic:No Jesus no Christians. There would just be Jews!

[Secret Love]

As do I. Which is why I lack belief in any deity. No proof of their existence has been laid out in front of me.

You know, you claim you are sympathetic to the "atheist position" but all you're doing is showing that you don't know what atheism is. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a deity or deities, not necessarily actively believing they do not exist (although that is one form of atheism).

Your definition of atheism is basically the same as my definition of agnosticism. So you can stop nit-picking at my beliefs now. Thanks.

You know what is funny about being atheism is believeing there isn't a God
Some atheist believe in the devil-what I find interesting about that is that if you believe in the devil, you believe there is a God and vice versa

[Dyakovo]

God. Do you believe in him? Or is he not real? Please share your opinions/beliefs.

(the Christian God is the one I am talking about)

I do believe in God....that is why in one of the forums about relgion I become a little upset with what people have to say. I am very defensive of my faith. If you would like to know more on why I believe in Him, about Him, or anything about my religion, please ask

Maybe if you were more secure in your belief you wouldn't be so defensive?

[Mosasauria]

I belive in Jesus. I have had experienced a few miracles, one of the Virgin Mary smiling at me, I can not remember the other ones at this stage. I also use this logic:
I use this logic:No Jesus no Christians. There would just be Jews!

Or there could have been several preachers who started a new faith that the Romans took and edited and modified it into Christianity.

[Bottle]

Dude, um, read your own source.

What of it? all I've been saying this entire time is there is no proof either way so I'm just unsure of what to believe. Pretty much exactly what that says agnosticism is.

Right. And that doesn't change the fact that either you are atheist or you are theist. If you believe you cannot know whether God exists or not and you lack belief in god (which is what it sounds like you're saying) then you are agnostic atheist. If you believe you cannot know whether God exists or not but you believe in God to at least some extent, then you are agnostic theist.

Atheist/theist is a different continuum from agnostic. Everyone either believes in God/god/gods or they don't, because it's a simple dichotomy.

Atheism/theism is like how either you have stamp collecting as a hobby, or you don't. Agnosticism is comparable to, say, whether you think stamp collecting is cool or not. You might think it's cool but you still don't do it (for whatever reason), or you might think it's profoundly uncool yet you do it anyway, you see? Different continuum.

[The Ideal Society]

Also, I've probably contradicted myself at least once through this forum. to be honest, my beliefs are on shaky ground (I'm only 18, gimme a break) and every time I think too hard about them, they change.

[Secret Love]

I do believe in God....that is why in one of the forums about relgion I become a little upset with what people have to say. I am very defensive of my faith. If you would like to know more on why I believe in Him, about Him, or anything about my religion, please ask

Maybe if you were more secure in your belief you wouldn't be so defensive?

What do you mean by "more secure in my belief"? I was born and raised lutheran, I went to Lutheran schools all my life, and I go to a Lutheran church

[Unhealthy2]

You know what is funny about being atheism is believeing there isn't a God
Some atheist believe in the devil-what I find interesting about that is that if you believe in the devil, you believe there is a God and vice versa

Other than a few goth kids that sit outside of their school on the curb, smoking cigarettes, what atheists do you know of that believe in a literal Satan? What serious intellectual atheist claims that a physical Satan exists?

[Mosasauria]

As do I. Which is why I lack belief in any deity. No proof of their existence has been laid out in front of me.

You know, you claim you are sympathetic to the "atheist position" but all you're doing is showing that you don't know what atheism is. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a deity or deities, not necessarily actively believing they do not exist (although that is one form of atheism).

Your definition of atheism is basically the same as my definition of agnosticism. So you can stop nit-picking at my beliefs now. Thanks.

Most atheists are agnostic about atheism. In truth, nobody can be 100% sure there is or isn't a god(Or any sort of higher or spiritual being/essence). IIRC, if definitive proof for a god was found, then atheists would immediately begin believing in that god.

[The Ideal Society]

What of it? all I've been saying this entire time is there is no proof either way so I'm just unsure of what to believe. Pretty much exactly what that says agnosticism is.

Right. And that doesn't change the fact that either you are atheist or you are theist. If you believe you cannot know whether God exists or not and you lack belief in god (which is what it sounds like you're saying) then you are agnostic atheist. If you believe you cannot know whether God exists or not but you believe in God to at least some extent, then you are agnostic theist.

Atheist/theist is a different continuum from agnostic. Everyone either believes in God/god/gods or they don't, because it's a simple dichotomy.

Atheism/theism is like how either you have stamp collecting as a hobby, or you don't. Agnosticism is comparable to, say, whether you think stamp collecting is cool or not. You might think it's cool but you still don't do it (for whatever reason), or you might think it's profoundly uncool yet you do it anyway, you see? Different continuum.

It was my understanding that agnosticism and atheism were two separate things. My bad.

[Secret Love]

What of it? all I've been saying this entire time is there is no proof either way so I'm just unsure of what to believe. Pretty much exactly what that says agnosticism is.

Right. And that doesn't change the fact that either you are atheist or you are theist. If you believe you cannot know whether God exists or not and you lack belief in god (which is what it sounds like you're saying) then you are agnostic atheist. If you believe you cannot know whether God exists or not but you believe in God to at least some extent, then you are agnostic theist.

Atheist/theist is a different continuum from agnostic. Everyone either believes in God/god/gods or they don't, because it's a simple dichotomy.

Atheism/theism is like how either you have stamp collecting as a hobby, or you don't. Agnosticism is comparable to, say, whether you think stamp collecting is cool or not. You might think it's cool but you still don't do it (for whatever reason), or you might think it's profoundly uncool yet you do it anyway, you see? Different continuum.

There is a God. Well...everyone has their own god, but I believe in the one true God

[Dyakovo]

Why would he want to do that? Other than, you know, not making himself look like ridiculous...

Why are you guys assuming that I'm a male?

Because we've seen nothing to contradict it? If you are female, and my use of he and him actually bothers you, I apologize.

and I apologize for not completely understanding every detail of agnosticism and atheism. In my eyes, faith is a continuum. Crazy bible thumpers to one side, and atheists on the other. It was my understanding that the ones that aren't on either side (in the middle) are agnostics, and that's where I place myself. I've tried repeatedly to explain my beliefs just to have you challenge them over and over and make me repeat everything I've said. Sorry I snapped.

I wasn't challenging your beliefs. I was challenging your knowledge.

[Mosasauria]

Also, I've probably contradicted myself at least once through this forum. to be honest, my beliefs are on shaky ground (I'm only 18, gimme a break) and every time I think too hard about them, they change.

That's fine, but age isn't an excuse. I'm 17.
If your beliefs are shaky, congratulations! You are now agnostic!

[Mosasauria]

Right. And that doesn't change the fact that either you are atheist or you are theist. If you believe you cannot know whether God exists or not and you lack belief in god (which is what it sounds like you're saying) then you are agnostic atheist. If you believe you cannot know whether God exists or not but you believe in God to at least some extent, then you are agnostic theist.

Atheist/theist is a different continuum from agnostic. Everyone either believes in God/god/gods or they don't, because it's a simple dichotomy.

Atheism/theism is like how either you have stamp collecting as a hobby, or you don't. Agnosticism is comparable to, say, whether you think stamp collecting is cool or not. You might think it's cool but you still don't do it (for whatever reason), or you might think it's profoundly uncool yet you do it anyway, you see? Different continuum.

There is a God. Well...everyone has their own god, but I believe in the one true God

Prove it.
Also, how can you claim your god is true? I always thought Loki was rather reputable...

[Secret Love]

Your definition of atheism is basically the same as my definition of agnosticism. So you can stop nit-picking at my beliefs now. Thanks.

Most atheists are agnostic about atheism. In truth, nobody can be 100% sure there is or isn't a god(Or any sort of higher or spiritual being/essence). IIRC, if definitive proof for a god was found, then atheists would immediately begin believing in that god.

There is a God...but that is my belief. For a human to come from an ape is pathetic thinking(sorry if you believe that) but if we do come from apes, then how in the world is their babies born that are babies in the flesh and not apes?

[Dyakovo]

Your definition of atheism is basically the same as my definition of agnosticism. So you can stop nit-picking at my beliefs now. Thanks.

You know what is funny about being atheism is believeing there isn't a God

Except I don't believe there isn't a god. I don't know whether there is or not and thus lack belief in him or her.

Some atheist believe in the devil-what I find interesting about that is that if you believe in the devil, you believe there is a God and vice versa

No, atheists do not believe in the devil.

[Seperates]

Also, I've probably contradicted myself at least once through this forum. to be honest, my beliefs are on shaky ground (I'm only 18, gimme a break) and every time I think too hard about them, they change.

Age matters not. I am only 16... but everyday my athieism grows stronger and stronger. It does not contradict itself, it does not contradict nature, it tells me to look for the answers myself, not to merely follow the paths of others.

[Secret Love]

There is a God. Well...everyone has their own god, but I believe in the one true God

Prove it.
Also, how can you claim your god is true? I always thought Loki was rather reputable...

Prove what? That everyone has their own gods or that I believe in my God?

[The Ideal Society]

Why are you guys assuming that I'm a male?

Because we've seen nothing to contradict it? If you are female, and my use of he and him actually bothers you, I apologize.

and I apologize for not completely understanding every detail of agnosticism and atheism. In my eyes, faith is a continuum. Crazy bible thumpers to one side, and atheists on the other. It was my understanding that the ones that aren't on either side (in the middle) are agnostics, and that's where I place myself. I've tried repeatedly to explain my beliefs just to have you challenge them over and over and make me repeat everything I've said. Sorry I snapped.

I wasn't challenging your beliefs. I was challenging your knowledge.

My knowledge on this matter is extremely limited because I don't care enough to look into it. What's the most politically correct way of saying "idgaf if there's a god, I'll live my life how I want and find out when I'm dead"?

And no, it doesn't bother me. At all. IRL I get mistaken for a boy/justin bieber all the time .

[Secret Love]

You know what is funny about being atheism is believeing there isn't a God

Except I don't believe there isn't a god. I don't know whether there is or not and thus lack belief in him or her.

Some atheist believe in the devil-what I find interesting about that is that if you believe in the devil, you believe there is a God and vice versa

No, atheists do not believe in the devil.

I said some

[Dyakovo]

Also, I've probably contradicted myself at least once through this forum. to be honest, my beliefs are on shaky ground (I'm only 18, gimme a break) and every time I think too hard about them, they change.

Good. Keep thinking about them. You should always challenge your beliefs.

[Seperates]

Your definition of atheism is basically the same as my definition of agnosticism. So you can stop nit-picking at my beliefs now. Thanks.

You know what is funny about being atheism is believeing there isn't a God
Some atheist believe in the devil-what I find interesting about that is that if you believe in the devil, you believe there is a God and vice versa

If they believe in Satan, then they are not an atheist. They are a Satanist. Duh.

[Unhealthy2]

There is a God.

Postmodern "theologians" like Karen Armstrong have taken it upon themselves to muddy the waters so much and make the word "god" so vague that the claim "There is a God." is virtually meaningless unless you specify what you mean by god. Yes, I know, it should be obvious, given that the word has had a common use throughout millenia, but thanks to modern pseudo-believers, you have to specify what "god" means when you say it.

Well...everyone has their own god,

I don't. And no, I don't think I'm god, I don't think "science" is god, I don't think the state is god, and I don't think "evolution" is god.

but I believe in the one true God

Which is, of course, Ahura Mazda.

[Dyakovo]

Maybe if you were more secure in your belief you wouldn't be so defensive?

What do you mean by "more secure in my belief"?

I mean if you were more sure that what you believed was actually true there would be no reason to get defensive.

I was born and raised lutheran, I went to Lutheran schools all my life, and I go to a Lutheran church

That's nice.