In Montana homosexual "recruitment" may be a felony...

[Cannot think of a name]

Hey man, I like a good fairy tale as much as the next guy, but I don't think we should get our understanding about how things like attraction and sexual preference work from them, nor should we be codifying them into law.

Was Montana one of those states that passed that bullshit proposition against Sharia Law...because if they did, how are they going to tell the difference between Sharia and this fundamental Christian bullshit? How they spell 'god'?


25 pages, someone has to have already made that reference...probably should have read the thread...

[The Ixian Confederacy]

I think the opinions of a plurality of the ruling party in Mississippi do matter.

I think the rantings of minority that cannot overturn the results of a Civil War are irrelevant as compared to the plight of those still suffering from inequality.

Source that the majority of blacks oppose gay marriage?

Google

But since I know having to research things irritates people, I found it for you.
http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_naacp_takes_a_stance_against_prop_8#
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1375/gay-marriage-civil-unions-opinion
66% of blacks oppose gay marriage, the highest of any group in the US. The average was even higher than the average Southerner of any origin.

[Ceannairceach]

The OT is how the Jews see there history; it is not a moral code nor a law book, nor should it be treated as one. That said, Paul didn't even meet Jesus, unlike his Apostles; he used his name to gain power, nothing more.

He met him via a vision.
and Paul was originally one of the biggest persecutors of the Christians. He also was very knowledgeable of the OT. Christ's conversion of him gave the Christians a good teacher and leader, who knew both the old writings and the new.

He could have simply dreamed it, or as someone else suggested, made it up when he realized how well Christianity was going to do. Either way, he is a man, and by the definition of the church, sinful. He has no right to interpret the word of the lord, judge others for there sins, or say who or who won't get into heaven.

[Kazomal]

One of those Divinely inspired, yes.

And as for those whod say I missed the point, lay off, etc etc.

The OT says that homosexuality is a death-penalty sin. It also speaks of national salvation.

One of my favorite Scriptures, and what I would use if I were in power (Maybe should be my national motto)
Deut 19:20
The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you.

The NT also said that you shouldn't give a shit about that and just be nice, and never mean, spiteful, or hateful, and leave the rest up to God. One's sins are between them and God. You have no right to intrude with your own judgements and condemnations.

Are you a Christian, or a Jew? Do you accept the New Testament and the word of Jesus Christ? If so, you cannot rely on the OT like that without acknowledging how such verses were overturned by the word of Jesus Christ. (If you're not a Christian, I'm sorry for coming on strong here)

Like I said, you straight missed the point. Almost every singe Jesus story involves Jesus chastising someone for doing exactly what you're doing. Read, man.

[Cannot think of a name]

But since I know having to research things irritates people, I found it for you.

It's not our job to research your claims.

[Draconian Races]

He met him via a vision.
and Paul was originally one of the biggest persecutors of the Christians. He also was very knowledgeable of the OT. Christ's conversion of him gave the Christians a good teacher and leader, who knew both the old writings and the new.

He could have simply dreamed it, or as someone else suggested, made it up when he realized how well Christianity was going to do. Either way, he is a man, and by the definition of the church, sinful. He has no right to interpret the word of the lord, judge others for there sins, or say who or who won't get into heaven.

Actually, he isnt judging. Just reaffirming whats already stated.

Do you believe a murderer, who never repents for their sins, will go to Heaven? Or a rapist?
No sinner who hasnt repented will enter the kingdom of God. And homosexuality is a sin. Therefore, those who do not give up their sin and repent of it, will not enter.

And by the way, as I said before, the attraction isnt the sin. Some people honestly are attracted to the same sex. That isnt the sin or crime.

What is is acting on it. The homosexual acts. The physical forms of moving on that attraction.

As Craig wrote, its fine for a celibate person with a homosexual orientation, to be a Christian. And its good for them to seek counseling. They can eventually enjoy a hetero life.

[Glorious Freedonia]

At least one man is making his stand against perversion, filth, and moral depravity. I do not like what I am seeing out there in the community where more and more people are accepting of male homosexuality.

[Norstal]

At least one man is making his stand against perversion, filth, and moral depravity. I do not like what I am seeing out there in the community where more and more people are accepting of male homosexuality.

What is filth. What is moral depravity.

[The Ixian Confederacy]

But since I know having to research things irritates people, I found it for you.

It's not our job to research your claims.

No, but researching things allows you to refrain from being uninformed of basic issues of human rights which are routinely discussed on NSG.
I'll count you as irritated.

[Davids Conglomerates]

Excuse me, but where did Draconian even mention the Catholic Church? Answer: he didn't. In fact, his Biblical literalism and emphasis on God's OT vengeful nature would strongly suggest that he is an Evangelical Protestant and thus would be completely opposed to the Catholic Church and its 'massive corporation' nature. So be sure in future to get your bloody facts straight before associating any and every bigot with the Catholic Church.

You're right. I was wrong to make the asumption that he is catholic. I appologise to you for any offence caused, and to anyone else who reads it.

At least one man is making his stand against perversion, filth, and moral depravity. I do not like what I am seeing out there in the community where more and more people are accepting of male homosexuality.

What is filth. What is moral depravity.

Subjective at best is the answer to both.

[Cannot think of a name]

At least one man is making his stand against perversion, filth, and moral depravity. I do not like what I am seeing out there in the community where more and more people are accepting of male homosexuality.

But lesbians are hot...

[Draconian Races]

One of those Divinely inspired, yes.

And as for those whod say I missed the point, lay off, etc etc.

The OT says that homosexuality is a death-penalty sin. It also speaks of national salvation.

One of my favorite Scriptures, and what I would use if I were in power (Maybe should be my national motto)
Deut 19:20
The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you.

The NT also said that you shouldn't give a shit about that and just be nice, and never mean, spiteful, or hateful, and leave the rest up to God. One's sins are between them and God. You have no right to intrude with your own judgements and condemnations.

Are you a Christian, or a Jew? Do you accept the New Testament and the word of Jesus Christ? If so, you cannot rely on the OT like that without acknowledging how such verses were overturned by the word of Jesus Christ. (If you're not a Christian, I'm sorry for coming on strong here)

Like I said, you straight missed the point. Almost every singe Jesus story involves Jesus chastising someone for doing exactly what you're doing. Read, man.

The NT does not ABOLISH the OT. It renders the *religious*, ceremonial part of the OT as void.
Much of the Bible is about government and personal life, however.
If God is the same Today, Tomorrow and Forever (as the Bible says he is), then his Moral laws (10 Commandments come to mind) still apply. They werent over-turned.

And Jesus Himself went into the Temple and basically caused a riot. He was angry, He was powerful, and He acted out violently.

Matthew 11:12

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force.
(Note: Suffer meaning allows, not meaning to be in agony)

[Kazomal]

He could have simply dreamed it, or as someone else suggested, made it up when he realized how well Christianity was going to do. Either way, he is a man, and by the definition of the church, sinful. He has no right to interpret the word of the lord, judge others for there sins, or say who or who won't get into heaven.

Actually, he isnt judging. Just reaffirming whats already stated.

Do you believe a murderer, who never repents for their sins, will go to Heaven? Or a rapist?
No sinner who hasnt repented will enter the kingdom of God. And homosexuality is a sin. Therefore, those who do not give up their sin and repent of it, will not enter.

And by the way, as I said before, the attraction isnt the sin. Some people honestly are attracted to the same sex. That isnt the sin or crime.

What is is acting on it. The homosexual acts. The physical forms of moving on that attraction.

As Craig wrote, its fine for a celibate person with a homosexual orientation, to be a Christian. And its good for them to seek counseling. They can eventually enjoy a hetero life.

Have you ever worn clothing made of more than one fabric?

Have you repented?

If someone has done so (as we all have and do every day, most likely), and not repented, will they not enter the Kingdom of Heaven?

God doesn't damn people for every little transgression. The bigger picture is the important part.

[Kobeanare]

As Craig wrote, its fine for a celibate person with a homosexual orientation, to be a Christian. And its good for them to seek counseling. They can eventually enjoy a hetero life.

Sexual orientation DOES. NOT. WORK. THAT. WAY.

At least one man is making his stand against perversion, filth, and moral depravity. I do not like what I am seeing out there in the community where more and more people are accepting of male homosexuality.

But there's nothing wrong with lesbians, amirite?

[Sunny Marionette]

Oh, and for the record, Romans wasn't written by one of the Apostles, it was written by Paul, who hadn't traveled with Jesus but saw him in a vision just made some shit up.

Fixed I believe is the term.

That it is. Religious arguments on a thread that's not about religion...I'm tempted to apply that "fix" to this entire page of the thread in my mind.

[Cannot think of a name]

It's not our job to research your claims.

No, but researching things allows you to refrain from being uninformed of basic issues of human rights which are routinely discussed on NSG.
I'll count you as irritated.

People have no problem researching shit, happens all the time despite smug betrayals...wait until you end up on the receiving end of a Cat-Tribes post. However, if you make a claim you shouldn't act like a whiny bitch if people want to see where you're getting it. We like to know when we're arguing with your ass.

[Ceannairceach]

Actually, he isnt judging. Just reaffirming whats already stated.

Do you believe a murderer, who never repents for their sins, will go to Heaven? Or a rapist?
No sinner who hasnt repented will enter the kingdom of God. And homosexuality is a sin. Therefore, those who do not give up their sin and repent of it, will not enter.

And by the way, as I said before, the attraction isnt the sin. Some people honestly are attracted to the same sex. That isnt the sin or crime.

What is is acting on it. The homosexual acts. The physical forms of moving on that attraction.

As Craig wrote, its fine for a celibate person with a homosexual orientation, to be a Christian. And its good for them to seek counseling. They can eventually enjoy a hetero life.

Source for homosexuality being a sin? As I stated, the OT doesn't count, as its a biased history of the Jews as they see it, not a moral or law code.

Craig is a dumbshit. You'd do well to stop listening to him. One cannot become a heterosexual when you are fully homosexual; Anyone claiming to have been converted is brainwashed.

[Draconian Races]

As Craig wrote, its fine for a celibate person with a homosexual orientation, to be a Christian. And its good for them to seek counseling. They can eventually enjoy a hetero life.

Sexual orientation DOES. NOT. WORK. THAT. WAY.

At least one man is making his stand against perversion, filth, and moral depravity. I do not like what I am seeing out there in the community where more and more people are accepting of male homosexuality.

But there's nothing wrong with lesbians, amirite?

To the first one... why not? Why should we have to accept their 'orientation'? Why should we lower our standards rather than raise theirs.

To the second... maybe from him, but Im an equal-opportunity opposer. As opposed to lesbians as I am to gays. I use 'gay' because it generally means homosexual, but I am not gender-specific.

[Wikkiwallana]

You know what else is an affront to God? Charlatans and false prophets.



That's now how rights work, fortunately. See, there's this document called the Constitution. And one of the amendments in that document ensures equal rights. Now here's the kicker... that document overrules public opinion. That's the whole idea. Because one of the principles our country is founded upon is that there are some rights people are entitled to, and it's not up for people to decide who gets them.

So... it doesn't matter if it's the will of the people to oppress the minority. They don't have the right to do so, and that's by design. If your grasp of US History is as adept as your grasp of theology, I'm hardly surprised you didn't know this.

See, marriage isnt a right. The right to own and bear arms? Gays with Guns, thats fine. Who said that marriage is a governmental right?

And how am I a false prophet? The Scriptures themselves speak of marriage a 1 man, 1 woman. They also condemn homosexuality.

As you have said, 6 times. In a book with with 66 chapters and I don't know how many more sub-chapters. That's barely a footnote, so why are you so fixated on it?

[Cannot think of a name]

Sexual orientation DOES. NOT. WORK. THAT. WAY.


But there's nothing wrong with lesbians, amirite?

To the first one... why not? Why should we have to accept their 'orientation'? Why should we lower our standards rather than raise theirs.

You don't have to do a thing except stop worrying about who people fuck. I do that every day, not care who other people fuck, it's pretty liberating. You should try it.

[The Ixian Confederacy]

No, but researching things allows you to refrain from being uninformed of basic issues of human rights which are routinely discussed on NSG.
I'll count you as irritated.

People have no problem researching shit, happens all the time despite smug betrayals...wait until you end up on the receiving end of a Cat-Tribes post. However, if you make a claim you shouldn't act like a whiny bitch if people want to see where you're getting it. We like to know when we're arguing with your ass.

Its so interesting you feel the way you do, when you haven't made any attempt at a debate with what I've been discussing or the sources I demonstrated.
Instead you've arrived, gotten angry, resorted to swearing like an infant, and then making vague implications that I'll get what I have coming from Cat-Tribes.

Do you have anything constructive to add to the debate about homosexuality, or are you simply spamming this thread with your irritation? Because its not my fault you're uninformed about the plight of homosexuals in the modern world.

[Kobeanare]

To the first one... why not?

For the same reason that no matter how hard you try, you can't change your hair color, skin color, gender, height...

[Ceannairceach]

To the first one... why not? Why should we have to accept their 'orientation'? Why should we lower our standards rather than raise theirs.

Because you aren't lowering your standards by accepting them as who they are, nor raising theirs by treating them like shit and brainwashing them? I don't advocate all religious people deconvert, because its a personal matter. I'd expect the same respect for my orientation, were you truly a Christian and did not judge.

[Wikkiwallana]

All that voting people do suggests otherwise.

Speaking of which, I've always wondered. Is it possible to have a Republic that isn't democratic? I mean, it doesn't seem like it would be.

Citizens could be chosen randomly to serve as government officials. Wouldn't exactly be effective, but it would be a non-democratic republic.

[Kazomal]

The NT also said that you shouldn't give a shit about that and just be nice, and never mean, spiteful, or hateful, and leave the rest up to God. One's sins are between them and God. You have no right to intrude with your own judgements and condemnations.

Are you a Christian, or a Jew? Do you accept the New Testament and the word of Jesus Christ? If so, you cannot rely on the OT like that without acknowledging how such verses were overturned by the word of Jesus Christ. (If you're not a Christian, I'm sorry for coming on strong here)

Like I said, you straight missed the point. Almost every singe Jesus story involves Jesus chastising someone for doing exactly what you're doing. Read, man.

The NT does not ABOLISH the OT. It renders the *religious*, ceremonial part of the OT as void.
Much of the Bible is about government and personal life, however.
If God is the same Today, Tomorrow and Forever (as the Bible says he is), then his Moral laws (10 Commandments come to mind) still apply. They werent over-turned.

And Jesus Himself went into the Temple and basically caused a riot. He was angry, He was powerful, and He acted out violently.

Matthew 11:12

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force.
(Note: Suffer meaning allows, not meaning to be in agony)

Matthew 11:12 is not an endorsement, just a statement of human nature, like "the poor will always be with you."

Yeah, Jesus lost his temper and threw the corrupt and the unjust from the temple, it was an extreme reaction, and not indicative of how Jesus advocated living in all situations. Also, he did not pursue or punish anyone, he just physically removed the taint from his Father's house. He then went on to state that the temple is not the brick and stone, but the people, and the presence of God.

The rules still apply, but like I said, that is between the person and God, you have no right to intrude with your own judgements and condemnations, or even comments. You are to live your life right, see to your own sins, and be nice to everyone, bear malice towards none and let God sort out people's sins when they die.