In Montana homosexual "recruitment" may be a felony...

[Unchecked Expansion]

Well, I thought about it all night.

Thus far, the only way I can think of that homosexuals could "recruit" straight people is already covered by the charge of "rape."

Don't forget Gay Pride Parades... hmm... I wonder how people would react to a White, Male, and Straight Pride parade? *Prepares for flamewar*

What would they do 'We're here, We're not oppressed or marginalised in any way, We feel disinclined to let any enjoy our privileges!

[Wamitoria]

Well, I thought about it all night.

Thus far, the only way I can think of that homosexuals could "recruit" straight people is already covered by the charge of "rape."

Don't forget Gay Pride Parades... hmm... I wonder how people would react to a White, Male, and Straight Pride parade? *Prepares for flamewar*

It's called the St. Patrick's Day Parade. We have one every year.

[Sucrati]

Don't forget Gay Pride Parades... hmm... I wonder how people would react to a White, Male, and Straight Pride parade? *Prepares for flamewar*

What would they do 'We're here, We're not oppressed or marginalized in any way, We feel disinclined to let any enjoy our privileges!

And the 'civil rights' advocates would be all over that condemning it.

[Unchecked Expansion]

What would they do 'We're here, We're not oppressed or marginalized in any way, We feel disinclined to let any enjoy our privileges!

And the 'civil rights' advocates would be all over that condemning it.

Celebrating being on top in the face of relentless equality isn't particularly beneficial to civil rights

[Farnhamia]

What would they do 'We're here, We're not oppressed or marginalized in any way, We feel disinclined to let any enjoy our privileges!

And the 'civil rights' advocates would be all over that condemning it.

Nah, we'd be out of breath from laughing. Those of us with a sense of humor, that is. Sadly, too many well-meaning people seem to lack the capacity to laugh at themselves.

[The Archregimancy]

Hi there guys, I'm going to follow Draconian's logic for a moment. I have a book I'm going to quote here... let's see a good place to start.

"… the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew."

Ok, time to kill all those Jews, since my book is definitive proof and it says there the Jews are the physical manifestation of Satan.

I don't think Hitler was very wrong on this...

Eternal Yerushalayim, I was initially inclined to let you off the hook with a strong warning about being careful with what - even with the slightly more relaxed rules on the subject - borders on picspam. Especially since you seem to have been making a habit of it today.

However, on further reflection - and after discussing it with another mod - I fail to see how your posting a picture of a Jewish US Senator with the strong implication that Senator Feinstein deserved genocide can be construed as anything other than trolling. If it was intended as humour, it wasn't funny. Trust me.

*** Warned for trolling ***

[The Ixian Confederacy]

Montana is in the South? Interesting...

No, but this is the bullshit the South has to offer:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-shee ... marriage/#

Keep in mind that a 46% of Mississippi Republicans think that interracial should be illegal. Not just oppose it, but support the government banning it!

So long as the majority of blacks oppose gay rights and gay marriage, I don't think the opinions of a minority of whites regarding interracial marriage is important.
The bigoted whites can't change it. The bigoted blacks continue to gay bash, assault homosexuals, and block the rights of homosexuals.

I wonder why homosexuality is such a crime in black culture.

[Wamitoria]

I wonder why homosexuality is such a crime in black culture.

Baptists.

[Sucrati]

I wonder why homosexuality is such a crime in black culture.

Baptists.

With their love of casserole XD

[Rambhutan]

So presumably porn films shown or sold in Montana will have to have some kind of sticker on proclaiming that any girl on girl action features genuine lesbians and none of the gay porn stars are actually straight?

[Angleter]

This is STILL going?! Oh lawdy!

Why is ANYONE trying to argue to Draconian? He needs an invisible man in the sky to tell him the difference from right and wrong! He can't see that some people don't need the assistance of the massive corporation of the catholic church to be nice to people.

Excuse me, but where did Draconian even mention the Catholic Church? Answer: he didn't. In fact, his Biblical literalism and emphasis on God's OT vengeful nature would strongly suggest that he is an Evangelical Protestant and thus would be completely opposed to the Catholic Church and its 'massive corporation' nature. So be sure in future to get your bloody facts straight before associating any and every bigot with the Catholic Church.

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This is curious, to say the least. I thought America had at least progressed enough to accept that one cannot be 'recruited' into homosexuality.

[Draconian Races]

Now Draco, let me quote a friend of mine. She's a Christian, a lovely person and not only tolerate but gets along with people regardless of sexuality, ethnicity, gender. In fact, she is your opposite. And of people like you, she says 'you're making us all look bad'. Which you are. You're uninformed bigotry only makes your faith look archaic and barbaric, and you tar your religion and your god merely by being obnoxious and hateful.

Ethnicity and gender, I have no problem with. Sexuality, I do.
And I 'get along' with them fine. I dont have RL flamefests, have never assaulted anyone over it. It doesnt mean I wont oppose it to my very last breath.

As for the cast-the-first-stone...
That situation was a purposeful attempt to entrap and discredit Christ. It is never shown what he wrote in the sand, but it obviously had an effect on the Pharisees; his 'let he who is without sin' line was the finishing blow in his combined action/argument.

And how is it being an asshole for adhering to the Bible? Christ wanted them to *change their ways*. Go and sin no more?

Homosexuality is clearly considered a sin and depraved in the Bible.
Toleration is one thing, but too often Christians silently allow and/or support things they shouldnt.

We're to be a light in the darkness. We're to stand firm against the world when it opposes God's Word. Even if that seems 'cruel' or 'bigoted'.

@ The Raptor, for sources..

Albert Camus, writing that all is meaningless, life and the universe are terrible, and suicide is the only real philosophical question. (And ironically, then saying we might as well love each other and be brotherly)

Jean-Paul Sartre, who took Nietzsche's God is Dead as a given, and wrote all about moral objectivism.... then attempted to pretend there was meaning to life (Sort of a 'lets make our own meaning and pretend it matters'

[Sunny Marionette]

This is curious, to say the least. I thought America had at least progressed enough to accept that one cannot be 'recruited' into homosexuality.

One would think, one would think...

[The Ixian Confederacy]

This is curious, to say the least. I thought America had at least progressed enough to accept that one cannot be 'recruited' into homosexuality.

People confuse the annual Gay and Lesbian Draft picks with simple recruiting.

A lot of time goes into the Draft and determining who gets first pick.

[Draconian Races]

This is STILL going?! Oh lawdy!

Why is ANYONE trying to argue to Draconian? He needs an invisible man in the sky to tell him the difference from right and wrong! He can't see that some people don't need the assistance of the massive corporation of the catholic church to be nice to people.

Excuse me, but where did Draconian even mention the Catholic Church? Answer: he didn't. In fact, his Biblical literalism and emphasis on God's OT vengeful nature would strongly suggest that he is an Evangelical Protestant and thus would be completely opposed to the Catholic Church and its 'massive corporation' nature. So be sure in future to get your bloody facts straight before associating any and every bigot with the Catholic Church.

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This is curious, to say the least. I thought America had at least progressed enough to accept that one cannot be 'recruited' into homosexuality.

I disagree on some doctrinal issues with the Catholic Church, but I dont oppose them on everything. I really dont have a denominational label. I dont even fit in with the "Non-Denominationals" very well.

And as for needing an invisible man, perhaps I just want something greater than myself? Because if God is dead (or just exists and doesnt give a crap), then this is a pretty damn meaningless world. No real purpose in being here, everything is empty.... nothing I do will matter.

So maybe I choose to believe in something greater than myself, something or someone who knows all, who transcends the universe?

I just get so tired of the very.. lackluster, modern Church. I dont want to go to a 'social club that charges a dollar a meeting' (Offering).
But none of the churches I have attended ever went indepth into *anything* in the Bible. And NONE spoke of Christ as anything but peaceful.
Did He come in peace? Yes.
Is He returning as a Conquerer, with an army as his back, destroying those who opposed Him? Yes.

People always quote "Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord."
They forget the second part: "I WILL repay."

[Wikkiwallana]

Prove its a perversion by Satan.

Romans 1, 24-28.

"Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshipped and served the creature (Satan/themselves) rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=5395843#p5395843
Further:

1“Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2“For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

27“But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29“Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. 30“Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. 31“Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. 32“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33“If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34“If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners in order to receive back the same amount. 35“But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. 36“Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

37“Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. 38“Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”

28One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” 29Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; 30AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.’ 31“The second is this, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

1Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. 2One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. 3The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

10But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

11For it is written,
“AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME,
AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD.”

12So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.

13Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way. 14I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Oh, and for the record, Romans wasn't written by one of the Apostles, it was written by Paul, who hadn't traveled with Jesus but saw him in a vision.

[Ceannairceach]

Homosexuality is clearly considered a sin and depraved in the Bible.

Pray tell, where does it call homosexuality a sin?

[Draconian Races]

Romans 1, 24-28.

"Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshipped and served the creature (Satan/themselves) rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=5395843#p5395843
Further:

1“Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2“For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

27“But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29“Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. 30“Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. 31“Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. 32“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33“If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34“If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners in order to receive back the same amount. 35“But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men. 36“Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

37“Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. 38“Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”

28One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” 29Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; 30AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.’ 31“The second is this, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

1Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. 2One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. 3The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

10But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

11For it is written,
“AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME,
AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD.”

12So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.

13Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way. 14I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Oh, and for the record, Romans wasn't written by one of the Apostles, it was written by Paul, who hadn't traveled with Jesus but saw him in a vision.

You can quote all you want about loving. But Christ has two sides to Him as well. And He is returning as a warrior, not as a peace-lover.

1 Corinthians 6:9


9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a]

10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Footnotes:

1. 1 Corinthians 6:9 The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.

[Ceannairceach]

You can quote all you want about loving. But Christ has two sides to Him as well. And He is returning as a warrior, not as a peace-lover.

1 Corinthians 6:9


9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a]

10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Footnotes:

1. 1 Corinthians 6:9 The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.

So Paul is the word of god now?

[Davids Conglomerates]

nothing I do will matter.

Getting remembered as a nice guy, or remembered for a few generations of humans not good enough for you? I think all religion and the theory of gods is a crock of shit developed by people to explain things and make the world less scary. I'll be happy if one person remembers me after I'm dead for something nice I did for them.

Just build a statue of yourself somewhere if all you want is for things you do to matter in a span longer than your tiny few years of existance compared to time itself. In the end, when we're all dead, everything humanity has achieved will be worthless to us anyway.

[Kazomal]

I wonder why homosexuality is such a crime in black culture.

Baptists.

Poverty, and it's associated issue, education.

I think the opinions of a plurality of the ruling party in Mississippi do matter.

Both racists and homophobes should change.

Source that the majority of blacks oppose gay marriage?

You're putting the actions of an extreme minority on a whole group, which is unfair. Remember, most terrorism in the US is done by white Christains, but that doesn't make whites or Christians terrorists, as a group.

[Draconian Races]

One of those Divinely inspired, yes.

And as for those whod say I missed the point, lay off, etc etc.

The OT says that homosexuality is a death-penalty sin. It also speaks of national salvation.

One of my favorite Scriptures, and what I would use if I were in power (Maybe should be my national motto)
Deut 19:20
The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you.

[Ceannairceach]

One of those Divinely inspired, yes.

And as for those whod say I missed the point, lay off, etc etc.

The OT says that homosexuality is a death-penalty sin. It also speaks of national salvation.

One of my favorite Scriptures, and what I would use if I were in power (Maybe should be my national motto)
Deut 19:20
The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you.

The OT is how the Jews see there history; it is not a moral code nor a law book, nor should it be treated as one. That said, Paul didn't even meet Jesus, unlike his Apostles; he used his name to gain power, nothing more.

[Rambhutan]

Oh, and for the record, Romans wasn't written by one of the Apostles, it was written by Paul, who hadn't traveled with Jesus but saw him in a vision just made some shit up.

Fixed I believe is the term.

[Draconian Races]

One of those Divinely inspired, yes.

And as for those whod say I missed the point, lay off, etc etc.

The OT says that homosexuality is a death-penalty sin. It also speaks of national salvation.

One of my favorite Scriptures, and what I would use if I were in power (Maybe should be my national motto)
Deut 19:20
The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you.

The OT is how the Jews see there history; it is not a moral code nor a law book, nor should it be treated as one. That said, Paul didn't even meet Jesus, unlike his Apostles; he used his name to gain power, nothing more.

He met him via a vision.
and Paul was originally one of the biggest persecutors of the Christians. He also was very knowledgeable of the OT. Christ's conversion of him gave the Christians a good teacher and leader, who knew both the old writings and the new.