In Montana homosexual "recruitment" may be a felony...

[Wiztopia]

He still hasn't proved that Satan created homosexuality.

[Ifreann]

As for informed consent, why isnt Incest legal after the child has turned 18?

Because too many people are squicked out by it to consider it rationally and legalise it.

[Luciratus]

Man, this is too much fun. You ever have those classes where one of the kids would insist that he had the right answer no matter what anyone else said because he thought he understood the textbook when he had it completely wrong? Yeah, this is like that.

But I have work tomorrow, so I should catch some sleep. But don't stop, I look forward to pages of hilarity when I return.

Well, in all honesty, it is difficult for a single individual to debate with multiple persons. That said, I might consider playing devil's advocate (with no offense intended to anybody) for the purposes of making a more balanced discussion.

[Draconian Races]

Man, this is too much fun. You ever have those classes where one of the kids would insist that he had the right answer no matter what anyone else said because he thought he understood the textbook when he had it completely wrong? Yeah, this is like that.

But I have work tomorrow, so I should catch some sleep. But don't stop, I look forward to pages of hilarity when I return.

I can quote Dr Craig, excerpts from the Dakes commentary on the Bible, etc.

No Christian who is pro-homosexuality, will be saved.

Its one thing to be supportive to a homosexual who repents and lives celibate for God, or tries to go straight.

Another to support those who are blatantly breaking His rules.

[Seltwar]

1. Because humans are by secular knowledge incapable of having an intimate connection with an animal at the sexual level.

2. Because humans are by the New Testament forgiven of all sins if we believe in Jesus Christ (Hence recognizing that man is not perfect and may have homosexual tendencies, regardless of whether or not that is a bad thing), and because of the free will that we exercised at the Garden of Eden, should be allowed to make that decision ourselves.

Let alone the apparent problems with using Leviticus as a code of law in terms of homosexuality. Apparently, when taken in context, it gets confusing.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh4.htm

Also, due to events in the New Testament, apparently the Old Testament is completely stricken out.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-law.html

It applied only until the Messaiah's coming.

You not being a real Christian (A pick-and-match Christian by your admission), I doubt you'll care, but...

INCORRECT! The RELIGIOUS aspect of the law was stricken down. The two doves on the altar sort of thing.

The MORAL AND GOVERNMENTAL laws of the OT were still in effect.
And religious tolerance is often taken too far. You have your sources, I have mine. In this case, the article written by Dr. Craig.

And actually, Im being a whole-bible Christian. I tend to study more of the fire-and-brmstone aspects, but I take the whole Bible as valid. Not just the NT.

As for informed consent, why isnt Incest legal after the child has turned 18?

Because incest causes DISEASES. Seriously what part of this are you not getting?
Homsexual sex spreads STD'S just like heterosexual sex. Unlike either of those Incest causes mental retardation, physical diseases, immune diseases, muscle disorders. Seriously stop skipping the parts you dont like and read it all.
You seem to take the bible that way. Why dont you do the same with your religious texts? Please stop preaching to us. Your openly stating your beliefs and trying to argue with us to convince us of your beliefs...your preaching. There is a quote in the bible that says to leave those that deny you. IE We dont want to believe your circular logic and instead we base our belief on medicine and the law and not the law of god *there are tons of religions with their laws* So by that logic we should listen to every religions logic. So we should take in the muslim non beliver tax and tax you 50% of your income because your not a muslim. Fair? No? Because its a life style choice thats being taxed? Guess how homosexuals feel.

[Draconian Races]

He still hasn't proved that Satan created homosexuality.

I posted the Scripture that spoke about it.

Man, this is too much fun. You ever have those classes where one of the kids would insist that he had the right answer no matter what anyone else said because he thought he understood the textbook when he had it completely wrong? Yeah, this is like that.

But I have work tomorrow, so I should catch some sleep. But don't stop, I look forward to pages of hilarity when I return.

Well, in all honesty, it is difficult for a single individual to debate with multiple persons. That said, I might consider playing devil's advocate (with no offense intended to anybody) for the purposes of making a more balanced discussion.

None taken. And yeah, I have a hard time trying to answer 3-5 posts at once. So I try to focus on one or two statements at a time. Plus its 2 AM XD and Im going to sleep soon

[Ifreann]

He still hasn't proved that Satan created homosexuality.

Any minute now.....

[Meowfoundland]

and yes, He will still cast into Hell any who practice homosexuality, rape, murder, bestiality, incest, adultery, usury, etc.

Goodbye, 90% of all people ever! Especially on the adultery and usury parts. Not a very forgiving god, is he?

[Terra Australasia]

He still hasn't proved that Satan created homosexuality.

I posted the Scripture that spoke about it.

Well, in all honesty, it is difficult for a single individual to debate with multiple persons. That said, I might consider playing devil's advocate (with no offense intended to anybody) for the purposes of making a more balanced discussion.

None taken. And yeah, I have a hard time trying to answer 3-5 posts at once. So I try to focus on one or two statements at a time. Plus its 2 AM XD and Im going to sleep soon

It's a message board on the internets. We'll still be here in the morning.

Those of us who don't drink, anyway.

[Seltwar]

Man, this is too much fun. You ever have those classes where one of the kids would insist that he had the right answer no matter what anyone else said because he thought he understood the textbook when he had it completely wrong? Yeah, this is like that.

But I have work tomorrow, so I should catch some sleep. But don't stop, I look forward to pages of hilarity when I return.

I can quote Dr Craig, excerpts from the Dakes commentary on the Bible, etc.

No Christian who is pro-homosexuality, will be saved.

Its one thing to be supportive to a homosexual who repents and lives celibate for God, or tries to go straight.

Another to support those who are blatantly breaking His rules.

First of all. What makes you think your correct?
What about the Jews? Their book proves them right. Muslims? Their books proves them right and you wrong.
Hindu's? Their books prove them right. Buddhists? their teachings prove them right. Scientologists? Their book proves them right. What gives you the right to take your opinion and apply it to society?

[Draconian Races]

You seem to take the bible that way. Why dont you do the same with your religious texts? Please stop preaching to us. Your openly stating your beliefs and trying to argue with us to convince us of your beliefs...your preaching. There is a quote in the bible that says to leave those that deny you.

I dont think Im going to change the views of any of those who are disagreeing with me.

I wont, however, just say "Oh ok youre right, bye!"

[Draconian Races]

I can quote Dr Craig, excerpts from the Dakes commentary on the Bible, etc.

No Christian who is pro-homosexuality, will be saved.

Its one thing to be supportive to a homosexual who repents and lives celibate for God, or tries to go straight.

Another to support those who are blatantly breaking His rules.

First of all. What makes you think your correct?
What about the Jews? Their book proves them right. Muslims? Their books proves them right and you wrong.
Hindu's? Their books prove them right. Buddhists? their teachings prove them right. Scientologists? Their book proves them right. What gives you the right to take your opinion and apply it to society?

Thats a subject for the Christian vs (insert religion here)

Any follower of any religion will believe theirs is correct. I just truly believe mine is the only one thats right.

[Seltwar]

You seem to take the bible that way. Why dont you do the same with your religious texts? Please stop preaching to us. Your openly stating your beliefs and trying to argue with us to convince us of your beliefs...your preaching. There is a quote in the bible that says to leave those that deny you.

I dont think Im going to change the views of any of those who are disagreeing with me.

I wont, however, just say "Oh ok youre right, bye!"

Then why are you here? Fighting just to fight? Im pretty sure the bible says something about that.
Stop being a hypocrite. You cannot just write off the parts of it you dont like. And you didn't address the main point.

[Draconian Races]

Prove its a perversion by Satan.

Romans 1, 24-28.

"Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshipped and served the creature (Satan/themselves) rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

I already said how its a perversion from Satan, like 3 pages ago

[Ifreann]

Because incest causes DISEASES. Seriously what part of this are you not getting?

It doesn't, though. It can, over time, limit genetic diversity among the resulting offspring. But not all sex leads to children, and just because your parents are brother and sister doesn't mean you'll be Cletus the slack-jawed yokel.

[Seltwar]

First of all. What makes you think your correct?
What about the Jews? Their book proves them right. Muslims? Their books proves them right and you wrong.
Hindu's? Their books prove them right. Buddhists? their teachings prove them right. Scientologists? Their book proves them right. What gives you the right to take your opinion and apply it to society?

Thats a subject for the Christian vs (insert religion here)

Any follower of any religion will believe theirs is correct. I just truly believe mine is the only one thats right.

Thats odd. You believe your religion gives you the right to force your beliefs unto others...why cant they force theirs unto you?
Oh you think that the homosexuals are forcing their beliefs unto you? No because were deciding as a NATION...AS HUMAN BEINGS, not by the word of some 1500 year old book. Imagine if we took every book as literally as you did....Up next for the NationStates reading...Mein Kampf.

[Draconian Races]

I dont think Im going to change the views of any of those who are disagreeing with me.

I wont, however, just say "Oh ok youre right, bye!"

Then why are you here? Fighting just to fight? Im pretty sure the bible says something about that.
Stop being a hypocrite. You cannot just write off the parts of it you dont like. And you didn't address the main point.

Im fighting to make a point. And of course, because I actually believe the stuff I say.

This isnt Evangelism Hour with Generic Preacher. Im not trying to save souls at the moment.
That comes when I put on my tophat and get a bullhorn.

[Terra Australasia]

Because incest causes DISEASES. Seriously what part of this are you not getting?

It doesn't, though. It can, over time, limit genetic diversity among the resulting offspring. But not all sex leads to children, and just because your parents are brother and sister doesn't mean you'll be Cletus the slack-jawed yokel.

It does, however, increase the chances of you becoming Cletus the slack-jawed yokel.

[Kharcha chaos raptor]

Man, this is too much fun. You ever have those classes where one of the kids would insist that he had the right answer no matter what anyone else said because he thought he understood the textbook when he had it completely wrong? Yeah, this is like that.

But I have work tomorrow, so I should catch some sleep. But don't stop, I look forward to pages of hilarity when I return.

I can quote Dr Craig, excerpts from the Dakes commentary on the Bible, etc.

No Christian who is pro-homosexuality, will be saved.

Its one thing to be supportive to a homosexual who repents and lives celibate for God, or tries to go straight.

Another to support those who are blatantly breaking His rules.

okay, let me quote some parts of your posts just now.

I can quote Dr Craig, excerpts from the Dakes commentary on the Bible, etc.

which are things written by man? correct?

The laws of man are fallible.

so man is not above mistakes and falsehoods.

now I'm agnost, so I might continue with the apostles, but they could be said to have been closer to god by dint of being apostles which makes the original bible a source from Him, whereas the other sources are made by 'normal' people. who, as you have said, are not above mistakes. they may even be 'perverted by satan' if I may again quote your own words.

[Seltwar]

Because incest causes DISEASES. Seriously what part of this are you not getting?

It doesn't, though. It can, over time, limit genetic diversity among the resulting offspring. But not all sex leads to children, and just because your parents are brother and sister doesn't mean you'll be Cletus the slack-jawed yokel.

True... but the chances are very high...Google the Hapsburg dynasty...that is what happens. Royal incest sanction by god. By god?? how? Kings by law are sanctioned by god. Not anymore but in their time and going back...yes.

[Draconian Races]

Because incest causes DISEASES. Seriously what part of this are you not getting?

It doesn't, though. It can, over time, limit genetic diversity among the resulting offspring. But not all sex leads to children, and just because your parents are brother and sister doesn't mean you'll be Cletus the slack-jawed yokel.

True. First-generation offspring of incest arent always defective.

And no, they choose to make themselves like animals. People who say humans are animals, and believe such, thus lower themselves to the level of animals. Therefore, wouldnt that make them sub-human, if you follow that thoughtpath?

*Wanders off to raise funding for a new Crusade.*

[Luciratus]

Because incest causes DISEASES. Seriously what part of this are you not getting?

It doesn't, though. It can, over time, limit genetic diversity among the resulting offspring. But not all sex leads to children, and just because your parents are brother and sister doesn't mean you'll be Cletus the slack-jawed yokel.

There is the frequent abuse Ifreann. Although, abuse is becoming more common in all relationships any how. *I sigh.*

[Kharcha chaos raptor]

It doesn't, though. It can, over time, limit genetic diversity among the resulting offspring. But not all sex leads to children, and just because your parents are brother and sister doesn't mean you'll be Cletus the slack-jawed yokel.

It does, however, increase the chances of you becoming Cletus the slack-jawed yokel.

to be more precise it increases the chances of the children of such a relationship becoming Cletus the slack-jawed yokel.

[Draconian Races]

I can quote Dr Craig, excerpts from the Dakes commentary on the Bible, etc.

No Christian who is pro-homosexuality, will be saved.

Its one thing to be supportive to a homosexual who repents and lives celibate for God, or tries to go straight.

Another to support those who are blatantly breaking His rules.

okay, let me quote some parts of your posts just now.

I can quote Dr Craig, excerpts from the Dakes commentary on the Bible, etc.

which are things written by man? correct?

The laws of man are fallible.

so man is not above mistakes and falsehoods.

now I'm agnost, so I might continue with the apostles, but they could be said to have been closer to god by dint of being apostles which makes the original bible a source from Him, whereas the other sources are made by 'normal' people. who, as you have said, are not above mistakes. they may even be 'perverted by satan' if I may again quote your own words.

Correct. They are written by man. So are the links of 'Christians' who disagree.

So its kind of like fighting fire with fire, but it works.

[AustriaHungaryBohemia]

I Will. Not. Change. My. Views.

Then. Do. Not. Bloody. Engage. In. Debate.