Civilian firearms in USA, should they be banned?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Not at all. But we needs greater checks on who can get guns.

Honestly, there are three types of guns that people actually need for the purposes they claim to need guns for: Small pistols for "self-defense" and semi-auto/bolt-action rifles and shotguns for hunting. You don't fucking need an assault rifle to hunt animals, dammit!

Your right. Assault rifles are pointless for hunting.

Thank god my AR-10 is not an assault rifle..308 is a perfect hunting rifle and has served me well over the years.

Pics, please.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Your right. Assault rifles are pointless for hunting.

Thank god my AR-10 is not an assault rifle..308 is a perfect hunting rifle and has served me well over the years.

Pics, please.

Meh, too lazy to dig out the rifle and take some pics of it atm.

[Khadgar]

Please stop posting in the zombie thread.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Please stop posting in the zombie thread.

You can always request to have a Messenger Of Doom load up some Zombie Max ammo and remove the head from this thread.

Until that full moon night, people are free really to post good sir/lady/It.

[Cameroi]

banned? no.

but there's no reason in hell not to put an end to their mass production.

nor to not require anything convenient to kill with, to at least require a permit, to be bought and sold.

arm everyone with tazers and pepper spray instead. accedental deaths and injuries can still result from those too, but are major orders of magnatude less likely to.
superior in every way for purposes of self defense, and a smart populas could still overthrow a government if enough thought they had to.

[Liriena]

Banned? NO.

Controlled to be kept off the hands of potentially dangerous or unfit citizens? OBVIOUSLY.

[Acrainia]

No.

Even if a total ban were to be implemented and the government did it's best to confiscate everyone's weapons, there are still enough guns in circulation to arm criminals and murderers for centuries to come. Therefore we will still have plenty of spree killers, gang shootouts, and all the other gun related crimes people seem to think banning guns will prevent.

Background checks are a good idea though.

[Grinning Dragon]

Heh, zombie threads are like a way back machine.

The thing about zombie threads are, once someone makes a loud enough noise they come running (well more of a shuffling groaning mall walking pace) and feed on the delicious savory new threads until those become zombies and get resurrected.

Other than that NO firearms should not be banned or restricted in any way, shape or form.

[Catafrak]

Gun regulation sounds all nice and neat till you find out that the regulators are selectively enforcing said regulation and plenty of unstable characters have gotten guns and plenty of stable upstanding persons have had there tails stepped on, and are now being spied on illegally by ultra paranoid government agencies.

[YellowApple]

No, no one will defend you except yourself, especially some government that cares only about how rich they are and how much power they have.

You. You are the one who awoke the zombie thread.

Look what you have done.

Anyway, I've probably said this on this thread already (but I don't remember, considering that it's from almost 1.5 years ago...), but I'm definitely against banning guns. I don't see anything wrong with having the means to defend yourself when the need arises. For some, tasers and mace are enough. For others, they just don't cut it.

The higher crime rate in America only encourages me to feel that a firearm is absolutely necessary. I'd rather not be in a position of helplessness when faced with robbers, murderers, rapists, and the like.

I do agree strongly with regulation - not just for handguns and automatics, but for all lethal firearms - so as to prevent known criminals from having access to the tools of self-defense they misuse. Lethal firearms should also be well-documented so as to facilitate audits of firearm inventory - i.e. you are expected to maintain total awareness of the location of each firearm you own, and should be able to locate said firearm if asked to by a law enforcement officer; that will reduce the current trend of Mexican drug cartels bringing in illegal drugs and leaving with American-bought weapons to continue to wreak havoc down south (though legalizing cannabis would certainly help that too by cutting the cartels' revenues and making them obsolete).

[Crogach]

As far as I'm concerned we should make an effort to uphold the first part of the Second Amendment ("A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state") rather than doing away with the second ("the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"), and that would solve a lot of our firearms issues.

What I'd like to see us do is set up a basic 3.5-month training program over the summer following the senior year of high school providing the basic skills required to make someone an asset rather than a liability in the event of an invasion (however unlikely) or natural disaster (far more likely on a local or regional level). I'm thinking of having everyone learn basic CPR and EMT training, basic physical fitness training, exposure to disaster-like scenarios in order to teach people to keep their heads when things go to pieces, and of course firearms sense. How to shoot a gun, how to shoot a target with reasonable accuracy, how to defend yourself with a firearm (or hand-to-hand) without accidentally ventilating your walls or your neighbor or the bystanders down the street (something that Trotskylvania touched on in another thread), and so on. Successful completion of the program would lead to the issuance of a conceal-and-carry permit valid for one or two handguns as well as a possession license for long guns (shotguns, hunting rifles, etc.) After the program is completed people would remain "on reserve" for a period of years ("on reserve" meaning a couple days a month of training and the possibility of standing in for or assisting the National Guard if something happens).

I wouldn't change the rules about background checks and waiting periods prior to obtaining a gun, nor the requirement that people register and keep track of their firearms, and I would make it seriously illegal to pull a firearm while legally intoxicated, or to draw within 100 feet of an establishment selling or serving intoxicating liquors, a school or daycare, and most other property on which concealed carry is currently a violation of federal law (with exceptions for situations in which the life or personal property of an innocent is in danger). Furthermore, I'd continue the practice of attaching significantly elevated penalties to crimes in which firearms were displayed or used, and possibly increase such penalties in certain cases.

The whole point of what I described above is to find a rational solution to the firearms problem that most people can accept. I want to see us embrace a culture in which responsible firearm ownership is allowed and encouraged, but use of firearms for negligent or criminal purposes is treated as a serious breach of the people's trust and discouraged (and punished) accordingly. By providing basically universal training and making permit availability contingent on completion of such training, this plan would encourage most of the population to earn the right to use a firearm while at the same time cracking down on people who misuse guns or have no clue what they're doing. Furthermore, having training that encompasses more than just how to use a firearm but also how to respond on the fly to dangerous situations should both reduce the number of times that guns pop out because people are nervous or angry, and ensure that in the event of another attack like Aurora the potential victims are both armed and trained and thus less likely to die.

[YellowApple]

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I agree with all that completely.

In addition to that, I'd also be down with requiring those seeking to purchase lethal firearms to have some sort of certification in the use of said firearms - i.e. knowing full well about gun safety, how to properly use and maintain a gun, when a gun should or should not be used, etc.

[Irentian]

Ban them? Your out of your mind.

Keep stronger regulations not for the people, but for the FBI so we don't lose a shit load of guns and officers trying to catch the drug cartels? Yes

Keep them out of mentally disabled peoples hands? Depends, how good of a shot are they and do they know the difference from a person and a turkey?

Keep people with third to first degree felonies from getting guns? Yes.

Stop those gun shows that happen in America that gives free guns to you without a license? Depends, what type of guns are they giving for free?

My view on guns.

[Crogach]

-snip-

I agree with all that completely.

In addition to that, I'd also be down with requiring those seeking to purchase lethal firearms to have some sort of certification in the use of said firearms - i.e. knowing full well about gun safety, how to properly use and maintain a gun, when a gun should or should not be used, etc.

I completely agree; the summer training program would include basically all of those things, and successful completion would be the only way to obtain a firearms license.

[Frisbeeteria]

No, no one will defend you except yourself, especially some government that cares only about how rich they are and how much power they have.

Please don't dig up threads that have been dead for over a year.