Communist Cuba turns 50!

[Lerro]

So it's better than almost none of them?

Cuba is better than Haiti. That's about it.

HAHA fucking no. Being active in the Hispanic community tends to lend you the perspectives of people who live South of the U.S.

Dominican Republic= Capitalist Shithole
Haiti= Failed Shithole
Sao Tome/Barbados/Etc....= Poor as fuck shitholes
Jamaica= Failed Democracy turned Shithole
Cuba= Semblance of Sanity

But of course, anything that doesn't concede to your Capitalist opinion is flawed or illogical. Hence, I'm going to allow you to go harass some other SOB before I lose my patience.

Cuba is the only one of those which locks up political prisoners.

[Valtieres]

HAHA fucking no. Being active in the Hispanic community tends to lend you the perspectives of people who live South of the U.S.

Dominican Republic= Capitalist Shithole
Haiti= Failed Shithole
Sao Tome/Barbados/Etc....= Poor as fuck shitholes
Jamaica= Failed Democracy turned Shithole
Cuba= Semblance of Sanity

But of course, anything that doesn't concede to your Capitalist opinion is flawed or illogical. Hence, I'm going to allow you to go harass some other SOB before I lose my patience.

Cuba is the only one of those which locks up political prisoners.

That's what you hear on the T.V. Again, speak with the people. My sports coach makes fun of Castro constantly, and I have yet to see him jailed.

[Orwellian Huxly]

Some have said here that the US is the biggest giver of charity in the world, yet other facts should be taken into consideration. Such as which country has the highest rate of giving as a percentage of GDP? That is a much more telling statistic. The answer is not the US btw.

[Sailsia]

All the uber-capitalists rag on Cuba, yet despite the US constantly trying to fuck with it, the Cubans have managed to create a nation that is a better place to live than pretty much every other island nation in the Caribbean, sans most of the European dependencies. Just because Cuba isn't rivaling the US in every fucking sector does not mean they are a shit hole, and they are thousands of times better than the market-oriented, actual shit holes that abound in the region.

Castro didn't create anything, Brandenburg-Altmark, it already had the highest level of development and economic well-being of the entire Carribean under Batista. Castro can at best be said to have failed to screw over an already highly developed nation and at worst has taken a Cuba well on it's way to first world status and driven it right back to poverty.

At this time we still don't know the extent of Cuban poverty and the ugliness of the true Cuba, we only see the painted resort towns and see the doctored government statistics, this is Pre-Glasnost Russia on an island. I think when the truth is revealed, there won't being any defending Castro, except by the same mad men who defend men like Stalin and Lenin.

I don't feel like refuting the validity of your claim that Batista developed Cuba more than Castro. I will however, say this:

Human Rights.

Batista arguably was worse to the Cubans than Castro.

[Sibirsky]

So it's better than almost none of them?

Cuba is better than Haiti. That's about it.

HAHA fucking no. Being active in the Hispanic community tends to lend you the perspectives of people who live South of the U.S.

Dominican Republic= Capitalist Shithole
Haiti= Failed Shithole
Sao Tome/Barbados/Etc....= Poor as fuck shitholes
Jamaica= Failed Democracy turned Shithole
Cuba= Semblance of Sanity

But of course, anything that doesn't concede to your Capitalist opinion is flawed or illogical. Hence, I'm going to allow you to go harass some other SOB before I lose my patience.

Barbados has a standard of living 3 times higher than Cuba's.

Nothing sane about Cuba. At all.

[Orwellian Huxly]

HAHA fucking no. Being active in the Hispanic community tends to lend you the perspectives of people who live South of the U.S.

Dominican Republic= Capitalist Shithole
Haiti= Failed Shithole
Sao Tome/Barbados/Etc....= Poor as fuck shitholes
Jamaica= Failed Democracy turned Shithole
Cuba= Semblance of Sanity

But of course, anything that doesn't concede to your Capitalist opinion is flawed or illogical. Hence, I'm going to allow you to go harass some other SOB before I lose my patience.

Cuba is the only one of those which locks up political prisoners.

Even the US has political prisoners.

[Democratic Koyro]

HAHA fucking no. Being active in the Hispanic community tends to lend you the perspectives of people who live South of the U.S.

Dominican Republic= Capitalist Shithole
Haiti= Failed Shithole
Sao Tome/Barbados/Etc....= Poor as fuck shitholes
Jamaica= Failed Democracy turned Shithole
Cuba= Semblance of Sanity

But of course, anything that doesn't concede to your Capitalist opinion is flawed or illogical. Hence, I'm going to allow you to go harass some other SOB before I lose my patience.

Cuba is the only one of those which locks up political prisoners.

im not sure why thats even an issue, Sensible in my opinion. The U.S. had political prisoners during the Macarthyist era, people were arrested simply for being a Socialist or Communist, or being seen talking to a Communist.

[Sailsia]

So it's better than almost none of them?

Cuba is better than Haiti. That's about it.

HAHA fucking no. Being active in the Hispanic community tends to lend you the perspectives of people who live South of the U.S.

Dominican Republic= Capitalist Shithole
Haiti= Failed Shithole
Sao Tome/Barbados/Etc....= Poor as fuck shitholes
Jamaica= Failed Democracy turned Shithole
Cuba= Semblance of Sanity

But of course, anything that doesn't concede to your Capitalist opinion is flawed or illogical. Hence, I'm going to allow you to go harass some other SOB before I lose my patience.

This is pretty much where I'm at right now too.

This song should make everyone feel a little better though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU

[Sibirsky]

Cuba is the only one of those which locks up political prisoners.

That's what you hear on the T.V. Again, speak with the people. My sports coach makes fun of Castro constantly, and I have yet to see him jailed.

That's what we hear from Cubans that escape the regime.

[Sibirsky]

Some have said here that the US is the biggest giver of charity in the world, yet other facts should be taken into consideration. Such as which country has the highest rate of giving as a percentage of GDP? That is a much more telling statistic. The answer is not the US btw.

Yes it is. That was the statistic used.

[Valtieres]

HAHA fucking no. Being active in the Hispanic community tends to lend you the perspectives of people who live South of the U.S.

Dominican Republic= Capitalist Shithole
Haiti= Failed Shithole
Sao Tome/Barbados/Etc....= Poor as fuck shitholes
Jamaica= Failed Democracy turned Shithole
Cuba= Semblance of Sanity

But of course, anything that doesn't concede to your Capitalist opinion is flawed or illogical. Hence, I'm going to allow you to go harass some other SOB before I lose my patience.

Barbados has a standard of living 3 times higher than Cuba's.

Nothing sane about Cuba. At all.

Ignore Cannon.

[Lerro]

Cuba is the only one of those which locks up political prisoners.

That's what you hear on the T.V. Again, speak with the people. My sports coach makes fun of Castro constantly, and I have yet to see him jailed.

Is your sports coach in Cuba? How would the Cuban government find him out, anyway?

[Lerro]

Cuba is the only one of those which locks up political prisoners.

im not sure why thats even an issue, Sensible in my opinion. The U.S. had political prisoners during the Macarthyist era, people were arrested simply for being a Socialist or Communist, or being seen talking to a Communist.

No, they weren't. No one was put in jail unless they were a spy. That happened under Wilson, but I'm not going to defend him.

[Valtieres]

That's what you hear on the T.V. Again, speak with the people. My sports coach makes fun of Castro constantly, and I have yet to see him jailed.

Is your sports coach in Cuba? How would the Cuban government find him out, anyway?

He is. Of course, you love hypocrisy, don't you?

Ignored.

[Lerro]

Cuba is the only one of those which locks up political prisoners.

Even the US has political prisoners.

Is that what they're calling terrorists now?

[The Merchant Republics]

The embargo was a bad move. It was politically necessary at the time because American business interests would have been in a riot if they hadn't, but it should never have lasted this long, it has allowed Cuba the justification to abuse it's people and stabilized and enriched the Cuban political elites and probably is the primary reason Cuba hasn't fallen.

So you admit that there is a point where capitalist businessmen can effect the decisions a country makes, and they can have negative effects? Shocker.

Of course. Big business can collude with the government and vice-versa to the detriment of it's citizen, I think you'll be hard pressed to find people who think otherwise. It's much the same with labour too, though I won't get into that.

Big business does things to people's detriment all the time, capitalism as a whole improves a nation, but government collusion with big business can still be very negative. It's one of the reasons Chile's free market approach was not as successful as Hong Kong's while Hong Kong's government generally refrained from any interference with the market, Allende's Chile frequently colluded with big business players to the overall detriment of the working class. Of course, when Allende was removed from power, the free market was left much intact which is why Chile is one of the Richest nations in Latin America today. Without big government, big business is relatively harmless, but together they are a toxic mix.

[Sailsia]

HAHA fucking no. Being active in the Hispanic community tends to lend you the perspectives of people who live South of the U.S.

Dominican Republic= Capitalist Shithole
Haiti= Failed Shithole
Sao Tome/Barbados/Etc....= Poor as fuck shitholes
Jamaica= Failed Democracy turned Shithole
Cuba= Semblance of Sanity

But of course, anything that doesn't concede to your Capitalist opinion is flawed or illogical. Hence, I'm going to allow you to go harass some other SOB before I lose my patience.

Barbados has a standard of living 3 times higher than Cuba's.

Nothing sane about Cuba. At all.

I'm sorry, but I HAVE to respond to this:

So, when Cuba sent aids sufferers to isolated communities which were upper-middle class resorts, pretty much, so that they wouldn't infect the population, that was insane? I actually think it was brilliant. It was designed so that others who had aids would WANT to come forward, and be taken out of the general population. It actually had several positive benefits. And it was sound logic.

[Sibirsky]

That's what you call intellectual debate.

[Goldsaver]

-snip-

He stated a fact followed by an opinion. Do you not like how reality is?

[Lerro]

Is your sports coach in Cuba? How would the Cuban government find him out, anyway?

He is. Of course, you love hypocrisy, don't you?

Ignored.

"making fun" of a dictator is one thing. Being a political foe is another.

"Oh wait, my coach is also leader of the Underground Anti-Castro League!"

[Democratic Koyro]

im not sure why thats even an issue, Sensible in my opinion. The U.S. had political prisoners during the Macarthyist era, people were arrested simply for being a Socialist or Communist, or being seen talking to a Communist.

No, they weren't. No one was put in jail unless they were a spy. That happened under Wilson, but I'm not going to defend him.

Yes, they were, 12'000 people lost thier jobs because of Macarthyism and the red scare, Meetings at CPUSA rallies were raided and members arrested. If you think people weren't arrested for political views in America during the Macarthyist era, then your either ignoring facts, brainwashed or being plain silly. Now thats nowhere near the skyrocketingly high number of political prisoners the USSR and thier allies had, but people were still arrested for political views.

[Valtieres]

-snip-

He stated a fact followed by an opinion. Do you not like how reality is?

Reality? Reality is listening to other immigrants speak about the near psychotic wage-slavery they suffer in Sibirksy's magical Capitalist wonderland.

[Sailsia]

Even the US has political prisoners.

Is that what they're calling terrorists now?

...and Bradly Manning. But again, that is for a different thread, isn't it?

[Valtieres]

That's what you call intellectual debate Bullshitting.

[Sibirsky]

He stated a fact followed by an opinion. Do you not like how reality is?

Reality? Reality is listening to other immigrants speak about the near psychotic wage-slavery they suffer in Sibirksy's magical Capitalist wonderland.

Now they're immigrants? Your story is changing every time you post.