If Arizona were to secede from the United States ..

[Keronians]

There are some fantastic shopping malls north of Phoenix. These should suffice.

Napalm. That is all.

You can't really do that. You're trying to free US citizens in Arizona as well. Killing them isn't the best way of freeing them.

It also worked pretty well in Vietnam. Oh wait...

[Unilisia]

And then it is reabsorbed, and the situation is remembered as a blemish on the history of Arizona.

Yeah, kind of like India is still a British colony.

Except it isn't.

[Wamitoria]

Still, Arizona has less places to hide than most nations on earth. Not to mention the prospect of an populace unwilling to fight for secession.

Shit would hit the fan if the US started taking hostages...

The terrain, in most areas, is actually fairly mountainous and rocky. More oppurtunities than anywhere on the Plains.

However, there aren't any caves to hide in that I'm aware of.

And yes, the plains would be difficult. There's nothing here but cornfields and trees.

[Wamitoria]

Napalm. That is all.

You can't really do that. You're trying to free US citizens in Arizona as well. Killing them isn't the best way of freeing them.

It also worked pretty well in Vietnam. Oh wait...

So, the military is holding up in shopping malls, and they're using human shields?

Way to stay popular with the locals.

[Potarius]

The terrain, in most areas, is actually fairly mountainous and rocky. More oppurtunities than anywhere on the Plains.

However, there aren't any caves to hide in that I'm aware of.

And yes, the plains would be difficult. There's nothing here but cornfields and trees.

The region near Tombstone would be a great place for hiding. Mountains everywhere.

[Wamitoria]

However, there aren't any caves to hide in that I'm aware of.

And yes, the plains would be difficult. There's nothing here but cornfields and trees.

The region near Tombstone would be a great place for hiding. Mountains everywhere.

I suppose. But US drone strikes could probably handle that.

[Keronians]

Yeah, kind of like India is still a British colony.

Except it isn't.

I think that was his point.

[Potarius]

The region near Tombstone would be a great place for hiding. Mountains everywhere.

I suppose. But US drone strikes could probably handle that.

Or a neutron bomb.

[The Evil Reich]

Who says that can only be done by military force?

Again, nobody. But the fact that it's EXTREMELY unlikely they'll try and go Gandhi on us, it's pretty much assumable.

They're not that close to seceding right now, so I was figuring on a scenario where the secessionist movement grows over the next several years, and there is time for it to evolve. I agree that violent secession is more likely given what I know of the local culture in Arizona, but I don't see how it's a forgone conclusion.

[Wamitoria]

I suppose. But US drone strikes could probably handle that.

Or a neutron bomb.

If only.

[The Evil Reich]

Who says that can only be done by military force?

Thinks of Gandhi.

But yeah, a Gandhi's not so useful when the government attacks. So, how could they defend their independence?

Do you mean "How could they defend their independence as a general thing?" or "How could they defend their independence without putting themselves in harms way?" The answer to the first question is, "The same way the Indians did it." The answer to the second is, "They can't."

[Keronians]

Thinks of Gandhi.

But yeah, a Gandhi's not so useful when the government attacks. So, how could they defend their independence?

Do you mean "How could they defend their independence as a general thing?" or "How could they defend their independence without putting themselves in harms way?" The answer to the first question is, "The same way the Indians did it." The answer to the second is, "They can't."

Yeah, our movement really rocked, except for a few guys...

And yeah, I meant the second.

[The Evil Reich]

Yeah, kind of like India is still a British colony.

Except it isn't.

That was my point.

[Unilisia]

Except it isn't.

That was my point.

Arizona does not have a chance of independence.

[The Evil Reich]

That was my point.

Arizona does not have a chance of independence.

If you wrote it then it must be true.

[Unilisia]

Arizona does not have a chance of independence.

If you wrote it then it must be true.

Unless the United States government willingly states that it is now independent, it is not. If the people of Arizona declare their secession, they will be free on paper, nothing more.

[Potarius]

That was my point.

Arizona does not have a chance of independence.

I'm siding with this.

If Arizona is fucking stupid enough to attempt secession, watch it get blown to shit by the rest of the US armed forces.

[Unilisia]

Arizona does not have a chance of independence.

I'm siding with this.

If Arizona is fucking stupid enough to attempt secession, watch it get blown to shit by the rest of the US armed forces.

Finally, someone with common sense...

[Potarius]

I'm siding with this.

If Arizona is fucking stupid enough to attempt secession, watch it get blown to shit by the rest of the US armed forces.

Finally, someone with common sense...

If it's an entire confederacy of states seceding at once, that's a different story. That's another civil war.

But this bullshit about one state seceding and somehow having the power to "overcome" is just that: bullshit. And no, it doesn't make your proverbial dick look bigger. Quite the contrary.

[GeneralHaNor]

The whole state's one big flat stretch of desert. Not that many places to hide.

There are some fantastic shopping malls north of Phoenix. These should suffice.

There are all sorts of cliffs, the Sierra Nevadas, and also plenty of Urban centres, and if Iraq taught us anything, is that urban centers are an insurgents bread and butter..

Picture Phoenix, now Picture Baghdad, now picture Phoenix again.

[Unilisia]

There are some fantastic shopping malls north of Phoenix. These should suffice.

There are all sorts of cliffs, the Sierra Nevadas, and also plenty of Urban centres, and if Iraq taught us anything, is that urban centers are an insurgents bread and butter..

Picture Phoenix, now Picture Baghdad, now picture Phoenix again.

Now picture the United States declaring residents of Arizona enemies of the state, and then picture a Reaper drone dropping thermobarics.

[GeneralHaNor]

There are all sorts of cliffs, the Sierra Nevadas, and also plenty of Urban centres, and if Iraq taught us anything, is that urban centers are an insurgents bread and butter..

Picture Phoenix, now Picture Baghdad, now picture Phoenix again.

Now picture the United States declaring residents of Arizona enemies of the state, and then picture a Reaper drone dropping thermobarics.

there are rules that the united states must play by, and if that shit didn't fly or work in Iraq, it wouldn't work in Arizona

A well armed local populace always holds the homefield advantage, Arizona patriots will see to it, that it is a long and bloody occupation.

[Unilisia]

Now picture the United States declaring residents of Arizona enemies of the state, and then picture a Reaper drone dropping thermobarics.

there are rules that the united states must play by, and if that shit didn't fly or work in Iraq, it wouldn't work in Arizona

A well armed local populace always holds the homefield advantage, Arizona patriots will see to it, that it is a long and bloody occupation.

Highly doubtful.

[Potarius]

Now picture the United States declaring residents of Arizona enemies of the state, and then picture a Reaper drone dropping thermobarics.

there are rules that the united states must play by, and if that shit didn't fly or work in Iraq, it wouldn't work in Arizona

A well armed local populace always holds the homefield advantage, Arizona patriots will see to it, that it is a long and bloody occupation.

Arizona also has a much smaller population than Iraq, and I'm sure a lot of the more intelligent population will flee the second the state of Arizona announces plans to secede.

[Celis]

Then the United States uses giant Fuel-Air bombs to blow up Phoenix. >:1