If Arizona were to secede from the United States ..

[Galla-]

Lol@ Democrats and socialist in the same sentence. You're kidding right?

There is democratic-socialism.

Democrats aren't socialist, they're corporatist. They've given corporations the biggest bailout and the lowest taxes in American history.

Corporations are not a part of the free market, just F-Y-I.

[GeneralHaNor]

Somehow I don't feel frightened enough to obey the law blindly

I choose right and wrong, if the law agrees, good for them, if it doesn't, than fuck the state.

I laughed when I read this. If you break the law and get caught you get owned by the law enforcement. If Arizona seceded from the US it would get owned by the Armed forces. Enough said. lol

Might makes right, I know what you believe, and am now free to ignore you.

[Celis]

Sadly might does make right. It's been that way since the beginning.. And even though there are those of us who wish that wasn't true.. It is a reality we all have to deal with. The individual generally has to deal with what the majority wants. Sad.. but true.

[GeneralHaNor]

Sadly might does make right. It's been that way since the beginning.. And even though there are those of us who wish that wasn't true.. It is a reality we all have to deal with. The individual generally has to deal with what the majority wants. Sad.. but true.

Bull, it's obvious you support it, it's obvious that if the United States were to crush Arizona for exercising self-determination in governance, you would support that as well.

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem

[Celis]

I think the will of the majority should be over the will of the minority. If there are more people who want something and less people that want something else it's obvious who should get what they want in a DEMOCRACY!

[GeneralHaNor]

I think the will of the majority should be over the will of the minority. If there are more people who want something and less people that want something else it's obvious who should get what they want in a DEMOCRACY!

And if the Majority of Arizonians wanted to live independently of the Union, would you support democracy than?

I doubt it.

[Celis]

The majority of AMERICA the country that ARIZONA belongs to wants to keep Arizona.. Then I support Democracy.

And if the Majority of Arizonians wanted to live independently of the Union, would you support democracy than?

I doubt it.

This would be suggesting that Arizona is a separate entity and would therefor not be part of the Union. Stuff like this has happened before. Like the civil war? We have all read how well that worked out.

[GeneralHaNor]

The majority of AMERICA the country that ARIZONA belongs to wants to keep Arizona.. Then I support Democracy.

And if the Majority of Arizonians wanted to live independently of the Union, would you support democracy than?

I doubt it.

This would be suggesting that Arizona is a separate entity and would therefor not be part of the Union. Stuff like this has happened before. Like the civil war? We have all read how well that worked out.

It is a separate entity, reading the 10th and 14th amendments.
Residents of Arizona are Citizens of both their state and their nation.

Yes we know how that war turned that, that war was wrong.

[Celis]

Oh so stopping the fraction of the Union and putting an end to slavery was wrong? The Confederacy was weak. And it was crushed for the betterment of the Union.

[Unilisia]

Oh so stopping the fraction of the Union and putting an end to slavery was wrong? The Confederacy was weak. And it was crushed for the betterment of the Union.

It was recognized as unlawful rebellion and the Union set about massacring Southern soldiers and citizens until Lincoln came up with the idea to emancipate the slaves, to save his ass for re-election.

[Sucrati]

Oh so stopping the fraction of the Union and putting an end to slavery was wrong? The Confederacy was weak. And it was crushed for the betterment of the Union.

It was recognized as unlawful rebellion and the Union set about massacring Southern soldiers and citizens until Lincoln came up with the idea to emancipate the slaves, to save his ass for re-election.

The Confederates shot first, if they had peacefully seceded, then maybe there wouldn't have been war, but NOOOO they had to bombard Fort Sumter

[Farnhamia]

It was recognized as unlawful rebellion and the Union set about massacring Southern soldiers and citizens until Lincoln came up with the idea to emancipate the slaves, to save his ass for re-election.

The Confederates shot first, if they had peacefully seceded, then maybe there wouldn't have been war, but NOOOO they had to bombard Fort Sumter

Pretty much. As ASB posted in the "150th Anniversary of the Civil War" thread, a bit of patience would have given the South a very good chance of capturing the entire country and spreading slavery throughout it. You can look it up.

[Ashmoria]

I'd like to point out an amzing and unignorable fact: Arizona gets most of its water from other states like Colorado. Shut off their water and wait. They'll come crawling back.

dont be sillly

the colorado river runs through arizona. they would make an international water compact to claim their share of that water the same as mexico has an international water compact to get its share of the rio grande water. it would probably be the same amount as they are allowed by interstate compacts now.

[Celis]

Arizona is surrounded my other US States and shares a border with Mexico. How would it trade with other countries/states? Lol It would be economically starved. Especially since Mexico wouldn't dare open up trade with Arizona least it bring about the anger of the US.

[Keronians]

Arizona is surrounded my other US States and shares a border with Mexico. How would it trade with other countries/states? Lol It would be economically starved. Especially since Mexico wouldn't dare open up trade with Arizona least it bring about the anger of the US.

The drug lords probably wouldn't mind. And in that case, it's quite possible that Arizona would receive food aid from other countries. *Reads again* Meh. If that's what the Arizonans want.

[Labno]

Arizona is surrounded my other US States and shares a border with Mexico. How would it trade with other countries/states? Lol It would be economically starved. Especially since Mexico wouldn't dare open up trade with Arizona least it bring about the anger of the US.

Exactly!

[Celis]

Arizona is surrounded my other US States and shares a border with Mexico. How would it trade with other countries/states? Lol It would be economically starved. Especially since Mexico wouldn't dare open up trade with Arizona least it bring about the anger of the US.

The drug lords probably wouldn't mind. And in that case, it's quite possible that Arizona would receive food aid from other countries. *Reads again* Meh. If that's what the Arizonans want.

How many other nations would risk pissing the Americans off and the like by trading with Arizona?

[Eisen Reich]

well first we wouldnt let that happen. but if we did then we would lose a lot of old people and that would help social security
after they left, mexico would come back for revenge and reclaim Arizona, bringing the mexicans closer to the rest of america.

Why shouldn't Arizona retirees be able to collect Social Security? There are retirees who live in Costa Rica, Mexico, and Nicaragua, who receive their checks. The fact that they live abroad doesn't change the fact that they paid into the system and are entitled to receive benefits.
And militarily, Mexico isn't very formidable. Arizona would be able to repel any invasion, not that they'd attempt it. We'd be more valuable as a trading partner than as an occupied territory.

First off let me say NO. if they succeded then they are not american citizens and therfore dont get social security. secondly. the mexican army could take on Arizona ok. they are a bunch of old people and Mexicans. they couldnt take an army of mexicans. and what do they have that we would trade with them for. sand? cactuses? arthritis?

[Celis]

The Mexican Army could easily capture Arizona as a lone entity.

[Labno]

The Mexican Army could easily capture Arizona as a lone entity.

That's what I have been saying but people keep on saying no and . . . [rant]

[Maryginia]

Arizona is increasingly becoming highly sustainable in terms of security, and it's legislative government fails to recognize most of the clauses of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I predict that Arizona will threaten secession within 20 years, if not, 15.

NSG, what do you think would result if Arizona were to secede from the United States of America?

I'd be happy because then maybe just maybe they'd stop passing these bills you have no idea what its like living less than 45 minutes from the state capital.

[Free Soviets]

The majority of AMERICA the country that ARIZONA belongs to wants to keep Arizona.. Then I support Democracy.

see, now that is literal tyranny by majority

[Free Soviets]

Arizona is surrounded my other US States and shares a border with Mexico. How would it trade with other countries/states? Lol It would be economically starved. Especially since Mexico wouldn't dare open up trade with Arizona least it bring about the anger of the US.

why do all of these fantasy always involve the US in the role of evil empire of doom? shouldn't that be the view taken by the secessionists, not the US cheerleading squad?

[Maryginia]

Oh so stopping the fraction of the Union and putting an end to slavery was wrong? The Confederacy was weak. And it was crushed for the betterment of the Union.

It was recognized as unlawful rebellion and the Union set about massacring Southern soldiers and citizens until Lincoln came up with the idea to emancipate the slaves, to save his ass for re-election.

heh the union still did that after lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation, the man was a tyrant.

[The Corparation]

I'd like to point out an amzing and unignorable fact: Arizona gets most of its water from other states like Colorado. Shut off their water and wait. They'll come crawling back.

dont be sillly

the colorado river runs through arizona. they would make an international water compact to claim their share of that water the same as mexico has an international water compact to get its share of the rio grande water. it would probably be the same amount as they are allowed by interstate compacts now.

Theirs damns farther up stream. They could shut it down to a trickle. Then a few well placed bombs where they draw their water out and bam! no more water.