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Postby Winning Tiger Blood » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:44 am

UCUMAY wrote:
Winning Tiger Blood wrote:But it's rare, especially if used properly, and the pills now are more effective than older forms

Implants and IUDs better yet.

IUDs are really great for preventing pregnancy when they punch through your uterine wall and make you sterile for life

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Postby UCUMAY » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:46 am

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UCUMAY wrote:Implants and IUDs better yet.

IUDs are really great for preventing pregnancy when they punch through your uterine wall and make you sterile for life

That doesn't happen very often anymore.... More likely you get PID.
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Postby Dempublicents1 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:54 pm

Darkshadowskyguy wrote:Well I felt like making some feminists angry, and make a topic that probably hasn't been used here before. Do you think a man shouldn't have to pay child support if the woman tells him that she's not going to have an abortion, and he wanted her to have one? Since logically the woman chose to keep the child, and should have to have the responsibility and the male not have to.I do think in all other circumstances the man should have to pay child support though.


If you read between the lines here, what you're saying is, "I think a man should only have to pay child support if he wants to."

I disagree. If men are going to have parental rights, they have to have parental responsibilities as well. If we are going to go the route of saying that women make the last choice and are thus the only ones who should necessarily have responsibility regarding their children, they should also be the only ones with any parental rights. Under those circumstances, a man would only have any connection to his child if the woman decided to allow it.
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Postby Bitchkitten » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:47 pm

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UCUMAY wrote:*blinks* they do make them with different materials and unlubricated... That takes care of most allergies.

Its not allergies to the materials... I could deal with that. Its more complicated :(

Yeah, my sister uses the excuse for her three kids that she can't use any birth control. She says the pill makes her depressed and she has a latex allergy. Now please tell me why a woman who manages a 24 hour porn store doesn't know about lambskin condoms. And she says she's allergic to spermicide too. Even some barrier method with no spermicide has got to give better results than what she's doing. Or not doing.

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Postby UCUMAY » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:53 pm

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SaintB wrote:Its not allergies to the materials... I could deal with that. Its more complicated :(

Yeah, my sister uses the excuse for her three kids that she can't use any birth control. She says the pill makes her depressed and she has a latex allergy. Now please tell me why a woman who manages a 24 hour porn store doesn't know about lambskin condoms. And she says she's allergic to spermicide too. Even some barrier method with no spermicide has got to give better results than what she's doing. Or not doing.

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Postby SaintB » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:11 pm

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SaintB wrote:Its not allergies to the materials... I could deal with that. Its more complicated :(

Yeah, my sister uses the excuse for her three kids that she can't use any birth control. She says the pill makes her depressed and she has a latex allergy. Now please tell me why a woman who manages a 24 hour porn store doesn't know about lambskin condoms. And she says she's allergic to spermicide too. Even some barrier method with no spermicide has got to give better results than what she's doing. Or not doing.

I want a damn manpill.. I'd get surgery but I want kids maybe possibly someday.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:12 pm

SaintB wrote:
Bitchkitten wrote:Yeah, my sister uses the excuse for her three kids that she can't use any birth control. She says the pill makes her depressed and she has a latex allergy. Now please tell me why a woman who manages a 24 hour porn store doesn't know about lambskin condoms. And she says she's allergic to spermicide too. Even some barrier method with no spermicide has got to give better results than what she's doing. Or not doing.

I want a damn manpill.. I'd get surgery but I want kids maybe possibly someday.

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Postby Natapoc » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:13 pm

This of course has been said before. The answer: The male's choice is ejaculation.
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Postby Myrensis » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:15 pm

I think as long as Abortion is legal men should not be required to pay child support, provided they sign some sort of waiver surrendering all parental rights.

It's of interest to me that a man who doesn't want to pay for a child he didn't want for 18 years is a deadbeat and a loser, but a woman who opts to kill an unwanted child is exercising her beautiful god given right as a woman.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:17 pm

Myrensis wrote:I think as long as Abortion is legal men should not be required to pay child support, provided they sign some sort of waiver surrendering all parental rights.

It's of interest to me that a man who doesn't want to pay for a child he didn't want for 18 years is a deadbeat and a loser, but a woman who opts to kill an unwanted child is exercising her beautiful god given right as a woman.


A woman cannot kill an unwanted child. A woman can kill an unwanted fetus.

And the right is all but god given (if we have to go by what many believers in god say) :p
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Postby Cameroi » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:19 pm

males who get pregnant should have the option of having an abortion.

NOT those who don't, on who ELSE does.

no one has any business telling telling someone else that they should or should not.

and i still say, 9 out of 10 fetuses would rather be aborted then be born unwanted.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:20 pm

Cameroi wrote:males who get pregnant should have the option of having an abortion.

NOT those who don't, on who ELSE does.

no one has any business telling telling someone else that they should or should not.

and i still say, 9 out of 10 fetuses would rather be aborted then be born unwanted.


Did you poll those fetuses on their opinion?
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Postby Myrensis » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:22 pm

Cameroi wrote:and i still say, 9 out of 10 fetuses would rather be aborted then be born unwanted.


You should totally go into child counselling and recommend children from broken homes commit suicide. Death is the preferable option right? Just because their parents were too selfish to do it earlier doesn't mean they should have to suffer now.

The Blaatschapen wrote:Did you poll those fetuses on their opinion?


What was that quote, "I notice everybody who is for abortion has all ready been born." ?
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Postby Ryadn » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:25 pm

Yeah, that idea hasn't been posted here... in probably a good week or so.

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Postby Cameroi » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:18 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Cameroi wrote:and i still say, 9 out of 10 fetuses would rather be aborted then be born unwanted.


You should totally go into child counselling and recommend children from broken homes commit suicide. Death is the preferable option right? Just because their parents were too selfish to do it earlier doesn't mean they should have to suffer now.

The Blaatschapen wrote:Did you poll those fetuses on their opinion?


What was that quote, "I notice everybody who is for abortion has all ready been born." ?

i notice everyone who's against it has already been born.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:20 pm

Cameroi wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
You should totally go into child counselling and recommend children from broken homes commit suicide. Death is the preferable option right? Just because their parents were too selfish to do it earlier doesn't mean they should have to suffer now.



What was that quote, "I notice everybody who is for abortion has all ready been born." ?

i notice everyone who's against it has already been born.


Hey, it's not my fault. It's not like I had any choice in the matter :meh:
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Postby Seperates » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:31 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Cameroi wrote:and i still say, 9 out of 10 fetuses would rather be aborted then be born unwanted.


You should totally go into child counselling and recommend children from broken homes commit suicide. Death is the preferable option right? Just because their parents were too selfish to do it earlier doesn't mean they should have to suffer now.

The Blaatschapen wrote:Did you poll those fetuses on their opinion?


What was that quote, "I notice everybody who is for abortion has all ready been born." ?

Yeah, because my parents wanted me. I've seen the misery of those unwanted children, who, if things don't get better, will probebly attempt suicide before they at the age they can contribute anything to the world community... We might as we save them that pain and suffering, if all it will amount to is just a larger, just as dead, just as unfufilled, just as pointless, body.
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Postby Meowfoundland » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:05 pm

Seperates wrote:Yeah, because my parents wanted me. I've seen the misery of those unwanted children, who, if things don't get better, will probebly attempt suicide before they at the age they can contribute anything to the world community... We might as we save them that pain and suffering, if all it will amount to is just a larger, just as dead, just as unfufilled, just as pointless, body.


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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:08 pm

I believe in equality for men. Pregnant men should have no more limitations on their access to abortion than pregnant women face. Both should face no limitations whatsoever on their access to these services.
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Postby Maurepas » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:14 pm

make a topic that probably hasn't been used here before.

Gonna have to really try harder than that then. Your problem is a biological one, not a rights one. You have every right to decide to abort your part in the reproductive process.

It just so happens that the male reproductive process is pretty short, it's commonly known as "pulling out".

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:17 pm

Maurepas wrote:
make a topic that probably hasn't been used here before.

Gonna have to really try harder than that then. Your problem is a biological one, not a rights one. You have every right to decide to abort your part in the reproductive process.

It just so happens that the male reproductive process is pretty short, it's commonly known as "pulling out".


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Postby UnitedStatesOfAmerica- » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:40 pm

When it's time to the play the game you gotta be ready to pay for play.
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If you don't want to pay for the consequences then don't play the darn game. Keep it in your pants pocket.
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Postby The Congregationists » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:41 pm

Maurepas wrote:Gonna have to really try harder than that then. Your problem is a biological one, not a rights one. You have every right to decide to abort your part in the reproductive process.

It just so happens that the male reproductive process is pretty short, it's commonly known as "pulling out".


One could just as easily use these arguments against abortion rights.

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Postby Grainne Ni Malley » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:44 pm

Darkshadowskyguy wrote:Well I felt like making some feminists angry, and make a topic that probably hasn't been used here before. Do you think a man shouldn't have to pay child support if the woman tells him that she's not going to have an abortion, and he wanted her to have one? Since logically the woman chose to keep the child, and should have to have the responsibility and the male not have to.I do think in all other circumstances the man should have to pay child support though.


Unless it's a breaking news topic, you will have a very difficult time posting a topic that hasn't already been done. As for men having a say in abortion/child support, it's quite simple really. Wear a condom or get a vasectomy, and if all that fails... tough luck.
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Postby Maurepas » Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:44 pm

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Maurepas wrote:Gonna have to really try harder than that then. Your problem is a biological one, not a rights one. You have every right to decide to abort your part in the reproductive process.

It just so happens that the male reproductive process is pretty short, it's commonly known as "pulling out".


One could just as easily use these arguments against abortion rights.

"Rights" of all kinds are arbitrary social constructs, not things arising in nature or divinely ordained.

Not really. Biologically speaking, the Female reproductive process lasts around 9 Months. Anytime between conception and the end of that 9 Months she has the option of having an abortion(legally or otherwise, this option is there). Males have that same option through their time in the reproductive process.

Normally, you're right, rights don't necessarily arise in nature. In this instance, however, it's biological in nature.

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