male's choice in abortion

[Farnhamia]

If I understand him, he's saying that if the woman gets pregnant and wants to keep the child, but the man doesn't and would rather she had an abortion, he should be allowed a free pass on child support and what-not.

whats that have to do with adoption?

Uhm ... Okay, adoption is an alternative to abortion. Basically, if the man says he doesn't want anything to do with the kid, that should be his right.

[Darkshadowskyguy]

what in the world are you proposing?

forcing women to have babies that no one wants? letting men walk away from their children? giving men a say in whether or not a woman can have an abortion at all?

If I understand him, he's saying that if the woman gets pregnant and wants to keep the child, but the man doesn't and would rather she had an abortion, he should be allowed a free pass on child support and what-not.

Initially anyway I'm going to go away from the computer for awhile so feel free to talk about this subject while I'm gone.

[Farnhamia]

If I understand him, he's saying that if the woman gets pregnant and wants to keep the child, but the man doesn't and would rather she had an abortion, he should be allowed a free pass on child support and what-not.

Initially anyway I'm going to go away from the computer for awhile so feel free to talk about this subject while I'm gone.

Gosh, thanks!

[The Blaatschapen]

whats that have to do with adoption?

Uhm ... Okay, adoption is an alternative to abortion. Basically, if the man says he doesn't want anything to do with the kid, that should be his right.

Would not wanting anything to do with the child include the right to refuse to pay child support?

[Bitchkitten]

If you don't want a kid use a condom or get a vasectomy, or don't have sex at all, if you make the choice to have sex, live with the potential of at least 18 years of crying, screaming, barfing misery.

How Biblical of you. Sex should carry enormous risk for those sinful enough to engage in it.

[Ashmoria]

what in the world are you proposing?

forcing women to have babies that no one wants? letting men walk away from their children? giving men a say in whether or not a woman can have an abortion at all?

Where had I proposed that woman should be forced to have babies? More or less what I had proposed was the man to have the right to not pay child support if the woman decides to have the child when the male wanted her to have an abortion. No where did I say she would be legally required to have the abortion or not if the man said so I had however said the male should have the right to not be forced to pay child support, however of course if the man wants to be a part of the child's life he should be allowed to try to get joint custody with the woman. (or if one of the parents proves not to be fit for it they are out of the question to have custody) There are a few options I have not said on this topic yet.

i was asking because you are not a particularly clear writer.

it makes no social sense to let men walk away from their children. they should have to support all their children whether they wanted them or not. just like the mother has to.

or if they both wish to give the child up for adoption it is their moral and legal duty to make sure that that is done in a legal manner and provides the child with the best possible future.

[Farnhamia]

Uhm ... Okay, adoption is an alternative to abortion. Basically, if the man says he doesn't want anything to do with the kid, that should be his right.

Would not wanting anything to do with the child include the right to refuse to pay child support?

I'm not sure what the laws are in the individual states, but I believe that if you can prove paternity, you can require the father to pay support.

[Farnhamia]

If you don't want a kid use a condom or get a vasectomy, or don't have sex at all, if you make the choice to have sex, live with the potential of at least 18 years of crying, screaming, barfing misery.

You cried, screamed and barfed for the first 18 years of your life?

[SaintB]

The only choice a man has is the one that the mother gives him. Often times that choice ends at ejaculation.

[The Blaatschapen]

If you don't want a kid use a condom or get a vasectomy, or don't have sex at all, if you make the choice to have sex, live with the potential of at least 18 years of crying, screaming, barfing misery.

You cried, screamed and barfed for the first 18 years of your life?

They never said the years were consecutive. I cried, screamed and barfed the first few. Then I barfed again when I started to discover alcohol and I intend to cry and scream again when I'm getting senile

[Farnhamia]

You cried, screamed and barfed for the first 18 years of your life?

They never said the years were consecutive. I cried, screamed and barfed the first few. Then I barfed again when I started to discover alcohol and I intend to cry and scream again when I'm getting senile

Excellent point.

[UCUMAY]

I'm having deja vu....

[Kongra]

Opting out of child support makes no sense since child support is for the rights of the child, not of the mother. Demanding abortion, on the other hand, also makes no sense as it violates the very right abortion was legalised for in the first place: the right to one's body.

So really the man is stuck with the consequences. The only choice he really has is convincing the mother to either adopt or abort before that baby is born. After that, you have to pay up. Crappy deal? Yes, but it's the most fair deal we can make.

[UCUMAY]

Opting out of child support makes no sense since child support is for the rights of the child, not of the mother. Demanding abortion, on the other hand, also makes no sense as it violates the very right abortion was legalised for in the first place: the right to one's body.

So really the man is stuck with the consequences. The only choice he really has is convincing the mother to either adopt or abort before that baby is born. After that, you have to pay up. Crappy deal? Yes, but it's the most fair deal we can make.

This... Plus women have the shitty end of the stick where birthing and child rearing are concerned.

[Bitchkitten]

The only choice a man has is the one that the mother gives him. Often times that choice ends at ejaculation.

My brother has two kids precisely because he tends to think of birth control as a womans responsibility. If you aren't absolutely positive your partner is using reliable birth control, use a condom guys.

[Winning Tiger Blood]

If you don't want a kid use a condom or get a vasectomy, or don't have sex at all, if you make the choice to have sex, live with the potential of at least 18 years of crying, screaming, barfing misery.

How Biblical of you. Sex should carry enormous risk for those sinful enough to engage in it.

I'm an atheist, friend; but I still use the pill when I'm engaging in sex in a long term monogamous relationship, or condoms when I engage in sex with someone who hasn't earned that trust. It's not biblical, it's responsible. There is a difference.

And for the record, god said be fruitful and multiply, nothing about your responsibility afterwards, or did you forget his condoning of casting Ishmael away to appease Sarah?

[Winning Tiger Blood]

If you don't want a kid use a condom or get a vasectomy, or don't have sex at all, if you make the choice to have sex, live with the potential of at least 18 years of crying, screaming, barfing misery.

You cried, screamed and barfed for the first 18 years of your life?

Teenagers cry and scream a lot, and I totally projectile vomited at 18, which my mom had to clean up, after driving me to emerge

[Bitchkitten]

How Biblical of you. Sex should carry enormous risk for those sinful enough to engage in it.

I'm an atheist, friend; but I still use the pill when I'm engaging in sex in a long term monogamous relationship, or condoms when I engage in sex with someone who hasn't earned that trust. It's not biblical, it's responsible. There is a difference.

And for the record, god said be fruitful and multiply, nothing about your responsibility afterwards, or did you forget his condoning of casting Ishmael away to appease Sarah?

I'm responsible too. Hence I have no kids. But my youngest brother was concieved while my mother was on the pill. It happens.

[Winning Tiger Blood]

I'm an atheist, friend; but I still use the pill when I'm engaging in sex in a long term monogamous relationship, or condoms when I engage in sex with someone who hasn't earned that trust. It's not biblical, it's responsible. There is a difference.

And for the record, god said be fruitful and multiply, nothing about your responsibility afterwards, or did you forget his condoning of casting Ishmael away to appease Sarah?

I'm responsible too. Hence I have no kids. But my youngest brother was concieved while my mother was on the pill. It happens.

But it's rare, especially if used properly, and the pills now are more effective than older forms

[UCUMAY]

I'm responsible too. Hence I have no kids. But my youngest brother was concieved while my mother was on the pill. It happens.

But it's rare, especially if used properly, and the pills now are more effective than older forms

Implants and IUDs better yet.

[Urwumpe]

No. You have the choice to accept the result of your ten minutes of fun, or at least pay for getting out of the responsibility easily. The rest is already 80% the responsibility of the mother, since it is her body that also has to bear the consequences of an abortion that went wrong. If you can convince her that an abortion would be the best, fine for you. if she doesn't think so and prefers to have the child, it is your psychological choice how fine it is for you.

But practically speaking:

If you don't want the risk of children, don't have sex at all.

If you can live with a small risk, follow any contraceptive leaflet to the letter. They can still randomly fail, but not as often as if you use them like a bloody noob.

Alternatively, volunteer cleaning up the mess in Fukushima. 150 mSv radiation at your crown jewels gives you a high chance to be infertile for two weeks.

If risk makes your life worth living, use contraceptives like you drive your car. Always on the limit and forget the manual, that you have seen once. Manuals are for noobs anyway.

[SaintB]

The only choice a man has is the one that the mother gives him. Often times that choice ends at ejaculation.

My brother has two kids precisely because he tends to think of birth control as a womans responsibility. If you aren't absolutely positive your partner is using reliable birth control, use a condom guys.

With all do respect to yourself... your brother is a dumbass.


This is for another discussion but I'm unable to use condoms so I have to rely on my partner to be the one using birth control.

[UCUMAY]

My brother has two kids precisely because he tends to think of birth control as a womans responsibility. If you aren't absolutely positive your partner is using reliable birth control, use a condom guys.

With all do respect to yourself... your brother is a dumbass.


This is for another discussion but I'm unable to use condoms so I have to rely on my partner to be the one using birth control.

*blinks* they do make them with different materials and unlubricated... That takes care of most allergies.

[Bitchkitten]

But it's rare, especially if used properly, and the pills now are more effective than older forms

Implants and IUDs better yet.

I really wanted the Depo-Provera shots when they first came out, but my psychiatrist nixed it. I'm bipolar and the shots can sause severe depression in normal women.

[SaintB]

With all do respect to yourself... your brother is a dumbass.


This is for another discussion but I'm unable to use condoms so I have to rely on my partner to be the one using birth control.

*blinks* they do make them with different materials and unlubricated... That takes care of most allergies.

Its not allergies to the materials... I could deal with that. Its more complicated