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Postby St George of England » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:23 pm

5 things Palestine, imo, must do before independence:
1. Renounce violence. This goes for Fatah/PLO and Hamas.
2. Reinstate Palestine wide elections and abide by the results.
3. Commit to ending rocket attacks by breakaway/rival groups within Gaza/WB against Israel.
4. Produce a viable plan for the formation of an official Palestinian Army, government and diplomatic corps.
5. Return to the negotiating table.

I will add a proviso on No. 3 in that it'd be difficult to do, especially when Israel has a habit of using a lull in the fighting to play off the two sides against each other.

Israel, of course, must commit to ending settlement building within East Jerusalem and the West Bank. It says something about all sides in this conflict that, in 1999, with 42% of WB directly administered by the PLO, talks began between the PLO and Israel on the subject of full administrative powers of the 'occupied' territories being transferred from Israel to the PLO. That was 12 long years ago.
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Postby New Glennland » Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:51 am

Of course. It's long overdue.

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Postby Prismos » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:05 am

St George of England wrote:5 things Palestine, imo, must do before independence:
1. Renounce violence. This goes for Fatah/PLO and Hamas.
2. Reinstate Palestine wide elections and abide by the results.
3. Commit to ending rocket attacks by breakaway/rival groups within Gaza/WB against Israel.
4. Produce a viable plan for the formation of an official Palestinian Army, government and diplomatic corps.
5. Return to the negotiating table.

I will add a proviso on No. 3 in that it'd be difficult to do, especially when Israel has a habit of using a lull in the fighting to play off the two sides against each other.

Israel, of course, must commit to ending settlement building within East Jerusalem and the West Bank. It says something about all sides in this conflict that, in 1999, with 42% of WB directly administered by the PLO, talks began between the PLO and Israel on the subject of full administrative powers of the 'occupied' territories being transferred from Israel to the PLO. That was 12 long years ago.


Israel has been building on a Palestinian State which defies the prospect of a 2 State solution.

America has never been an honest broker in the ME and the Palestinians and Arabs as a whole should stop giving the US the role of a mediator and platform.

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Postby Sovaal » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:10 am

A two state solution ain’t going to work.
E: Also evidently my autocorrect change isn’t to ain’t.
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Postby Mujahidah » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:11 am

Yes. Full stop.
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Postby Mujahidah » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:12 am

Sovaal wrote:A two state solution ain’t going to work.
E: Also evidently my autocorrect change isn’t to ain’t.


Neither is Israel subjugating Palestinians to rule by a self-stated Jewish state.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:13 am

Check those dates, citizens. Seven year old thread.
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Postby Mujahidah » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:13 am

Ifreann wrote:Check those dates, citizens. Seven year old thread.


Jeez. Thats like next level gravedig
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:15 am

palestine is a terrorist state and should be annexed by jordan and egypt and suppressed, like 48-67/88.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:16 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:palestine is a terrorist state and should be annexed by jordan and suppressed

Dude let seven year old threads be. This one was unmercifully risen from the dead.
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Postby Sovaal » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:16 am

Mujahidah wrote:
Sovaal wrote:A two state solution ain’t going to work.
E: Also evidently my autocorrect change isn’t to ain’t.


Neither is Israel subjugating Palestinians to rule by a self-stated Jewish state.

Yah, region’s fucked.
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Postby Mujahidah » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:17 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:palestine is a terrorist state and should be annexed by jordan and egypt and suppressed, like 48-67/88.


What is with you and calling everything you don't like "Terrorist?"
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:18 am

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Postby Prismos » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:24 am

Sovaal wrote:A two state solution ain’t going to work.
E: Also evidently my autocorrect change isn’t to ain’t.



A One State solution won't work for Israel.

Israel's far right even concede in recognizing Palestinian identity is imperative so that they don't absorb a Palestinian population in the event of a One State solution.

Israel is doing itself no favour by paving the way for a One State because you'll have a situation where most Palestinians will live under the State of Israel with different laws which amounts to apartheid. Israel will lose support and the Palestinian issue will turn into a civil rights one which Palestinians will ultimately be victors, meaning Israel will have to absorb Palestinians rendering a Jewish State with a huge Muslim population.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:27 am

OP, the Z day event is on Halloween, not April 12th.

Stop bringing back zombie threads.
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Postby Prismos » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:31 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:OP, the Z day event is on Halloween, not April 12th.

Stop bringing back zombie threads.


It's still a relevant issue, I've just took a few years replying.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:13 am

Prismos wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:OP, the Z day event is on Halloween, not April 12th.

Stop bringing back zombie threads.


It's still a relevant issue, I've just took a few years replying.

It would probably be a better idea to make a new thread, rather than digging it up after 7 years. I mean the stench alone should be a hint not to dig it up...
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:09 am

So what ethical alternatives are there? Israel sure doesn't want to give them citizenship and equal rights and no other country wants to accept them either.
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Postby Nazbolshevia » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:23 pm

I feel that since both Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs are genetically related , and have long standing ties to the land , something like the Engagement Plan might be the best solution http://the-engagement.org/?page_id=16%20. But I also like the approach of the old Ihud party .
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