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Postby Yenke-Bin » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:00 pm

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115 ... t-families
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/ ... ate-homes/



THOUSANDS of the worst families in England are to be put in “sin bins” in a bid to change their bad behaviour, Ed Balls announced yesterday.
The Children’s Secretary set out £400million plans to put 20,000 problem families under 24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes.
They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals.
Private security guards will also be sent round to carry out home checks, while parents will be given help to combat drug and alcohol addiction.

Around 2,000 families have gone through these Family Intervention Projects so far.
But ministers want to target 20,000 more in the next two years, with each costing between £5,000 and £20,000 – a potential total bill of £400million.
Ministers hope the move will reduce the number of youngsters who get drawn into crime because of their chaotic family lives, as portrayed in Channel 4 comedy drama Shameless.

Sin bin projects operate in half of council areas already but Mr Balls wants every local authority to fund them.
He said: “This is pretty tough and non-negotiable support for families to get to the root of the problem. There should be Family Intervention Projects in every local authority area because every area has families that need support.”

But Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: “This is all much too little, much too late.
“This Government has been in power for more than a decade during which time anti-social behaviour, family breakdown and problems like alcohol abuse and truancy have just got worse and worse.”

Mr Balls also said responsible parents who make sure their children behave in school will get new rights to complain about those who allow their children to disrupt lessons.

Pupils and their families will have to sign behaviour contracts known as Home School Agreements before the start of every year, which will set out parents’ duties to ensure children behave and do their homework.

The updated Youth Crime Action Plan also called for a crackdown on violent girl gangs as well as drug and alcohol abuse among young women.

But a decision to give ministers new powers to intervene with failing local authority Youth Offending Teams was criticised by council leaders.

Les Lawrence, of the Local Government Association, said they did “crucial” work and such intervention was “completely unnecessary”.



This sounds a bit made up, or just plain scary. I don't know about you, but I don't want any the government putting anything in my house to monitor me, no matter how effed up my life may be. Now, past the big brother is scary point, there is also the cost problem. How could a government afford to keep a program like this.

Oh, and is the Daily Express even a trust worthy source?
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Postby Holy Paradise » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:04 pm

I smell bullshit.
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:19 pm

Doesn't sound all that unreasonable to me. The alternative is taking the kids away.

And as to the cost ... not really. Big Brother doesn't watch you all the time you know. BB might be watching is an effective deterrent.
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Postby Holy Paradise » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:27 pm

Well, I, for one, welcome our new British overlords.
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:35 pm

Holy Paradise wrote:I smell bullshit.


I'm not sure yet.

The Childrens Plan and the Staying Safe Action Plan are rather wordy ... but my feeling is "yes it's true."

The Rt Hon Ed Balls doesn't look like a man who should be anywhere near children, I must say. (Redacted. What the man looks like is irrelevant.)
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:30 pm

Sorry folks, I'm giving up the search for an official statement of policy.

I'm not sure if the Telegraph is any better a news source, but the same story is there:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5888162/Worst-families-in-Britain-will-be-put-in-sin-bins.html

From what I've wred, there are 'parenting contracts' and there are intensive supervision programmes in place already. Including daily visits by a "key worker" to troubled families. The surveillance MAY be only in council housing.
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Postby Kiregpanzer » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:33 pm

They're just filming for Big Brother 12.

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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:16 pm

George Orwell, 1984 wrote:In Oceania at the present day, Science, in the old sense, has almost ceased to exist. In Newspeak there is no word for 'Science.' The empirical method of thought, on which all the scientific achievements of the past were founded, is opposed to the most fundamental principles of Ingsoc.


Joking aside, and for the sake of argument, I support 24-hour video surveillance as one condition of a family behaviour contract.

As I said before, the alternative is breaking the family up. Good luck placing young offenders with foster families.
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Postby Colonic Immigration » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:17 am

:rofl: If that's true...
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Postby Tubbsalot » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:20 am

I vaguely hope this is true. Better to Big Brother it up than to let kids be fucked up by moronic and incompetent parenting.
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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:31 am

Tubbsalot wrote:I vaguely hope this is true. Better to Big Brother it up than to let kids be fucked up by moronic and incompetent parenting.


Yes. It's not "Big Brother" because it doesn't apply to everyone. These people have already done something wrong (bad parenting,) and they're only keeping their kids providing they meet certain conditions.

Doesn't look like we're getting an argument about it though. Maybe later when there are more posters on.
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Postby Nodinia » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:04 am

You can tell theres an election next year....

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Postby Surpsainia » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:28 am

Holy Paradise wrote:Well, I, for one, welcome our new British overlords.


Good. You shall be useful in our new world order. :twisted:

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Postby Pure Metal » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:40 am

first i've heard of it.
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Postby Post-Unity Terra » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:42 am

Sounds like bullshit, but could be true, I guess. True or not, this thread will get sixty pages of 'LOL AIRSTRIP ONE'.

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Postby No Names Left Damn It » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:17 am

Haven't heard of it myself, and the express is a load of shite, but if the Telegraph is saying it too...
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:24 am

Sounds like a load of bullshit...I don't think it is true haven't heard on the news.

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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:42 am

Post-Unity Terra wrote:Sounds like bullshit, but could be true, I guess. True or not, this thread will get sixty pages of 'LOL AIRSTRIP ONE'.


Of course. But it's nice to be among readers, who at least recognize that Big Brother is a character from a book, not just the name of a moronic television show.

You notice how the article I linked to used the phrase 'members of "Shameless" families' ...?

Even newspapers have difficulty engaging the interest of readers, without invoking (or 'referencing') preconceptions they have formed from audiovisual sources.

"Seeing is believing." Believing for no good reason in many cases.
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Postby PartyPeoples » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:48 am

First I've heard of it too - although it wouldn't surprise me as a last-ditch effort type initiative after the other initiatives and social services have been unable to help the household in trouble. Better to try and work through something rather than just split the family up!

Any yep, you can definitely see there's an election coming up...

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Postby United Russian State » Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:52 am

Sounds like a great idea to me.
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Postby Post-Unity Terra » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:10 am

United Russian State wrote:Sounds like a great idea to me.

Oh dear.

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Postby United Russian State » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:15 am

Post-Unity Terra wrote:
United Russian State wrote:Sounds like a great idea to me.

Oh dear.

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Think about. We could force people to stay out of trouble. Force people go to school/work. Crime would go way done. I would start a program like this with trouble teens and any house that has a person on record for a crime.
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Postby Ekraysia » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:17 am

All hail the new British government

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Postby Surpsainia » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:28 am

Ekraysia wrote:All hail the new British government

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I LOVE IT! :lol:

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Postby Tubbsalot » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:36 am

United Russian State wrote:Sounds like a great idea to me.

Oh boy, I made the wrong choice when I made that post supporting this, didn't I.
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