Who would be better? Regan or Roosevelt?

[Seperate Vermont]

Both were about the same in effectiveness- plans themselves didn't always work but they got the better end of a turn of events.

In a Presidential election? Reagan, almost hands-off. The guy was likeable, and a natural at speaking and connecting to the people. I think he might even override Ike in popularity at the polls.

[Raxar]

FDR any day.

Reagan is wayy overrated, and I don't understand the cult around him. The man was a freaking catastrophe waiting to happen! He was no more than a mediocre President.

What he said

[Lerro]

Reagan, on the grounds that he didn't order 100,000 minorities rounded up and put in camps.

[Goldsaver]

I dislike them both policy-wise (Reagan had Reaganomics, Rossetti had Japanese-American interment) , but both had respectable leadership skills, so, I'd say a tie.

[Seperate Vermont]

At least both Presidencies were more productive and positive, at least moreso than modern ones.

[Pyravar]

Oh FDR, by far. There would be none of this cutting deals and bending over backwards for the republicans, there would be, "You'll vote the way I like, or you'll have a few extra new congressmen in this chamber, and you'll goddamned like it."

Yeah it's instead it's "lets pack the supreme court with my justices because my liberal policies failed to do anything about the depression". It took ww2 to bring america back from that.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Zombie Reagan

[Makkusubari]

Ronald Reagan is the most overrated US President of all time. Of All Time!

Second.

[Ketharnia]

Roosevelt hands down. He would get things done. There wouldn't be any of this, "Let's appease the f**king Republicans" stuff.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Well, I was watching a tv program about Regan and Roosevelt the other day, and I had a question, who would win in the upcoming presidential election, if these two were still alive and ran for president? Ronald Regan, or Franklin Deleano Roosevelt? One is a Democrat, and another a Republican, so who would win?

Ask Japanese Americans.

[Thedcrat]

FDR. Social security, the end of the depression,the economic bill of rights, and victory in WW2. Reagan increased inequality, killled savadorians and american nuns, and and balloned the debt. the cold war ended becasue the oil price collapsed so the commies coundn't pay for socialism. he also trained bin laden and killed unions.

[Saigonsin]

Reagan by a light year. Sure, he was an average president, but he was an amazing speaker and optimist.
FDR did nothing but prolong the depression with terrible new programs, unemployment never lowered to a decent level until World War 2 saved his ass. He also discriminated against the Japanese, which was somewhat justified, but sending them to camps was cruel.

[Ceannairceach]

Roosevelt, obviously. We need a bull moose in--

What? The other one? Meh, I dunno.

[Terra Agora]

FDR did nothing but prolong the Great Depression.

No I don't disagree. Just like I suspect Hoover took a shock and turned it into a depression. But unlike Hoover, he was still able to calm the country. Policy wise it was disastrous, just a horrible, horrible thing. If you read of him, he really didn't know where he was going with it, not to mention it all seemed superficial. But, and I emphasize but, he understand that perception was everything and he made it seem like government was there to help. Furthermore if you read his diaries, you would see that he actually feared a potential revolution would occur if government didn't do something quick.

I agree with you there.

[Saigonsin]

FDR. Social security, the end of the depression,the economic bill of rights, and victory in WW2. Reagan increased inequality, killled savadorians and american nuns, and and balloned the debt. the cold war ended becasue the oil price collapsed so the commies coundn't pay for socialism. he also trained bin laden and killed unions.

Oh dear God.
You think Social Security, the economic bor, and unions are a GOOD thing???

The end of depression was result of WW2, not FDR's miserable policies.

[Altruistic Paladins]

We'll, let me do this as an equation

Liberal: Roosevelt = regulation > Reagan = deregulation

Well, Roosevelt is a great man who by regulating and getting got us out of one of the bleakest periods of history, unlike what his predecessor did, which was simply say they should get jobs. What Reagan didn't do was get us out of a bad economic spot, I'd say his deregulation got us in the mess we're in now.

[Goldsaver]

We'll, let me do this as an equation

Liberal: Roosevelt = regulation > Reagan = deregulation

Well, Roosevelt is a great man who by properly regulating the market got us out of one of the bleakest periods of history, what Reagan didn't do was get us out of a bad economic spot, I'd say deregulation got us in the mess we're in now.

He also sent people to camps for no other reason than race.

FDR. Social security, the end of the depression,the economic bill of rights, and victory in WW2. Reagan increased inequality, killled savadorians and american nuns, and and balloned the debt. the cold war ended becasue the oil price collapsed so the commies coundn't pay for socialism. he also trained bin laden and killed unions.

Oh dear God.
You think Social Security, the economic bor, and unions are a GOOD thing???
.

Social Security and Unions ARE good things, in my opinion. Care to explain why you don't?

[Saigonsin]

We'll, let me do this as an equation

Liberal: Roosevelt = regulation > Reagan = deregulation

Well, Roosevelt is a great man who by properly regulating the market got us out of one of the bleakest periods of history, what Reagan didn't do was get us out of a bad economic spot, I'd say deregulation got us in the mess we're in now.

FDR prolonged the depression with 30+ unneeded programs that kept people out of work. it also raised debt, and never lowered unemployment.
Reagan deregulated the market, and jobs were created. He never curbed spending, which was his biggest downfall.

[Aasimaria]

Neither.
My vote goes to Zombie Theodore Roosevelt.

[Altruistic Paladins]

FDR. Social security, the end of the depression,the economic bill of rights, and victory in WW2. Reagan increased inequality, killled savadorians and american nuns, and and balloned the debt. the cold war ended becasue the oil price collapsed so the commies coundn't pay for socialism. he also trained bin laden and killed unions.

Oh dear God.
You think Social Security, the economic bor, and unions are a GOOD thing???

The end of depression was result of WW2, not FDR's miserable policies.

Wow, so war solves every problem, it isn't like any number of various projects that got people jobs and set us up so we were in a position to actually fight WW2 happened. Well, appearently no matter the state of your country, getting into a war will solve those problems. (Sarcasm doesn't even begin to describe this, take notice if you didn't.)

[Saigonsin]

Oh dear God.
You think Social Security, the economic bor, and unions are a GOOD thing???
.

Social Security and Unions ARE good things, in my opinion. Care to explain why you don't?

Social Security needs reforming badly, and unions are corrupt political organizations that no longer serve their once great purpose. They keep good workers from being promoted, and bad ones from being fired.

[Goldsaver]

Oh dear God.
You think Social Security, the economic bor, and unions are a GOOD thing???

The end of depression was result of WW2, not FDR's miserable policies.

Wow, so war solves every problem, it isn't like any number of various projects that got people jobs and set us up so we were in a position to actually fight WW2 happened. Well, appearently no matter the state of your country, getting into a war will solve those problems. (Sarcasm doesn't even begin to describe this, take notice if you didn't.)

WW2 was the major cause of the end of the depression.

Social Security needs reforming badly, and unions are corrupt political organizations that no longer serve their once great purpose. They keep good workers from being promoted, and bad ones from being fired.

Social Security was signed into law by FDR; its current state is irrelevant to this discussion, as is the current state of unions.

[Altruistic Paladins]

Altruistic Paladins - "We'll, let me do this as an equation

Liberal: Roosevelt = regulation > Reagan = deregulation

Well, Roosevelt is a great man who by properly regulating the market got us out of one of the bleakest periods of history, what Reagan didn't do was get us out of a bad economic spot, I'd say deregulation got us in the mess we're in now."

Saigonsin - "FDR prolonged the depression with 30+ unneeded programs that kept people out of work. it also raised debt, and never lowered unemployment.
Reagan deregulated the market, and jobs were created. He never curbed spending, which was his biggest downfall."


Yes, because the dams built themselves, you even said that WW2 got us out our problems, so by that logic problems such as debt would disappear. The revitalization of the economy with heavy focus on getting contracts so that weapons and vehicles could be mass produced, and those didn't have any positive affects beyond their inception, including the banning of child labor, or how about the introduction of food standards to ensure such basic things as bathrooms in food processing plants, and I don't want to worry about salmonela anytime I buy food.

In response to Goldsaver: Yes, it was a good motivation to get the economy going again, I was just making fun of the logic that WW2 in and of itself was the one all end all the problems America was having at the time.

[Mike the Progressive]

Social Security was signed into law by FDR; its current state is irrelevant to this discussion, as is the current state of unions.

Slow down there, sport. It is very current. He created a program that is now a mess. Regardless of how you feel about him and SS, it is very relevant.

[Ceannairceach]

Neither.
My vote goes to Zombie Theodore Roosevelt.

Hurray for the Bull Moose!