Communism: Persuade Me

[Duartistan]

I quite like some ideas of this economic system. Though in reality, it won't work that well with democracy. I think that human nature is just too overpowering for Communism. Although I lean towards Liberal Socialism, I'm not Anti- Capitalist because I admire some of the ideas within.

[Distruzio]

Im pretty sure that a lot of people didn't get any food at all...like in Ukraine and many other places.

Which would have been totally different if they had to buy their food, and had no money.

Oh, wait.

Actually it would have been totally different. Without the gov't guaranteeing food any day now if the good comrades would simply have more patience, the plighted villagers would be free to offer employment services to the private good distributor. At such point they'd be free to earn their food instead of waiting for it forever.

[Wolny Kraj]

here we go.

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Official Government Communiqué

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Of The Government Of Wolny Kraj

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Communism, if employed correctly, which has never happened because the Soviet government fell to Stalin and he completely went in the opposite direction of true communism. He was the "red fascist". don't let anyone tell you he was a communist. Or the North Koreans or Chinese today for that matter. Ok, back to the point. When you create this society, you eliminate struggle between classes, making everyone truly equal. There is no more money or power to corrupt. Essentially, the difference between Communism and Anarchism is that with Communism, everyone is the state, whereas in Anarchism, no one is the state. It is myth that freedoms are crushed and people are murdered. Communism has no "master race" like Nazism. Completely different thing, thank God. Notice the word God there. Communism doesn't discriminate against religion as the common conception misleads. It is in fact quite the contrary. You can have religious beliefs, it was just the soviets who took Communism to mean atheism. You can also eliminate poverty and starvation by giving everyone what they need from the communal store of food and goods. This could happen by at first, somewhat like what Lenin thought, (this is my take on Communism, mind you.) and create a DEMOCRACY of the proletariat. Not a dictatorship of the proletariat because we saw in the USSR that power corrupts and all it takes is one man to screw the system for good. In the system of this democracy of the proletariat, the people would elect the government like in a normal democracy. But the people on the elected board wouldn't have titles, they would just each have areas to "communize" if you will. Once the people in those areas of production are able to sustain themselves in the communist system, the elected person's powers in government would end. They would, however, stay on the government board until all the sectors have been changed. This would avoid a dictatorship scenario where one board member was left and purposely didn't do his duty. After the economy is communized, the people produce one thing in their sector, such as grain or cars or anything deemed necessary by the elected board. They will continue to make these goods and so will others in their sector. They won't, however, sell these goods. They will send them out to a sort of "post office" organization, which will send out these goods to all citizens of the nation. "To each according to his or her needs, from each according to his or her ability" is a good representation of this. Eventually, though, there won't be a "nation" of which to speak. There will be one world community of workers. This requires complete world agreement, though, and demilitarization will not be possible until the entire world has joined. So, there will need to be something to offset the power of a military that would surely take over the nation, because there wouldn't be anything in place to maintain power. The same would also be true if any person attempted to take over the country as their own. This is where the controversial stuff comes in. There will be progressive education reforms and social welfare reforms when the elected board is still in place. The education will make sure to make Pacifism a top moral in the young children. This is not your scary, fascist re-education type stuff. This is just plain old love and peace. And there will be no ignorance, as all children will be taught equally, free of any charge. They will all be as intelligent as the state can possibly make them. This means that they won't want to take over as a dictator because they will know morally that it is not what to do. As for the argument that the mentally unstable wouldn't be bound by morals, they would be receiving regular doctor's checkups, and they would be taken for treatment at the first signs of a mental illness. This ensures that the stateless, classless society is free to continue. There would also be no crime, as a result of said education, as can be seen on my nation page, and there would be no drug trafficking, (reaaaally controversial stuff now) if there were no drug laws and there was a specific organization to distribute drugs for free to addicts, as well as offer them help and rehabilitation, there would be no need for drug trafficking and the business would die out almost immediately, as the addicts wouldn't have to go to a dangerous alleyway for their drugs and pay money, (which would be nonexistent by the time the elected board is finished) and instead they could come to a safe, clean government dispensary. One final point of order before I conclude. If the elected board conspired to stay in power as a whole, the people could rise up again like we can assume they did in the first place to be in the position to begin the process of becoming communist, and they can oust the corrupted board, and elect a new board. That's all I have time to say now, but I hope to see you on my side of the political fence, comrade.



Sincerely,


Szczepan Łwówski, People's Leader, Wolny Kraj

[Sibirsky]

Distruzio, this is a bit overdue, but welcome to NSG. We appreciate your input. Keep up the good work.

[Valtieres]

I find it frustrating that the Right-Wing can so easily assume the moral high ground when it comes to the cost of people killed due to idealogical policies.

First of all:

Capitalism has promoted the use of slavery, wage slavery, poverty, ignorance of civil rights and political rights, and general apathy for your fellow human being. It is frustrating to see a politically useless country like the U.S stand the way it is because no one really cares. The ones who care are just authoritarians and free-market preachers, or half-assed variants of them. Some claim America has the highest standard of living, but tell that to the homeless living in Detroit, Chicago, New York, etc.....There are some who have attempted to " Earn their merit ", but they still falter. Why? Because Unrestrained Capitalism produces stagnation. The rich tend to forget in their duties to investing in products, and hoarde their money like medieval European monarchs. Not only do they forget about the productive members of society, but they hire incompetents that are far more interested in their wallets than in their peoples prosperity.

America is just a big, shitty, stagnating excuse for a Democracy. Freedom of Speech? Big Fucking Deal. The reality is that we have those rights because the government KNOWS that your silly political ideals, no matter how Right or Left they are, will never make it beyond the drawing board. It is not that this is a historical incident, but a modern one. Contemporary Statism and Corporatism mixed with Necessity-Based Consumerism.

Why the fuck do I have to pay for WATER? Why do I have to pay for HOUSING? Why do I have to pay for some of the most basic necessities on earth? Why? Because Money is what Capitalism values. Not innovation, not prosperity, and most certainly not equality. It creates tension, stagnation, and resentment.

Capitalism has killed more cultures and people silently. State Capitalists like Stalin and Mao did it bluntly, but Capitalists maintain a better image because they wiped out entire populations through the use of Imperialism/Mercantilism, and aggressive expansion. They enclose a culture in it's own territory, subjugate it, abuse it, harvest it's fruits, and then abandon it. Simply by leaving survivors Capitalism claims the upper moral ground. Simple as that. Native Americans that are living a life of poverty and border-line incest don't complain. Why? It isn't politically correct. Capitalist European powers such as France and England can't argue much either. France occupied and nearly brutalized the culture of Southeastern Asia, while England monopolized entire peoples, using them as militarized cannon fodder and manufacturing labour.

What has Communism done? Nothing. It has never been practiced and never will be. Why? Because as long as you and I exist on this planet, there will be those who take a passive, idealistic stance, and those who take an aggressive, pessimistic stance. The aggressives will always trump the idealistics as long as they remain together, and the grand cycle of oppression continues on and on and on and on.

Am I sugar-coating Communism? No. Lenin and Ho practiced borderline Socialism, but they had their flaws. The ineffectively managed their people, but to an understandable degree. They were in civil war, and they required order to prevail over the chaos of years of abuse under Imperialism. Simple. Ho with the American Intervention, and Lenin with the Pro-Tsarist Whites.

To close off any arguements concerning the madness of " Communistic Living ", I had a relative who lived in Romania during Ceacescu's reign. He absolutely despised the man, but also had this to say:

" While I was in Romania, I never once suffered the danger of poverty, I never once suffered the danger of being evicted for not being able to pay my taxes, I never once felt isolated because of regional background, I never once felt that I was an undervalued member of society, and I never once felt that my life would end because of my personal financing......"

My relative eventually ended up leaving Romania for the U.S, and after speaking with him some more, he told me this:

" I regret coming here. Detroit is horrendous, and never did I imagine such a large city would contain so much misery. The schools here are an abomination, the politicians are idiots just like our old ones, and people seem far less motivated to LIVE. They are lifeless husks wandering about......."

My relative attended free education in Romania, recieved free athletic training, and recieved free Extra-Curricular education. Not only does he understand advanced Algebraic-Concepts, and the equivalent of Honors Geometry in the U.S. He also was able to attend a prestigious Karate academy in Bucharest, and became a teacher, openning his own school. He had his OWN FUCKING SCHOOL!

In the U.S, you imagine all of these cool karate movies, with happy-faced Asians educating the masses of America without complaint. What a fucking joke. My father earned his belt through an entire decade of merit, while wanna-be's here earn their Black Belt in less than two years, especially children. Pathetic.

You Capitalists praise a system of merit, skill, productivity, freedom, political rights, and equality when you can't even best fucking Ceacescu's policies in education. Let me add that he was one of the MOST CORRUPT leaders in the history of Warsaw Pact Europe. Yet how is it that my relative manages to retain his job even after this " Horrific, Education-Absent Dictatorship "? Because both sides of the political fuck-fest lied.

My relative is a successful business owner, and manages a small work-force of 10 Romanians. Is he some sort of illiterate monkey? No. By far. He is politically open about his beliefs, and he occasionally comments on how useless such a freedom is when the government could care less about public opinion.

Is he some sort of monster? Is he a dog of Communism? Is he under-educated?

I ask any Far-Right Capitalist this:

Why is it so wrong to promote equality, justice, security, and health? Why? If my relative was able to live under such " Cesspit-like " conditions and still manage to have top-notch healthcare, welfare, and a job? Free education? College level education? How does this Communist dog manage to understand " Capitalist-Innovated " mathematics while living under such a horrible dictatorship? Can't you thick-headed mongrels imagine the good if a TRUE Socialist society could be established? My relative prior to coming into America was a farmer. A fucking farmer.

Farmer. Fucking Farmer. There are people. in College today that can barely comprehend true mathematics, but somehow a farmer from the fucking Romanian countryside manages to absorb these concepts with enthusiasm and SUCCEED in a global market. How? Fucking how?

Hypocrisy. Fucking hypocrisy.

[Hydesland]

Why the fuck do I have to pay for WATER? Why do I have to pay for HOUSING? Why do I have to pay for some of the most basic necessities on earth?

Because "people, on the whole, do not fucking work for free™"

Why is it so wrong to promote equality, justice, security, and health?

None of this requires communism.

[Valtieres]

Why the fuck do I have to pay for WATER? Why do I have to pay for HOUSING? Why do I have to pay for some of the most basic necessities on earth?

Because "people, on the whole, do not fucking work for free™"

So Cavemen are politically incorrect?

[Hydesland]

So Cavemen are politically incorrect?

Cavemen worked because if they don't hunt for food they would die. That is working so that you get something in return.

[Valtieres]

So Cavemen are politically incorrect?

Cavemen worked because if they don't hunt for food they would die. That is working so that you get something in return.

I never said food. I said Water. Easily accessible water, at that. Of course, in our wonderful modern world, we have a thing called " Magical Borders ", enforced by security guards. How something so simple became a product is beyond me.

[The Southron Nation]

Cavemen worked because if they don't hunt for food they would die. That is working so that you get something in return.

I never said food. I said Water. Easily accessible water, at that. Of course, in our wonderful modern world, we have a thing called " Magical Borders ", enforced by security guards. How something so simple became a product is beyond me.

Ever hear of scarcity?

[Hydesland]

I never said food. I said Water. Easily accessible water, at that.

No, water is not easily accessible, this is a myth. Furthermore, it takes a huge amount of labour to create and maintain a plumbing system that enables fresh and clean water to be pumped into every household.

On the whole, your massive wall of text is insanely wrong. You point to things like mercantalism and imperialism, things that the quintessential capitalists like Smith and Ricardo thought were utterly utterly wrong and morally repugnant, as well as inefficient.

[Sibirsky]

:ugeek: here we go.

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Official Government Communiqué

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Of The Government Of Wolny Kraj

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Communism, if employed correctly, which has never happened because the Soviet government fell to Stalin and he completely went in the opposite direction of true communism. He was the "red fascist". don't let anyone tell you he was a communist. Or the North Koreans or Chinese today for that matter. Ok, back to the point. When you create this society, you eliminate struggle between classes, making everyone truly equal. There is no more money or power to corrupt. Essentially, the difference between Communism and Anarchism is that with Communism, everyone is the state, whereas in Anarchism, no one is the state. It is myth that freedoms are crushed and people are murdered. Communism has no "master race" like Nazism. Completely different thing, thank God. Notice the word God there. Communism doesn't discriminate against religion as the common conception misleads. It is in fact quite the contrary. You can have religious beliefs, it was just the soviets who took Communism to mean atheism. You can also eliminate poverty and starvation by giving everyone what they need from the communal store of food and goods. This could happen by at first, somewhat like what Lenin thought, (this is my take on Communism, mind you.) and create a DEMOCRACY of the proletariat. Not a dictatorship of the proletariat because we saw in the USSR that power corrupts and all it takes is one man to screw the system for good. In the system of this democracy of the proletariat, the people would elect the government like in a normal democracy. But the people on the elected board wouldn't have titles, they would just each have areas to "communize" if you will. Once the people in those areas of production are able to sustain themselves in the communist system, the elected person's powers in government would end. They would, however, stay on the government board until all the sectors have been changed. This would avoid a dictatorship scenario where one board member was left and purposely didn't do his duty. After the economy is communized, the people produce one thing in their sector, such as grain or cars or anything deemed necessary by the elected board. They will continue to make these goods and so will others in their sector. They won't, however, sell these goods. They will send them out to a sort of "post office" organization, which will send out these goods to all citizens of the nation. "To each according to his or her needs, from each according to his or her ability" is a good representation of this. Eventually, though, there won't be a "nation" of which to speak. There will be one world community of workers. This requires complete world agreement, though, and demilitarization will not be possible until the entire world has joined. So, there will need to be something to offset the power of a military that would surely take over the nation, because there wouldn't be anything in place to maintain power. The same would also be true if any person attempted to take over the country as their own. This is where the controversial stuff comes in. There will be progressive education reforms and social welfare reforms when the elected board is still in place. The education will make sure to make Pacifism a top moral in the young children. This is not your scary, fascist re-education type stuff. This is just plain old love and peace. And there will be no ignorance, as all children will be taught equally, free of any charge. They will all be as intelligent as the state can possibly make them. This means that they won't want to take over as a dictator because they will know morally that it is not what to do. As for the argument that the mentally unstable wouldn't be bound by morals, they would be receiving regular doctor's checkups, and they would be taken for treatment at the first signs of a mental illness. This ensures that the stateless, classless society is free to continue. There would also be no crime, as a result of said education, as can be seen on my nation page, and there would be no drug trafficking, (reaaaally controversial stuff now) if there were no drug laws and there was a specific organization to distribute drugs for free to addicts, as well as offer them help and rehabilitation, there would be no need for drug trafficking and the business would die out almost immediately, as the addicts wouldn't have to go to a dangerous alleyway for their drugs and pay money, (which would be nonexistent by the time the elected board is finished) and instead they could come to a safe, clean government dispensary. One final point of order before I conclude. If the elected board conspired to stay in power as a whole, the people could rise up again like we can assume they did in the first place to be in the position to begin the process of becoming communist, and they can oust the corrupted board, and elect a new board. That's all I have time to say now, but I hope to see you on my side of the political fence, comrade.



Sincerely,

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Szczepan Łwówski, People's Leader, Wolny Kraj

I find it frustrating that the Right-Wing can so easily assume the moral high ground when it comes to the cost of people killed due to idealogical policies.

First of all:

Capitalism has promoted the use of slavery, wage slavery, poverty, ignorance of civil rights and political rights, and general apathy for your fellow human being. It is frustrating to see a politically useless country like the U.S stand the way it is because no one really cares. The ones who care are just authoritarians and free-market preachers, or half-assed variants of them. Some claim America has the highest standard of living, but tell that to the homeless living in Detroit, Chicago, New York, etc.....There are some who have attempted to " Earn their merit ", but they still falter. Why? Because Unrestrained Capitalism produces stagnation. The rich tend to forget in their duties to investing in products, and hoarde their money like medieval European monarchs. Not only do they forget about the productive members of society, but they hire incompetents that are far more interested in their wallets than in their peoples prosperity.

America is just a big, shitty, stagnating excuse for a Democracy. Freedom of Speech? Big Fucking Deal. The reality is that we have those rights because the government KNOWS that your silly political ideals, no matter how Right or Left they are, will never make it beyond the drawing board. It is not that this is a historical incident, but a modern one. Contemporary Statism and Corporatism mixed with Necessity-Based Consumerism.

Why the fuck do I have to pay for WATER? Why do I have to pay for HOUSING? Why do I have to pay for some of the most basic necessities on earth? Why? Because Money is what Capitalism values. Not innovation, not prosperity, and most certainly not equality. It creates tension, stagnation, and resentment.

Capitalism has killed more cultures and people silently. State Capitalists like Stalin and Mao did it bluntly, but Capitalists maintain a better image because they wiped out entire populations through the use of Imperialism/Mercantilism, and aggressive expansion. They enclose a culture in it's own territory, subjugate it, abuse it, harvest it's fruits, and then abandon it. Simply by leaving survivors Capitalism claims the upper moral ground. Simple as that. Native Americans that are living a life of poverty and border-line incest don't complain. Why? It isn't politically correct. Capitalist European powers such as France and England can't argue much either. France occupied and nearly brutalized the culture of Southeastern Asia, while England monopolized entire peoples, using them as militarized cannon fodder and manufacturing labour.

What has Communism done? Nothing. It has never been practiced and never will be. Why? Because as long as you and I exist on this planet, there will be those who take a passive, idealistic stance, and those who take an aggressive, pessimistic stance. The aggressives will always trump the idealistics as long as they remain together, and the grand cycle of oppression continues on and on and on and on.

Am I sugar-coating Communism? No. Lenin and Ho practiced borderline Socialism, but they had their flaws. The ineffectively managed their people, but to an understandable degree. They were in civil war, and they required order to prevail over the chaos of years of abuse under Imperialism. Simple. Ho with the American Intervention, and Lenin with the Pro-Tsarist Whites.

To close off any arguements concerning the madness of " Communistic Living ", I had a relative who lived in Romania during Ceacescu's reign. He absolutely despised the man, but also had this to say:

" While I was in Romania, I never once suffered the danger of poverty, I never once suffered the danger of being evicted for not being able to pay my taxes, I never once felt isolated because of regional background, I never once felt that I was an undervalued member of society, and I never once felt that my life would end because of my personal financing......"

My relative eventually ended up leaving Romania for the U.S, and after speaking with him some more, he told me this:

" I regret coming here. Detroit is horrendous, and never did I imagine such a large city would contain so much misery. The schools here are an abomination, the politicians are idiots just like our old ones, and people seem far less motivated to LIVE. They are lifeless husks wandering about......."

My relative attended free education in Romania, recieved free athletic training, and recieved free Extra-Curricular education. Not only does he understand advanced Algebraic-Concepts, and the equivalent of Honors Geometry in the U.S. He also was able to attend a prestigious Karate academy in Bucharest, and became a teacher, openning his own school. He had his OWN FUCKING SCHOOL!

In the U.S, you imagine all of these cool karate movies, with happy-faced Asians educating the masses of America without complaint. What a fucking joke. My father earned his belt through an entire decade of merit, while wanna-be's here earn their Black Belt in less than two years, especially children. Pathetic.

You Capitalists praise a system of merit, skill, productivity, freedom, political rights, and equality when you can't even best fucking Ceacescu's policies in education. Let me add that he was one of the MOST CORRUPT leaders in the history of Warsaw Pact Europe. Yet how is it that my relative manages to retain his job even after this " Horrific, Education-Absent Dictatorship "? Because both sides of the political fuck-fest lied.

My relative is a successful business owner, and manages a small work-force of 10 Romanians. Is he some sort of illiterate monkey? No. By far. He is politically open about his beliefs, and he occasionally comments on how useless such a freedom is when the government could care less about public opinion.

Is he some sort of monster? Is he a dog of Communism? Is he under-educated?

I ask any Far-Right Capitalist this:

Why is it so wrong to promote equality, justice, security, and health? Why? If my relative was able to live under such " Cesspit-like " conditions and still manage to have top-notch healthcare, welfare, and a job? Free education? College level education? How does this Communist dog manage to understand " Capitalist-Innovated " mathematics while living under such a horrible dictatorship? Can't you thick-headed mongrels imagine the good if a TRUE Socialist society could be established? My relative prior to coming into America was a farmer. A fucking farmer.

Farmer. Fucking Farmer. There are people. in College today that can barely comprehend true mathematics, but somehow a farmer from the fucking Romanian countryside manages to absorb these concepts with enthusiasm and SUCCEED in a global market. How? Fucking how?

Hypocrisy. Fucking hypocrisy.

Why the fuck do I have to pay for WATER? Why do I have to pay for HOUSING? Why do I have to pay for some of the most basic necessities on earth? Why? Because Money is what Capitalism values. Not innovation, not prosperity, and most certainly not equality. It creates tension, stagnation, and resentment.

Your sense of entitlement is outrageous. Why the fuck should someone build a house for you? Why the fuck should someone provide you with anything at all?

[Valtieres]

I never said food. I said Water. Easily accessible water, at that. Of course, in our wonderful modern world, we have a thing called " Magical Borders ", enforced by security guards. How something so simple became a product is beyond me.

Ever hear of scarcity?

Scarcity? Primitive peoples migrated to places where there were sources of water. It isn't that hard to get up and walk. As I said, "Magical Borders".

[Valtieres]

:ugeek: here we go.

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Official Government Communiqué

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Of The Government Of Wolny Kraj

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Communism, if employed correctly, which has never happened because the Soviet government fell to Stalin and he completely went in the opposite direction of true communism. He was the "red fascist". don't let anyone tell you he was a communist. Or the North Koreans or Chinese today for that matter. Ok, back to the point. When you create this society, you eliminate struggle between classes, making everyone truly equal. There is no more money or power to corrupt. Essentially, the difference between Communism and Anarchism is that with Communism, everyone is the state, whereas in Anarchism, no one is the state. It is myth that freedoms are crushed and people are murdered. Communism has no "master race" like Nazism. Completely different thing, thank God. Notice the word God there. Communism doesn't discriminate against religion as the common conception misleads. It is in fact quite the contrary. You can have religious beliefs, it was just the soviets who took Communism to mean atheism. You can also eliminate poverty and starvation by giving everyone what they need from the communal store of food and goods. This could happen by at first, somewhat like what Lenin thought, (this is my take on Communism, mind you.) and create a DEMOCRACY of the proletariat. Not a dictatorship of the proletariat because we saw in the USSR that power corrupts and all it takes is one man to screw the system for good. In the system of this democracy of the proletariat, the people would elect the government like in a normal democracy. But the people on the elected board wouldn't have titles, they would just each have areas to "communize" if you will. Once the people in those areas of production are able to sustain themselves in the communist system, the elected person's powers in government would end. They would, however, stay on the government board until all the sectors have been changed. This would avoid a dictatorship scenario where one board member was left and purposely didn't do his duty. After the economy is communized, the people produce one thing in their sector, such as grain or cars or anything deemed necessary by the elected board. They will continue to make these goods and so will others in their sector. They won't, however, sell these goods. They will send them out to a sort of "post office" organization, which will send out these goods to all citizens of the nation. "To each according to his or her needs, from each according to his or her ability" is a good representation of this. Eventually, though, there won't be a "nation" of which to speak. There will be one world community of workers. This requires complete world agreement, though, and demilitarization will not be possible until the entire world has joined. So, there will need to be something to offset the power of a military that would surely take over the nation, because there wouldn't be anything in place to maintain power. The same would also be true if any person attempted to take over the country as their own. This is where the controversial stuff comes in. There will be progressive education reforms and social welfare reforms when the elected board is still in place. The education will make sure to make Pacifism a top moral in the young children. This is not your scary, fascist re-education type stuff. This is just plain old love and peace. And there will be no ignorance, as all children will be taught equally, free of any charge. They will all be as intelligent as the state can possibly make them. This means that they won't want to take over as a dictator because they will know morally that it is not what to do. As for the argument that the mentally unstable wouldn't be bound by morals, they would be receiving regular doctor's checkups, and they would be taken for treatment at the first signs of a mental illness. This ensures that the stateless, classless society is free to continue. There would also be no crime, as a result of said education, as can be seen on my nation page, and there would be no drug trafficking, (reaaaally controversial stuff now) if there were no drug laws and there was a specific organization to distribute drugs for free to addicts, as well as offer them help and rehabilitation, there would be no need for drug trafficking and the business would die out almost immediately, as the addicts wouldn't have to go to a dangerous alleyway for their drugs and pay money, (which would be nonexistent by the time the elected board is finished) and instead they could come to a safe, clean government dispensary. One final point of order before I conclude. If the elected board conspired to stay in power as a whole, the people could rise up again like we can assume they did in the first place to be in the position to begin the process of becoming communist, and they can oust the corrupted board, and elect a new board. That's all I have time to say now, but I hope to see you on my side of the political fence, comrade.



Sincerely,

(Image)
Szczepan Łwówski, People's Leader, Wolny Kraj

I find it frustrating that the Right-Wing can so easily assume the moral high ground when it comes to the cost of people killed due to idealogical policies.

First of all:

Capitalism has promoted the use of slavery, wage slavery, poverty, ignorance of civil rights and political rights, and general apathy for your fellow human being. It is frustrating to see a politically useless country like the U.S stand the way it is because no one really cares. The ones who care are just authoritarians and free-market preachers, or half-assed variants of them. Some claim America has the highest standard of living, but tell that to the homeless living in Detroit, Chicago, New York, etc.....There are some who have attempted to " Earn their merit ", but they still falter. Why? Because Unrestrained Capitalism produces stagnation. The rich tend to forget in their duties to investing in products, and hoarde their money like medieval European monarchs. Not only do they forget about the productive members of society, but they hire incompetents that are far more interested in their wallets than in their peoples prosperity.

America is just a big, shitty, stagnating excuse for a Democracy. Freedom of Speech? Big Fucking Deal. The reality is that we have those rights because the government KNOWS that your silly political ideals, no matter how Right or Left they are, will never make it beyond the drawing board. It is not that this is a historical incident, but a modern one. Contemporary Statism and Corporatism mixed with Necessity-Based Consumerism.

Why the fuck do I have to pay for WATER? Why do I have to pay for HOUSING? Why do I have to pay for some of the most basic necessities on earth? Why? Because Money is what Capitalism values. Not innovation, not prosperity, and most certainly not equality. It creates tension, stagnation, and resentment.

Capitalism has killed more cultures and people silently. State Capitalists like Stalin and Mao did it bluntly, but Capitalists maintain a better image because they wiped out entire populations through the use of Imperialism/Mercantilism, and aggressive expansion. They enclose a culture in it's own territory, subjugate it, abuse it, harvest it's fruits, and then abandon it. Simply by leaving survivors Capitalism claims the upper moral ground. Simple as that. Native Americans that are living a life of poverty and border-line incest don't complain. Why? It isn't politically correct. Capitalist European powers such as France and England can't argue much either. France occupied and nearly brutalized the culture of Southeastern Asia, while England monopolized entire peoples, using them as militarized cannon fodder and manufacturing labour.

What has Communism done? Nothing. It has never been practiced and never will be. Why? Because as long as you and I exist on this planet, there will be those who take a passive, idealistic stance, and those who take an aggressive, pessimistic stance. The aggressives will always trump the idealistics as long as they remain together, and the grand cycle of oppression continues on and on and on and on.

Am I sugar-coating Communism? No. Lenin and Ho practiced borderline Socialism, but they had their flaws. The ineffectively managed their people, but to an understandable degree. They were in civil war, and they required order to prevail over the chaos of years of abuse under Imperialism. Simple. Ho with the American Intervention, and Lenin with the Pro-Tsarist Whites.

To close off any arguements concerning the madness of " Communistic Living ", I had a relative who lived in Romania during Ceacescu's reign. He absolutely despised the man, but also had this to say:

" While I was in Romania, I never once suffered the danger of poverty, I never once suffered the danger of being evicted for not being able to pay my taxes, I never once felt isolated because of regional background, I never once felt that I was an undervalued member of society, and I never once felt that my life would end because of my personal financing......"

My relative eventually ended up leaving Romania for the U.S, and after speaking with him some more, he told me this:

" I regret coming here. Detroit is horrendous, and never did I imagine such a large city would contain so much misery. The schools here are an abomination, the politicians are idiots just like our old ones, and people seem far less motivated to LIVE. They are lifeless husks wandering about......."

My relative attended free education in Romania, recieved free athletic training, and recieved free Extra-Curricular education. Not only does he understand advanced Algebraic-Concepts, and the equivalent of Honors Geometry in the U.S. He also was able to attend a prestigious Karate academy in Bucharest, and became a teacher, openning his own school. He had his OWN FUCKING SCHOOL!

In the U.S, you imagine all of these cool karate movies, with happy-faced Asians educating the masses of America without complaint. What a fucking joke. My father earned his belt through an entire decade of merit, while wanna-be's here earn their Black Belt in less than two years, especially children. Pathetic.

You Capitalists praise a system of merit, skill, productivity, freedom, political rights, and equality when you can't even best fucking Ceacescu's policies in education. Let me add that he was one of the MOST CORRUPT leaders in the history of Warsaw Pact Europe. Yet how is it that my relative manages to retain his job even after this " Horrific, Education-Absent Dictatorship "? Because both sides of the political fuck-fest lied.

My relative is a successful business owner, and manages a small work-force of 10 Romanians. Is he some sort of illiterate monkey? No. By far. He is politically open about his beliefs, and he occasionally comments on how useless such a freedom is when the government could care less about public opinion.

Is he some sort of monster? Is he a dog of Communism? Is he under-educated?

I ask any Far-Right Capitalist this:

Why is it so wrong to promote equality, justice, security, and health? Why? If my relative was able to live under such " Cesspit-like " conditions and still manage to have top-notch healthcare, welfare, and a job? Free education? College level education? How does this Communist dog manage to understand " Capitalist-Innovated " mathematics while living under such a horrible dictatorship? Can't you thick-headed mongrels imagine the good if a TRUE Socialist society could be established? My relative prior to coming into America was a farmer. A fucking farmer.

Farmer. Fucking Farmer. There are people. in College today that can barely comprehend true mathematics, but somehow a farmer from the fucking Romanian countryside manages to absorb these concepts with enthusiasm and SUCCEED in a global market. How? Fucking how?

Hypocrisy. Fucking hypocrisy.

Why the fuck do I have to pay for WATER? Why do I have to pay for HOUSING? Why do I have to pay for some of the most basic necessities on earth? Why? Because Money is what Capitalism values. Not innovation, not prosperity, and most certainly not equality. It creates tension, stagnation, and resentment.

Your sense of entitlement is outrageous. Why the fuck should someone build a house for you? Why the fuck should someone provide you with anything at all?

I never specified that I had to be provided housing. Merely that I have a right to it. Get your views fucking straight.

[Sibirsky]

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Your sense of entitlement is outrageous. Why the fuck should someone build a house for you? Why the fuck should someone provide you with anything at all?

I never specified that I had to be provided housing. Merely that I have a right to it. Get your views fucking straight.

You have a right to housing? Most nations do have programs for this, and views, even amongst capitalist differ. Some would say you do not have a right to housing, because housing must be build at the expense of someone else, if you don't pay for it yourself.

Explain to me what the difference is between having a right to something, and being provided with that thing?

[Sibirsky]

Ever hear of scarcity?

Scarcity? Primitive peoples migrated to places where there were sources of water. It isn't that hard to get up and walk. As I said, "Magical Borders".

Clean, drinking water is extremely scarce, as Hydesland already explained.

[Valtieres]

I never specified that I had to be provided housing. Merely that I have a right to it. Get your views fucking straight.

You have a right to housing? Most nations do have programs for this, and views, even amongst capitalist differ. Some would say you do not have a right to housing, because housing must be build at the expense of someone else, if you don't pay for it yourself.

The first part I agree on. I'd be totally willing to build my own house. Just don't tax my ass out the wazoo because I did so. The problem is that the modern incarnation of Capitalism VIOLATES that tenet. The very crap it preaches is violated constantly. I insure you Adam Smith would be horrified to see what PROPER Capitalism has turned into. State Capitalism, with no restraints.

[Great Nepal]

I never specified that I had to be provided housing. Merely that I have a right to it. Get your views fucking straight.

Actually you dont; or at least shouldn't.
Why should you get housing for free when someone had to build it up? What gives you right to get something which someone else built with a cost for free?

[Valtieres]

Scarcity? Primitive peoples migrated to places where there were sources of water. It isn't that hard to get up and walk. As I said, "Magical Borders".

Clean, drinking water is extremely scarce, as Hydesland already explained.

There are obvious methods on how to purify it. Water was unpurified and unrefined back in the times of the Neanderthals, and I still see we are in existence. Industrial methods only further simplify it, and a basic education could help MANY people.

[The Southron Nation]

Ever hear of scarcity?

Scarcity? Primitive peoples migrated to places where there were sources of water. It isn't that hard to get up and walk. As I said, "Magical Borders".

The reason we pay for water is scarcity. Scarcity of property rights over land and water.

[Valtieres]

I never specified that I had to be provided housing. Merely that I have a right to it. Get your views fucking straight.

Actually you dont; or at least shouldn't.
Why should you get housing for free when someone had to build it up? What gives you right to get something which someone else built with a cost for free?

Already replied to.

[Sibirsky]

You have a right to housing? Most nations do have programs for this, and views, even amongst capitalist differ. Some would say you do not have a right to housing, because housing must be build at the expense of someone else, if you don't pay for it yourself.

The first part I agree on. I'd be totally willing to build my own house. Just don't tax my ass out the wazoo because I did so. The problem is that the modern incarnation of Capitalism VIOLATES that tenet. The very crap it preaches is violated constantly. I insure you Adam Smith would be horrified to see what PROPER Capitalism has turned into. State Capitalism, with no restraints.

If you have the capital to acquire land, and building materials, and the know how and skills to build the house, more power to you.

Property taxes are... what they are. I'm against them, but I cannot do much about it.

[Hydesland]

The first part I agree on. I'd be totally willing to build my own house. Just don't tax my ass out the wazoo because I did so. The problem is that the modern incarnation of Capitalism VIOLATES that tenet.

Why on earth would you blame capitalism for taxation?

[Sibirsky]

Clean, drinking water is extremely scarce, as Hydesland already explained.

There are obvious methods on how to purify it. Water was unpurified and unrefined back in the times of the Neanderthals, and I still see we are in existence. Industrial methods only further simplify it, and a basic education could help MANY people.

And that costs money. Equipment and labor are required for it. As Hydesland already explained.

[Valtieres]

Scarcity? Primitive peoples migrated to places where there were sources of water. It isn't that hard to get up and walk. As I said, "Magical Borders".

The reason we pay for water is scarcity. Scarcity of property rights over land and water.

Property rights over land are pathetic. They are human concepts and are useless, other than to seperate us. I wouldn't mind inviting a starving couple if they needed food. Your concept of Property is the "Politcally Correct" version. Hence, I ignore such an arguement.