Creationism Vs. Evolution

[Michael VII]

What say evolution subtly proves creationism? What if they actually are not enemies but both theories on life? In Science, creationism just doesn't work, (and I am a theist, a Christian), because if you don't understand something, the acceptable response may be: 'God doesn't want us to understand yet, so I won't try' or 'God says so'. However, evolution doesn't teach the same moral values that creationism does, like being kind, humble, to have integrity, family values, etc...So in science, forget God for a second, embrace the universe as a test tube for your experiments, but when outside, let your spiritual life come through. (Of course if you are religious.) I believe undoubtedly that creationism is correct, but I also believe evolution must be correct in order for science to progress. Like all 'controversial' theories in physics, they have to be there to progress, so let it be.

actually all those moral values are predicted by evolution, I suggest the books the science of good and evil and Freedom Evolves

no they're not. Evolution would state that we would fight for our own lives first, rather than organise ourselves into distinct family groups and mate for life. Hence the survival of the fittest.

And to those who say evolution and creationism are at odds with each other. Prove it. They are perfectly compatible, the Big Bang Theory, was invented by a Catholic, but apparently the BBT is at odds with religion to. Sure, a lot of mainstream Christianity will be at odds with evolution, but I am not a mainstream Christian. I think it is perfectly viable for both to peacefully coexist. Evolution is everywhere we go, and essentially non-human evolution doesn't contradict religious theories at all. If you believe in an Omnicapable God, then you should be able to say that He used evolution to ease the transition of different species and take less time! 7 days would be a pretty tight squeeze, creating every species would just get annoying wouldn't it? As far as human evolution, what is to say that we were slowly evolved from a unicellular organism, but God didn't communicate with us until we were in His image, i.e. Human. Hence, this creates the ability for evolution and creation to coexist.

PS: My mind is weird, my thought processes are crazy, this was just the thought that went through my head!

[Urwumpe]

Science shows us that absolute certainty is impossible, however by all measures of accuracy, natural selection is among the most well supported principle in all of science.

Yeah... I mean how many pages of theory had been needed to actually do the proof that 1+1=2 is correct...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principia_Mathematica

[Scotovy]

This my get me banned from the forums for awhile, but at this point I don't give a shit because this debate is futile. I'm not going to agree with you and your not going to agree with me.

If you people want to know so bad about holes in evolution, fucking look it up yourselves. I'm not your bitch and I'm I sick of being told I don't know what I'm fucking talking about, treated like I'm piece of shit creationist and not having any fucking person listen to my views while I listen to yours. I respect yours, but hell no I don't have my veiws respected. Well fuck it then! Go to hell! All of you evolutionists. You know something douches I had respect for evolutionists once, but no fucking more. I've realized how god damn narrow fucking minded evolutionists are. You people are a disgrace. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE BASICALLY SAID YOU DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT MINE. WELL FUCK YOU THEN. I'M DONE.

You can think of me how you wish. I could care less.

[Caecili]

This my get me banned from the forums for awhile, but at this point I don't give a shit because this debate is futile. I'm not going to agree with you and your not going to agree with me.

If you people want to know so bad about holes in evolution, fucking look it up yourselves. I'm not your bitch and I'm I sick of being told I don't know what I'm fucking talking about, treated like I'm piece of shit creationist and not having any fucking person listen to my views while I listen to yours. I respect yours, but hell no I don't have my veiws respected. Well fuck it then! Go to hell! All of you evolutionists. You know something douches I had respect for evolutionists once, but no fucking more. I've realized how god damn narrow fucking minded evolutionists are. You people are a disgrace. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE BASICALLY SAID YOU DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT MINE. WELL FUCK YOU THEN. I'M DONE.

You can think of me how you wish. I could care less.

And he concludes by provided absolutely no support for his previous statements and insulting everyone else. Bravo, sir. You officially cannot understand debating.

[Sociobiology]

actually all those moral values are predicted by evolution, I suggest the books the science of good and evil and Freedom Evolves

no they're not. Evolution would state that we would fight for our own lives first, rather than organise ourselves into distinct family groups and mate for life. Hence the survival of the fittest.

And to those who say evolution and creationism are at odds with each other. Prove it. They are perfectly compatible, the Big Bang Theory, was invented by a Catholic, but apparently the BBT is at odds with religion to. Sure, a lot of mainstream Christianity will be at odds with evolution, but I am not a mainstream Christian. I think it is perfectly viable for both to peacefully coexist. Evolution is everywhere we go, and essentially non-human evolution doesn't contradict religious theories at all. If you believe in an Omnicapable God, then you should be able to say that He used evolution to ease the transition of different species and take less time! 7 days would be a pretty tight squeeze, creating every species would just get annoying wouldn't it? As far as human evolution, what is to say that we were slowly evolved from a unicellular organism, but God didn't communicate with us until we were in His image, i.e. Human. Hence, this creates the ability for evolution and creation to coexist.

PS: My mind is weird, my thought processes are crazy, this was just the thought that went through my head!

evolution predicts group behavior, reciprocal altruism, kin selection, and herd behavior, morality evolves in species that form groups. we are products of our genes and those genes benefit most if we live in groups.
you are mearly stating what you think evolution would predict not what the science predicts,
learn the diffrence.
family groups are one of the easiest behaviors to predict with evolution since your family shares most of your genes. monogamy or serial monogamy (which is what humans actually practice) is very common in animals that have high investment offspring (K strategy), human offspring are among the neediest (in terms of time and resources) in the animal kingdom.
a basic biology text book describes this.

[New Manvir]

My thoughts? Okay. God created the world and life.

No he didn't. A magic unicorn did.

That unicorn is an affront to the one true pasta.

[Scotovy]

This my get me banned from the forums for awhile, but at this point I don't give a shit because this debate is futile. I'm not going to agree with you and your not going to agree with me.

If you people want to know so bad about holes in evolution, fucking look it up yourselves. I'm not your bitch and I'm I sick of being told I don't know what I'm fucking talking about, treated like I'm piece of shit creationist and not having any fucking person listen to my views while I listen to yours. I respect yours, but hell no I don't have my veiws respected. Well fuck it then! Go to hell! All of you evolutionists. You know something douches I had respect for evolutionists once, but no fucking more. I've realized how god damn narrow fucking minded evolutionists are. You people are a disgrace. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE BASICALLY SAID YOU DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT MINE. WELL FUCK YOU THEN. I'M DONE.

You can think of me how you wish. I could care less.

And he concludes by provided absolutely no support for his previous statements and insulting everyone else. Bravo, sir. You officially cannot understand debating.

Your right I didn't. What's the point? You won't listen anyway. You insulted me several times. Maybe I can't understand debating. Good Night!

[F1-Insanity]

Evolution is not a fact. No one really has proof that we were all once apes. So, yes, some people believe that we were once monkeys. Some people believe that God created us.

We are actually apes right now. We share a common ancestor with the chimps and gorillas and bonobos. Going further back, apes and monkeys share a common ancestor. Sorry, this is simple, scientific fact. We have the fossils, we have the DNA analysis. It's science. You can test it. How can you test creationism?

Now now, you should know better than to confuse religious folks with facts.

To quite a few of them, religious dogma is surprisingly resistant to scientific research that contradicts some old book.

[Sociobiology]

This my get me banned from the forums for awhile, but at this point I don't give a shit because this debate is futile. I'm not going to agree with you and your not going to agree with me.

If you people want to know so bad about holes in evolution, fucking look it up yourselves. I'm not your bitch and I'm I sick of being told I don't know what I'm fucking talking about, treated like I'm piece of shit creationist and not having any fucking person listen to my views while I listen to yours. I respect yours, but hell no I don't have my veiws respected. Well fuck it then! Go to hell! All of you evolutionists. You know something douches I had respect for evolutionists once, but no fucking more. I've realized how god damn narrow fucking minded evolutionists are. You people are a disgrace. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE BASICALLY SAID YOU DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT MINE. WELL FUCK YOU THEN. I'M DONE.

You can think of me how you wish. I could care less.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.
D P Moynihan

as soon as you try to tell us what is and is not fact you cease to be arguing your opinion, and instead engage in disinformation.
I respect your opinion to the same extent as I respect a mans opinion that his wife is beautiful and his children smart, I do not respect his "opinion" that people get sick because their humors are unbalanced.

[Caecili]

And he concludes by provided absolutely no support for his previous statements and insulting everyone else. Bravo, sir. You officially cannot understand debating.

Your right I didn't. What's the point? You won't listen anyway. You insulted me several times. Maybe I can't understand debating. Good Night!

I haven't insulted you, but you've insulted me. I have read everything you've written, whereas it seems you ignore a lot of the things I say. I really don't see you're problem. Anyways, I'm as done with you as you are with me.

[DaWoad]

Yes, I do. Creationism isn't a perfect belief. Neither is evolution. There are holes in your logic.

name one.
Name one fact that "punches a hole in evolution"

still waiting.

[Lilistrea]

This my get me banned from the forums for awhile, but at this point I don't give a shit because this debate is futile. I'm not going to agree with you and your not going to agree with me.

If you people want to know so bad about holes in evolution, fucking look it up yourselves. I'm not your bitch and I'm I sick of being told I don't know what I'm fucking talking about, treated like I'm piece of shit creationist and not having any fucking person listen to my views while I listen to yours. I respect yours, but hell no I don't have my veiws respected. Well fuck it then! Go to hell! All of you evolutionists. You know something douches I had respect for evolutionists once, but no fucking more. I've realized how god damn narrow fucking minded evolutionists are. You people are a disgrace. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE BASICALLY SAID YOU DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT MINE. WELL FUCK YOU THEN. I'M DONE.

You can think of me how you wish. I could care less.

I think the evolution side can sum up this post with two words: Concession Accepted.

[DaWoad]

This my get me banned from the forums for awhile, but at this point I don't give a shit because this debate is futile. I'm not going to agree with you and your not going to agree with me.

If you people want to know so bad about holes in evolution, fucking look it up yourselves. I'm not your bitch and I'm I sick of being told I don't know what I'm fucking talking about, treated like I'm piece of shit creationist and not having any fucking person listen to my views while I listen to yours. I respect yours, but hell no I don't have my veiws respected. Well fuck it then! Go to hell! All of you evolutionists. You know something douches I had respect for evolutionists once, but no fucking more. I've realized how god damn narrow fucking minded evolutionists are. You people are a disgrace. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE BASICALLY SAID YOU DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT MINE. WELL FUCK YOU THEN. I'M DONE.

You can think of me how you wish. I could care less.

So. You've got no valid argument and have resorted to essentially sticking you fingers in your ears and screaming "it's not true! it's not true! It's not, It's not, It's not"?

EDIT: moreover why should anyone "respect your views" when you have singularly failed to defend them? If you're looking for people to smile politely and say "yes of course you're right, you don't need to prove it" go back to church. A debating forum is not for you if you're not prepared to either a)argue in favour of your viewpoint or b)change it when proven (proven mind you) wrong.

[Scotovy]

Your right I didn't. What's the point? You won't listen anyway. You insulted me several times. Maybe I can't understand debating. Good Night!

I haven't insulted you, but you've insulted me. I have read everything you've written, whereas it seems you ignore a lot of the things I say. I really don't see you're problem. Anyways, I'm as done with you as you are with me.

Maybe you didn't insult me, but others did especially when people say I use incorrect grammar and I can't be taken seriously because of that!

[DaWoad]

I haven't insulted you, but you've insulted me. I have read everything you've written, whereas it seems you ignore a lot of the things I say. I really don't see you're problem. Anyways, I'm as done with you as you are with me.

Maybe you didn't insult me, but others did especially when people say I use incorrect grammar and I can't be taken seriously because of that!

point out where that was said.

[Trotskylvania]

both should be taught in school

Only if creationism is taught as the pre-scientific superstition of a tribe of Bronze age goat bersers that it is.

[F1-Insanity]

No he didn't. A magic unicorn did.

That unicorn is an affront to the one true pasta.

has the unbeliever been smited yet? How dare someone question his noodly appendage?

[Ifreann]

I haven't insulted you, but you've insulted me. I have read everything you've written, whereas it seems you ignore a lot of the things I say. I really don't see you're problem. Anyways, I'm as done with you as you are with me.

Maybe you didn't insult me, but others did especially when people say I use incorrect grammar and I can't be taken seriously because of that!

Weren't you leaving?

[Scotovy]

This my get me banned from the forums for awhile, but at this point I don't give a shit because this debate is futile. I'm not going to agree with you and your not going to agree with me.

If you people want to know so bad about holes in evolution, fucking look it up yourselves. I'm not your bitch and I'm I sick of being told I don't know what I'm fucking talking about, treated like I'm piece of shit creationist and not having any fucking person listen to my views while I listen to yours. I respect yours, but hell no I don't have my veiws respected. Well fuck it then! Go to hell! All of you evolutionists. You know something douches I had respect for evolutionists once, but no fucking more. I've realized how god damn narrow fucking minded evolutionists are. You people are a disgrace. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE BASICALLY SAID YOU DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT MINE. WELL FUCK YOU THEN. I'M DONE.

You can think of me how you wish. I could care less.

I think the evolution side can sum up this post with two words: Concession Accepted.

Wrong I'm still a creationist.

[DaWoad]

I think the evolution side can sum up this post with two words: Concession Accepted.

Wrong I'm still a creationist.

*sigh*. Sticking to your beliefs despite having nothing to support them is not commendable it's silly.

[Lilistrea]

I think the evolution side can sum up this post with two words: Concession Accepted.

Wrong I'm still a creationist.

You don't have to change your opinion to concede your argument.

Edit: Also, what DaWoad said.

[Sociobiology]

I haven't insulted you, but you've insulted me. I have read everything you've written, whereas it seems you ignore a lot of the things I say. I really don't see you're problem. Anyways, I'm as done with you as you are with me.

Maybe you didn't insult me, but others did especially when people say I use incorrect grammar and I can't be taken seriously because of that!

Ignore the grammar trolls, I've never encountered a forum without them. They are like pests around grain silos.

[Scotovy]

Maybe you didn't insult me, but others did especially when people say I use incorrect grammar and I can't be taken seriously because of that!

point out where that was said.

NO! I said along time ago I'm done and I wasn't now I'm really done.

[Sovereign Spirits]

So if you're all here, then who's taking care of your respective countries...? 'scuse me, I've got some plans to make.

[Ragnvaldr]

Schools, at least over here, are working more and more goal orientated. I don't mean to disrespect anyone when I say this, but creationism isn't important.
Biology is based on the rules of evolution, this is why it should be taught.

Unless there is a class like theology that explores religions and/or origin stories and theories of mankind/earth/life creationism is something one should explore for themselves, ask about at their local church, mosque, temple or even just the internet. If you research a religion yourself, and do so propperly, at the very least you will fully understand your religion, unlike the so many muslims that eat pork, christians that dont even know the name Kane.

Point is, to remain goal orientated, evolution is an important part for most studies, and it is a scientific theory. Creationism is of personal importants and has no major influence on any goal orientated classes (minus theology etc, which is barely taught. At least over here), it doesn't belong in a classroom, it belongs in your own living room to be talked about with your family or other members of that religion.