Creationism Vs. Evolution

[Urwumpe]

Yes it is. Your weren't alive then so you don't know for sure how species are related. You guess based on similar fossil evidence?

How do you know that Pontius Pilate existed? You had not been alive then.

Or how do you know that Australia exists - you have maybe not been there yet.

Your argumentation means, many thousand convicted murderers would have to be released because no cop was around watching him when he committed the crime. Do you see the big hole in your logic?

[Neo Art]

So you believe that god exists as a matter of fact then....

I am really not sure why this is so hard.

No, I said before it's faith not fact. Not sure why people don't get that.

faith in what, exactly? What is it that you believe? That god exists?

Then isn't that just a belief that god exists, as a matter of fact?

Again, it's logically IMPOSSIBLE to believe in something, and not believe that this thing is true as a matter of fact. It makes no sense and is ascinine to try and pretend otherwise.

[Scotovy]

I'm not ignoring others thoughts. You all have very good points. Does that mean your ignoring my thoughts on creationism?

Actually I think people here did a pretty good job of directly combating them and demonstrating that your "thoughts on creationism" are wild speculation, utterly unprovable, or thoroughly refuted.

They may be speculation and unprovable, but some not all things in evolution are also unproveable and speculation.

[Neo Art]

Actually I think people here did a pretty good job of directly combating them and demonstrating that your "thoughts on creationism" are wild speculation, utterly unprovable, or thoroughly refuted.

They may be speculation and unprovable, but some not all things in evolution are also unproveable and speculation.

No, evolution is theoretical which is entirely different than purely hypothetical

[Scotovy]

No, I said before it's faith not fact. Not sure why people don't get that.

faith in what, exactly? What is it that you believe? That god exists?

Then isn't that just a belief that god exists, as a matter of fact?

Again, it's logically IMPOSSIBLE to believe in something, and not believe that this thing is true as a matter of fact. It makes no sense and is ascinine to try and pretend otherwise.

So......faith is fact??? I don't think so. That's why it's called faith not fact.

[DaWoad]

faith in what, exactly? What is it that you believe? That god exists?

Then isn't that just a belief that god exists, as a matter of fact?

Again, it's logically IMPOSSIBLE to believe in something, and not believe that this thing is true as a matter of fact. It makes no sense and is ascinine to try and pretend otherwise.

So......faith is fact??? I don't think so. That's why it's called faith not fact.

Faith is the belief that something that is unprovable does, in fact, exist.

see how that works?

[Neo Art]

faith in what, exactly? What is it that you believe? That god exists?

Then isn't that just a belief that god exists, as a matter of fact?

Again, it's logically IMPOSSIBLE to believe in something, and not believe that this thing is true as a matter of fact. It makes no sense and is ascinine to try and pretend otherwise.

So......faith is fact??? I don't think so. That's why it's called faith not fact.

it's like arguing with a pile of wool...

[Mosasauria]

So......faith is fact??? I don't think so. That's why it's called faith not fact.

it's like arguing with a pile of wool...

Agreed. It get's annoying.

[Ifreann]

Both gravity and evolution are facts.

Where does it say gravity is fact? What about relativity? That's Einstein's theory.

Pick something up. Drop it. Congratulations, you have just observed gravity. Unless you're on a lot of drugs, you can accept that gravity is a fact.

[Urwumpe]

They may be speculation and unprovable, but some not all things in evolution are also unproveable and speculation.

Wrong. Then it wouldn't be a theory, and also no hypothesis. I think the correct term would then be "conjecture", which are practically working assumptions, that can't be proved.

A theory is always something that can be tested, which is achieved by its claims being possible to be wrong. Evolution CAN be wrong, which is why it is a scientific theory. But until today, we have only found evidence that proves it. Which makes the chance of evolution being wrong very small.

[ItaliaEmpire]

who ever says creationism should be taught in schools is an idiot..I mean the fact that every individual has their own religous beleifs and counting all of the religons there are it would be extremely difficult near to impossible to teach all of them so as to be fair to everyone. The obviouse solution is to teach evolution which is neutral since it backs no religon...not to mention theres more facts making it true than there is creationism.

[Scotovy]

I'm not ignoring others thoughts. You all have very good points. Does that mean your ignoring my thoughts on creationism?

Until you bring up evidence, yes, I am.

Okay. If that's the case I'm done arguing if everyone ignores my points. What's the point to debating if people ignore me?

[Michael VII]

What say evolution subtly proves creationism? What if they actually are not enemies but both theories on life? In Science, creationism just doesn't work, (and I am a theist, a Christian), because if you don't understand something, the acceptable response may be: 'God doesn't want us to understand yet, so I won't try' or 'God says so'. However, evolution doesn't teach the same moral values that creationism does, like being kind, humble, to have integrity, family values, etc...So in science, forget God for a second, embrace the universe as a test tube for your experiments, but when outside, let your spiritual life come through. (Of course if you are religious.) I believe undoubtedly that creationism is correct, but I also believe evolution must be correct in order for science to progress. Like all 'controversial' theories in physics, they have to be there to progress, so let it be.

[Neo Art]

Until you bring up evidence, yes, I am.

Okay. If that's the case I'm done arguing if everyone ignores my points. What's the point to debating if people ignore me?

In the vein hope that perhaps some of what we say might actually stick.

[Sociobiology]

most theories also have an underlying fact,

that populations of animals change over time is the fact of evolution their is not theory of evolution there is however a theory of natural selection which is the mechanism that causes evolution to occur.

just as general relativity is the mechanism by which the fact of two masses being attracted to each other by the inverse square of the distance between them.

scientific facts are never more than observations, only theories describe mechanisms or functions.

[Mosasauria]

What say evolution subtly proves creationism? What if they actually are not enemies but both theories on life? In Science, creationism just doesn't work, (and I am a theist, a Christian), because if you don't understand something, the acceptable response may be: 'God doesn't want us to understand yet, so I won't try' or 'God says so'. However, evolution doesn't teach the same moral values that creationism does, like being kind, humble, to have integrity, family values, etc...So in science, forget God for a second, embrace the universe as a test tube for your experiments, but when outside, let your spiritual life come through. (Of course if you are religious.) I believe undoubtedly that creationism is correct, but I also believe evolution must be correct in order for science to progress. Like all 'controversial' theories in physics, they have to be there to progress, so let it be.

Not what we're discussing, and I would like to point out that you have just kicked the hornet's nest. You might want to think of a few valid arguments and take cover.

[Neo Art]

What say evolution subtly proves creationism? What if they actually are not enemies but both theories on life? In Science, creationism just doesn't work, (and I am a theist, a Christian), because if you don't understand something, the acceptable response may be: 'God doesn't want us to understand yet, so I won't try' or 'God says so'. However, evolution doesn't teach the same moral values that creationism does, like being kind, humble, to have integrity, family values, etc...So in science, forget God for a second, embrace the universe as a test tube for your experiments, but when outside, let your spiritual life come through. (Of course if you are religious.) I believe undoubtedly that creationism is correct, but I also believe evolution must be correct in order for science to progress. Like all 'controversial' theories in physics, they have to be there to progress, so let it be.

how can both creationism and evolution be correct when they are fundamentally at odds with each other?

[Scotovy]

Yes it is. Your weren't alive then so you don't know for sure how species are related. You guess based on similar fossil evidence?

How do you know that Pontius Pilate existed? You had not been alive then.

Or how do you know that Australia exists - you have maybe not been there yet.

Your argumentation means, many thousand convicted murderers would have to be released because no cop was around watching him when he committed the crime. Do you see the big hole in your logic?

Yes, I do. Creationism isn't a perfect belief. Neither is evolution. There are holes in your logic.

[DaWoad]

How do you know that Pontius Pilate existed? You had not been alive then.

Or how do you know that Australia exists - you have maybe not been there yet.

Your argumentation means, many thousand convicted murderers would have to be released because no cop was around watching him when he committed the crime. Do you see the big hole in your logic?

Yes, I do. Creationism isn't a perfect belief. Neither is evolution. There are holes in your logic.

name one.
Name one fact that "punches a hole in evolution"

[Urwumpe]

Yes, I do. Creationism isn't a perfect belief. Neither is evolution. There are holes in your logic.

Prove it.

I can learn by being shown scientifically to be wrong. Can you do the same by your own circular logic?

[Caecili]

What say evolution subtly proves creationism? What if they actually are not enemies but both theories on life? In Science, creationism just doesn't work, (and I am a theist, a Christian), because if you don't understand something, the acceptable response may be: 'God doesn't want us to understand yet, so I won't try' or 'God says so'. However, evolution doesn't teach the same moral values that creationism does, like being kind, humble, to have integrity, family values, etc...So in science, forget God for a second, embrace the universe as a test tube for your experiments, but when outside, let your spiritual life come through. (Of course if you are religious.) I believe undoubtedly that creationism is correct, but I also believe evolution must be correct in order for science to progress. Like all 'controversial' theories in physics, they have to be there to progress, so let it be.

how can both creationism and evolution be correct when they are fundamentally at odds with each other?

Indeed they are, especially biblical creationism.

[Scotovy]

I'm not ignoring others thoughts. You all have very good points. Does that mean your ignoring my thoughts on creationism?

What are your thoughts on creationism? I don't think you've mentioned them.

My thoughts? Okay. God created the world and life. Simple as that. Evolution occurred and still is.

[Sociobiology]

What say evolution subtly proves creationism? What if they actually are not enemies but both theories on life? In Science, creationism just doesn't work, (and I am a theist, a Christian), because if you don't understand something, the acceptable response may be: 'God doesn't want us to understand yet, so I won't try' or 'God says so'. However, evolution doesn't teach the same moral values that creationism does, like being kind, humble, to have integrity, family values, etc...So in science, forget God for a second, embrace the universe as a test tube for your experiments, but when outside, let your spiritual life come through. (Of course if you are religious.) I believe undoubtedly that creationism is correct, but I also believe evolution must be correct in order for science to progress. Like all 'controversial' theories in physics, they have to be there to progress, so let it be.

actually all those moral values are predicted by evolution, I suggest the books the science of good and evil and Freedom Evolves

[Neo Art]

What are your thoughts on creationism? I don't think you've mentioned them.

My thoughts? Okay. God created the world and life.

No he didn't. A magic unicorn did.

[Sociobiology]

They may be speculation and unprovable, but some not all things in evolution are also unproveable and speculation.

Wrong. Then it wouldn't be a theory, and also no hypothesis. I think the correct term would then be "conjecture", which are practically working assumptions, that can't be proved.

A theory is always something that can be tested, which is achieved by its claims being possible to be wrong. Evolution CAN be wrong, which is why it is a scientific theory. But until today, we have only found evidence that proves it. Which makes the chance of evolution being wrong very small.

Science shows us that absolute certainty is impossible, however by all measures of accuracy, natural selection is among the most well supported principle in all of science.
It is observable, measurable, predictable and repeatable.