Creationism Vs. Evolution

[Ifreann]

Woooow its fact that i came from a monkey!?!! I cant believe they found out how to prove that!! (please note sarcasm)

You obviously know very very little about what evolution actually is.

[Sociobiology]

I hate this picture, raptors have feathers, damn it.

But not Troodon or Compsognathus.

they had fur-like protofeathers.

[Mosasauria]

But not Troodon or Compsognathus.

they had fur-like protofeathers.

Yay! Syanpsid throwbacks!

[Scotovy]

Come on dude! Don't say that about people. Evolutionists aren't unique either in their arguments then. And don't label me as a creationist. I tell you a problem with evolution and you don't accept it. Who is ignoring facts?

1. Why not?
2. Really? Look at my arguments. Then compare them to Cean's. Then everyone else.
3.I'm sorry, but this is where I have to laugh. You didn't state a problem; you stated a common misconception that I and several others corrected you on. I'm not ignoring facts. You are.

Fair enough, but don't laugh at me. That's rude.

What about proving evolution existed 1 million years ago. We only have the fossil record for that which is sketchy.

[Urwumpe]

Doesn't disprove God then.

Of course not. Why should it?

First of all - you would have to prove that God exists, not the other way around. Science doesn't like negative proofs, such a thing only works in mathematics.

And proving that God exists is already in mathematical logic, something very futile... Gödels theorem of incompleteness would apply there perfectly.

Also, how would you explain a Shinto priest what your God is? He would be very confused, because he can't really understand, which god or minor deity you are now talking about.

[Mosasauria]

1. Why not?
2. Really? Look at my arguments. Then compare them to Cean's. Then everyone else.
3.I'm sorry, but this is where I have to laugh. You didn't state a problem; you stated a common misconception that I and several others corrected you on. I'm not ignoring facts. You are.

Fair enough, but don't laugh at me. That's rude.

What about proving evolution existed 1 million years ago. We only have the fossil record for that which is sketchy.

I didn't laugh at you. I laughed at your argument.

And just to avoid what I think is going to be brought up here, what kinds of life existed 1 million years ago?

[Sociobiology]

Your calling it fact. Are you a scientist?

I am (A paleontologist with degrees in biology and geology with a minor in statistics), of course thats an argument from authority, but then you asked.
a quick glance at the most basic biology literature can confirm all those.

EDIT:
his points 2 and 3 are incorrect food is rarely stable and populations size change), but the fact that food is a limiting resource, and populations do have a maximum size they can reach.
of course evolution just requires that some resources are limited, that organisms vary, and that some of those variations are heritable. (some would add a fourth {some organisms fail to reproduce})

just thought scot might once to see this I forgot to click the submit button

[Scotovy]

In that case what disproves God then?

Nothing; but it shows he is irrelevant.

Nothing? Why are we having a debate about His existence then?

Irrelevant? How so?

Typical of evolutionists to dodge the what disproves God question.

[Scotovy]

Fair enough, but don't laugh at me. That's rude.

What about proving evolution existed 1 million years ago. We only have the fossil record for that which is sketchy.

I didn't laugh at you. I laughed at your argument.

And just to avoid what I think is going to be brought up here, what kinds of life existed 1 million years ago?

What kind of question is that?

[Mosasauria]

Your calling it fact. Are you a scientist?

I am (A paleontologist with degrees in marine biology and geology with a minor in statistics), of course thats an argument from authority, but then you asked.
a quick glance at the most basic biology literature can confirm all those.

Dammit! You're pretty much what I want to be!

[Mosasauria]

I didn't laugh at you. I laughed at your argument.

And just to avoid what I think is going to be brought up here, what kinds of life existed 1 million years ago?

What kind of question is that?

Just to make sure you have a basic understanding of what you asked me.
Go ahead. Answer my question, and I'll answer yours.

[Ifreann]

Nothing; but it shows he is irrelevant.

Nothing? Why are we having a debate about His existence then?

Irrelevant? How so?

Typical of evolutionists to dodge the what disproves God question.

Whether god exists or not has nothing to do with evolution.

[Mosasauria]

Nothing? Why are we having a debate about His existence then?

Irrelevant? How so?

Typical of evolutionists to dodge the what disproves God question.

Whether god exists or not has nothing to do with evolution.

Precisely.

[Scotovy]

Your calling it fact. Are you a scientist?

I am (A paleontologist with degrees in biology and geology with a minor in statistics), of course thats an argument from authority, but then you asked.
a quick glance at the most basic biology literature can confirm all those.

Oh my bad. I know how evolution works. I'm into anthropology. It's just not fact. Gravity isn't fact. Probably is, but it's still theory.

[Caecili]

I am (A paleontologist with degrees in biology and geology with a minor in statistics), of course thats an argument from authority, but then you asked.
a quick glance at the most basic biology literature can confirm all those.

Oh my bad. I know how evolution works. I'm into anthropology. It's just not fact. Gravity isn't fact. Probably is, but it's still theory.

How many times do we have to tell you that evolution is defined as fact? It's like you don't read.

[Sociobiology]

1. Why not?
2. Really? Look at my arguments. Then compare them to Cean's. Then everyone else.
3.I'm sorry, but this is where I have to laugh. You didn't state a problem; you stated a common misconception that I and several others corrected you on. I'm not ignoring facts. You are.

Fair enough, but don't laugh at me. That's rude.

What about proving evolution existed 1 million years ago. We only have the fossil record for that which is sketchy.

hundreds of thousands of fossils, (billions if you include invertebrates) is sketchy?
we also have biochemistry, developmental biology, and genetics to confirm past evolution.

Natural selection is a basic principle that must occur if the basic qualifiers(reproduction with heredity, limited resources, and heritable variation) are met.

[Mosasauria]

I am (A paleontologist with degrees in biology and geology with a minor in statistics), of course thats an argument from authority, but then you asked.
a quick glance at the most basic biology literature can confirm all those.

Oh my bad. I know how evolution works. I'm into anthropology. It's just not fact. Gravity isn't fact. Probably is, but it's still theory.

Evolution is a fact.
The Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection is what you are confusing it with. While yes, this isn't fact, it's about as close as anything can get to fact.

[Ifreann]

I am (A paleontologist with degrees in biology and geology with a minor in statistics), of course thats an argument from authority, but then you asked.
a quick glance at the most basic biology literature can confirm all those.

Oh my bad. I know how evolution works. I'm into anthropology. It's just not fact. Gravity isn't fact. Probably is, but it's still theory.

Both gravity and evolution are facts.

[Scotovy]

Whether god exists or not has nothing to do with evolution.

Precisely.

Then what's the debate all about?

[Mosasauria]

Precisely.

Then what's the debate all about?

Evolution...

[Ceannairceach]

Precisely.

Then what's the debate all about?

The idea that god or something else created everything in its current state, or if things evolved over time.

[Scotovy]

Oh my bad. I know how evolution works. I'm into anthropology. It's just not fact. Gravity isn't fact. Probably is, but it's still theory.

Both gravity and evolution are facts.

Where does it say gravity is fact? What about relativity? That's Einstein's theory.

[Urwumpe]

What about proving evolution existed 1 million years ago. We only have the fossil record for that which is sketchy.

Correction. The oldest fossils are 3.4 billion years old. Also we can at least tell that they are at least 2.7 billion years old and maximal 3.6 billion years old. Radioactive dating is especially accurate for pretty old layers of rock, because we have three isotopes that interact for measuring the age - using carbon for radioactive dating is just one method and only used for very young objects. (Also, you need a lot of calibration data about the object to use carbon dating accurately, since the air CO2 contents and thus the isotope abundance, changed a lot over time. But there are literally at least one dating method per radioactive isotope)

Also what do you mean with "Sketchy?" that there could be possibly thousands of species that we don't know of, because they have not been so stupid to die in places where they would leave fossils. Point taken. But it doesn't disprove that the known fossils existed, or invalidates the time which is calculated from chemical analysis for them.

Also, if you want to argue with an geologist, how old a layer of rock is, and maybe claim it all must be less than 6000 years old, be prepared for some strong words about strata. Geology is only rarely more complicated as counting the rings on a tree. In some places we even have up to one distinct layer in sedimentary rock per 11-15 years (solar cycle!). Which makes it possible to reconstruct really epics of species appearing and disappearing again, and even draw conclusions which events often changed the world in which these species lived.

[Urwumpe]

Where does it say gravity is fact? What about relativity? That's Einstein's theory.

Einstein didn't disprove gravity, he just explained better how it works.

I doubt you want to claim, that you could float in the air, if you just stop believing in gravity. Of course there will always be a gravity-like force, even if you refuse to call it gravity.

[Scotovy]

Then what's the debate all about?

Evolution...

Really?

I never said I don't believe in evolution. I believe in it. It's just not fact.